People Unclear on the Concept

[semillama]

Another gem from Smothering Dot Com:

http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=1098590

"DS has been sick alot lately.

I really am at a loss. He seems to have constant respiratory infections. One after the other. He started having them when he went to daycare at 3 months old. I know going to daycare he will bring more stuff home, but this is ridiculous. He is 14 months old and has been sick maybe 6 times...ive lost count, maybe more. So far I have been able to treat them naturally. (we see an ND). I get various remedies and drops and such and he gets better, but it takes a long time and he seems to pick up something again in a few weeks.

Most recently he got sick about 1 month ago. It was by far the worse he has been and his junky cough was so bad I was very concerned about pneumonia setting in, he also had his first double ear infection...took him to the ND and was given some stuff. His chest/cough got better, but his ears stayed red. They didn't seem to bother him though and I know 88% of ear infections in children are viral anyway and go away without treatment. Anyway he got sick again with the same thing 2 weeks later. I tried giving him the same stuff the ND gave me the first time, but he didn't improve after 1 week so I took him back to see the ND and the ND said antibiotics!!

He says he rarely suggests them, but DS has lots of fluid in his lungs and he was concerned enough about pneumonia that he thought they were necessary. I HATE ANTIBIOTICS!!! I feel like eveytime I give him a dose I am poisoning him and setting him up for future problems. I feel like a failure

I have doubled his dose of probiotics and just pray that this will resolve and won't come back. I feel his issues are allergy related as does the ND and once he is better will persue allergy testing with the ND (not doing the mainstream medical testing as I think it is unreliable and I dont want to deal with more MD's!

I really believed that since he was unvaccinated he wouldn't have these problems. He would be healthy and never get more than a sniffle...like all the stories your hear about how healthy unvaxed children are. Why is my baby sick so much?? 'm scared giving him antibiotics is not the right desicion but I feel like I have to trust somebody and if the ND feels they are needed I guess I have to trust him.

Anybody have unvaxed kids who seem to be sick alot? "

So, apparently it's better to take PROBIOTICS because they're, like, "PRO" and not "ANTI"! Ironically, this mom who is so concerned about setting up her kid for future problems is doing just that by being medically negligent, and is too deep in her own woo to see that.

[trotsky]

1. "I really believed that since he was unvaccinated he wouldn't have these problems."

And the anti-vax disinformation campaign continues. Cheese and rice.

Wait until her precious gets measles, mumps, polio, HiB, or any other untold number of diseases. She hasn't even seen true sickness yet.

Ah, just give him more yogurt and pray. That'll work. :eyes:

[woo me with science]

2. This is so sad I don't know what to say. nt

[Evoman]

3. I feel bad for that poor baby. Geez, what a fucking idiot.

[Silent3]

4. The problem is the kid doesn't believe in natural medicine.

Since, as we all know, health is really all about what you believe and truly wanting to get better. The kid must not want to get better. He must like the extra attention being sick gets him or something like that.

:sarcasm:

When it comes down to this "it's all about what you believe/want" stuff, I haven't figured out how that works yet with parents and small children. When does the magic moment occur where the power of the child's thoughts take over from the power of the parents' thoughts?

[TZ]

5. Whats the harm?

We all know these beliefs are harmless..:sarcasm: seriously that level of stupidity is dangerous.

[realisticphish]

6. this made me ill

i can't imagine being that ignorant.

[lizerdbits]

7. Just wow.

I don't even know what else to say, at least in public.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

8. This is really, really fucking sad

Why is it in any way okay for this woman to abuse her child this way?

This level of ignorance makes me want to punch myself in the face.

[charlie]

9. Yikes

The thread is full of them. One lady let her kid's ear infection progress until they were draining pus from his eyes and his eardrums burst before she relented. She chides herself for "not knowing any better" because she's sure it would've just run its course anyway. Another thinks her children get ill because she was vaccinated, ie, vax damage is intergenerational. She's also stuffing her kid with kimchi and says he "has gut issues."

It's funny they don't notice how fashionable their nostrums are. The thread is all probiotics, vitamin D, and zinc, no matter what ails you. 5 years ago it would've been different. 5 years from now, it'll be different still. And they'll still be just as certain.

[trotsky]

10. ...

The thread is all probiotics, vitamin D, and zinc, no matter what ails you. 5 years ago it would've been different. 5 years from now, it'll be different still. And they'll still be just as certain.

Ain't that the damn truth.

[charlie]

11. It's wild to see them flailing

Half of them are bewildered their vax virgins don't have superimmunity. They're on the internet for cripes sakes, they can look up life before vaccines as easily as looking up echinacea.

Some of them extol branded "homeopathic" preventatives (undiluted solutions, not real homeopathy). I never see any of the mistrust reserved for Big Pharma extended to the Small Pharma that make their alt remedies. I wonder how many of them know that the FDA is currently leaning on Zicam to pull "homeopathic" zinc nasal gels because they can permanently destroy your sense of smell.

[NMMNG]

15. "They're on the internet for cripes sakes, they can look up life before vaccines ..."

