Carnivale' Lincoln Highway.....Episode 21

[liberalnurse]

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http://www.darnellworks.com/a52/media/hboc-420.mov



Ben and Jones learn that justice is "for the birds"; Ruthie's visitor leaves lipstick traces; Lila tries to reach Lodz; Sofie finds salvation in her work; Iris takes Eleanor on a picnic; Balthus misses a big chance; Stroud keeps the morphine flowing; and when chaos breaks out during a public speech, Justin shocks the crowd with forgiveness. Don't miss the all new episode, "Lincoln Highway", Sunday, March 6th at it's new time 10PM ET.


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[trotsky]

1. Arrrgh, I can't believe I have to wait another HOUR.

Stupid Deadwood!

[NashVegas]

2. "Sophie is the omega"

Omega = last.

Last what?

[Kire]

4. I thought it meant "the end".

The end of everything, I suppose.

[NashVegas]

7. More or Less

..

[Mabus]

29. it said "Sofie is in the Omega"

Ruthie...seeing the message written on her mirror: "Sofie is in the Omega," it says. The note is signed "L." http://www.hbo.com/carnivale/episode/season2/episode21.shtml

I think Omega means Ben's destination, Midtern.

[lazarus]

31. that's different

I'm going to have to watch it again, to check that.

[Mabus]

33. I also thought it originally said

that Sophie is the Omega not is in the Omega. I got the latter off the hbo website and yes it does change the meaning!

[Mabus]

38. Just watched the rerun, there is no "in"

It just said "Sophie is the Omega."

:argh: Fricking HBO synopsis.

[lazarus]

39. Yup

I recorded it, synopsis was wrong.

Oh, well.

[robbedvoter]

3. "You are a Democrat now" - to a Justin follower + Lincoln Hway

Is this becoming a BFEE subliminable propaganda?

[Kire]

5. candidate decrying the "red new deal"

and also against fascism, so I don't think they were completely taking sides

please continue the discussion in this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3230847

[trotsky]

6. Keep in mind, the Democratic party was about to rip apart.

When Truman ordered the desegregation of the army, the Dixiecrats finally had enough. The Democrats weren't always the progressive liberal party.

[liberalnurse]

9. Yes, we need to review our history.......

and remind ourselves of the polar shift our Party took at this time; Dixiecrats are the Red Team of today.

[NashVegas]

8. I Wonder What Iris's Game Is?

From a previous show, we saw Justin's vision of Iris betraying him.

And now there was her little confession to Norman, just after having killed Eleanor for reaching the same conclusion as Norman.

Is she intent on uncloaking Justin because he her to believe she'd be sacrificed? Or is she a truly devout woman who had no idea what she was awakening in him when she torched the orphanage? Or, did she know, and had a long-range plan anyway?

[trotsky]

10. That confused me too.

Is it a game with Norman? Another way to silence him? But yes, Justin's vision of her (*ouch*). That's something to keep in mind.

We could find out that Sofie is the partner in crime with Justin, and Iris helps Ben.

What a horrible scene with Jonesy. But how cool was it when even his bum leg got healed!

[Kire]

28. his bum leg got healed?

I was wondering why he tore his pant leg open. I guess I just didn't make the connection. That is very cool. And, a well done, if gruesome and horrible, scene of tar and feathering.

[soleft]

11. So was anyone freaking out and Jones got tarred and feathered

and cheering when he realized his knee was healed.

[OKNancy]

12. When they were mixing the tar

I switched channels for about two minutes. Came back to another scene, and by the looks of him later, I'm glad I did.

I figured the knee would be healed in the process. That was a good scene. I thought right then..."Ben has mad an ally and friend for life." From the looks of the previews, I think that is true.

[trotsky]

13. Be very glad.

It was a horrible scene. DeKay did an awesome bit of acting, though. As far as I'm concerned, everyone in this show should get some kind of award. I don't know that I've ever seen such great acting on TV before.

[lazarus]

14. It was amazing

and finally brought home to me the true horror of being tarred & feathered. It really was torture.

[soleft]

15. When they put it in his mouth, I was like, that's the end of Jonesy

Til I remembered about Ben. I wanted to see the vultures drop from the sky tho.

[lazarus]

16. Was anyone else convinced

absolutely convinced, that Libby was going to be dead when they got to the truck?