But that stuff is all misinformation perpetrated by Big Pharma to sell vaccines and drugs. It's much like those fossil thingies were put in the ground by Satan to fool believers. :sarcasm:

[semillama]

12. And one thing to keep firmly in mind about this site

is that it is hypermoderated. it's a science-free, fact-free zone. Any post in support of vaccination gets pulled. Any post urging other mothers to get their kids vaccinated gets pulled. I think that the website is complicit in the illnesses their member's children acquire because they have the opportunity to present truthful information, but they deliberately quash all dissent from the woo party line.

[trotsky]

13. OK, so I went wandering around.

I regret it already. Basically it's what the Health Dungeon here would be come if the evidence-based posts were censored. All these mothers with completely unvaccinated children, having serious health problems (a 102+ fever for THREE DAYS?!?), and steadfastly refusing to think anything could be seriously wrong. Just give them some more Vitamin D. You bet your ass the doc will want to do a spinal tap on an unvaccinated child who's been running a fever for 3 days. It could very likely be meningitis, which if left untreated will paralyze, blind, mentally handicap or just outright kill your child. Oops, if I had posted that there, it would have been deleted.

The stupid, it REALLY burns there. And innocent children are suffering and dying because of it.

[realisticphish]

14. what are a few children's lives

in exchange for RESISTING BIG PHARMA

[charlie]

16. If Mothering had a computer forum

A guy notices part of an email from his credit card issuer is garbled. An encrypted email. He asks in the forum, has this ever happened to you? YES, it's happened to us! Do you ever use encryption? Y-e-s-s-s... wait! Something's fishy here, we'll call it Cryptographic Bitrot. Down with Cryptographic Bitrot!

But, what to do? We're not programmers. A gal says, I've always used ROT13. Never rotted my bits.

YES! It's old, natural. None of that baroque weirdness Big Tech foists on us, but understandable by humans the way God intended. ROT13, not PGP!

A new member, signed up 16 minutes ago, says, I'm glad I found you all. I have a new, inexpensive product. My crew has discovered a way to apply ancient principles of Pig Latin to data. Sign up now and get a discount when it ships.

YAY for ancient principles! We're taking our data back! Revolution!

News of an upcoming Mothering article with exciting new technology floats into the forum -- Homeopathic Cryptology. It's encrypted files are indistinguishable from the originals. Bitrot banished, with prejudice!

SWOOOOON! We did it. We have the power! We have the power!

Hey, I just got a call from my credit card company, something about a $1000 charge to pornocopia.com. This ever happen to you? YES, we got that call too....

[skepticscott]

17. As sad as this is

especially for the child, there is an underlying message that shouldn't be missed. Practitioners of mainstream medicine (MDs), and the organizations that represent them, have perhaps not done as good as job as they should in dispelling the perception (and in some cases, combatting the reality) that mainstream medicine has become cold, impersonal, unfeeling and unsympathetic in the eyes of many patients, even some who do not necessarily resort to chiropractic, naturopathy, homeopathy, osteopathy and other non-traditional forms of treatment. Our mainstream medical schools turn out too many doctors who are forced to work on an assembly line and become overly reliant on lab tests. Cultivating a personal relationship and mutual trust with their patients is no longer desirable or even possible in many cases.

Sure, there will always be some people who are irresistibly attracted to woo, but just sayin'...

[charlie]

18. Costly, too

I've always wondered how often the expense of medical care drives people to alt remedies. If the the cost of conventional treatment is impossible or onerous, you're at least not left feeling entirely helpless when you're your own researcher/practitioner.

[uppityperson]

19. But why on earth would an unvaccinated child EVER get sick?

probiotics are better than antibiotics for sure! I mean, so what if your baby has fluid in his lungs? He never got vaccinated so he should be immune to everything!?!?!

Poor baby. I am shaking my head over the pro vs anti-biotic thing, but thank you for bringing that to my attention since I will now be more watchful for this way of thinking.

[Deep13]

20. What's an "ND?"

I'm glad she's going right for the probiotics and is not screwing around with amatuer biotics. So, the kid has a bacterial infection and she is dealing with it by introducting more bacteria.

Antibiotics are not poison. They are not like chemotherapy or antiseptics which kill everything, harmful or normal. Antibiotics activate a switch (so to speak) that causes the bacteria to stop eating. It ONLY works on bacteria. That's why different bacteria are killed by different antibiotics. It is also why they are called "magic bullets." They attack what's wrong while ignoring what's right.

Modern medicine prevents large rates of infant mortality. Removing modern medicine puts a child right back in the position he or she would have been in without modern medicine. Relying on nature (whatever that means) means children die.

[Silent3]

21. "Naturopathic Doctor" I believe.

I was wondering about that too, and found the above at acronymfinder.com.

[moggie]

22. "Non-Doctor" would be more accurate n/t

[Deep13]

23. There's a doctoral degree in "naturopathy?"

WTF is naturopahty anyway? Huh? Just make shit up? Okay, gotcha.