[soleft]

17. I was afraid of that, it held back my joy a little at Jonesy's celebration

But part of me felt like, they wouldn't take us so low with Jonesy's torture, then takes us so high with the healing, only to drive us off a clift with something bad happening to Libby.

Besides, I think she's going to have a rough time when she gets back to camp, unable to explain what happened.

[NashVegas]

19. She Won't Have to Explain What No One Knows

That is, the tar & feather incident. They can say the townsfolk brought them out into the middle of nowhere. Although, people may wonder why she's all sunburned & Jonesy isn't.

And the knee.

I don't know what they'll say, but if nothing else, I think Nancy's right: Ben has a new disciple.

[soleft]

20. Are we allowed to discuss what they showed in coming attractions

Or would that be considered a spoiler?

[NashVegas]

21. It's Fine By Me

this is a test

Do spoilers like this if you aren't sure

there's text between these two sentences, in white. highlight and read. theoretically we could do spoilers that way and *no one* could complain.

[soleft]

24. that is so cool, how did you do that?

[NashVegas]

25. html

[font color="white"]spoiler text[/font]

there might be a way to do black text in black highlight, but
I don't know the code for it with this software. Elad may know
better.

[lazarus]

22. I'd say it's okay

And we do see Samson telling Libby not to tell anybody what she saw.

So, Ben's up to 4 disciples now: 1. Gabriel, 2. Samson, 3/4. Jonesy/Libby.

Bro. Justin's up to 17,000, or thereabouts. Oy, vey.

[Mabus]

30. Don't forget Ruthie & Apollonia

Ruthie's shown a lot of loyalty to Ben (even though he rejects her) after he saved Gabe's life. She also credits Ben with saving her life after she was bit by the snake.

Apollonia is still "in play" so to speak but because she's dead she's probably more of a "guide" like Management than a disciple. She's appeared to Sophie and Apollonia was always interested in Ben while she was alive, I don't think she's changed since then.

I could almost add Lodz to Ben's list because he's been trying to give clues about what's going on. I don't see his possessing Ruthie to be something destructive or evil. He hasn't tried to kill her or put her into harm's way, rather he has been trying to communicate information that might actually be useful.

There's also a big difference between Ben's followers and Justin's followers although both sets of followers are the same type - society's rejects. Ben inspires loyalty and devotion from people because of what he does. Justin has loyalty and devotion from people (with the exception of Iris) because of what he says.

[lazarus]

32. Hmm

I doubt Lodz is on Ben's side. I dunno, though, could be.

Sophie, I'm not sure of. Just not sure where she's headed.

Here's a thought: If Scudder's her father, then the baby is the result of incest. Ick. If Justin's her father, then the baby is the bringing together of the two houses.

[Mabus]

34. I'm thinking back to the time Ben & Lodz

spent together in the dust storm. Lodz was trying to be Ben's friend and mentor by talking to Ben about how he could help Ben understand his powers. Yes, it was also an attempt by Lodz to get back in good with Management. My conclusion is that Lodz had a lot more to gain from being good to Ben rather than going against him, especially if he wanted to curry favor with Management. Granted Lodz has no love for Scudder but at least with Ben alive & well Lodz had a better chance at getting at Scudder.

Sophie hasn't come to grips with the fact that it was her and not her mom Apollonia that was reading the cards. With that said, I agree with your assessment that the baby will bring together the two houses because I've thought that Sophie's dad was Management because of Apollonia was raped by someone with the Tree tatoo. Management had one. This, of course, would mean that Sophie is related to Iris and Justin as their half-sister and if she is carrying Ben's child then it would bring the two houses together.

[Mabus]

35. Did you see next week's synopsis on hbo?

http://www.hbo.com/carnivale/ reprinted below, lazarus take note of the highlighted snippet, it may fit my theory about Sophie's parentage.





Spoiler?
it is on the hbo website so if you don't want to know the teaser for Sunday, don't read.












Libby struggles to stick to her alibi, buckling under the weight of Rita Sue's superiority; Jones goes for a ride with Ben; Ruthie delivers a nocturnal message to Lila; Talbot-Smith intercepts a near disaster for Justin and reneges on a deal with Scudder; Iris discovers a relative; Stroud increases security with his "Knights of Jericho," and Justin does some backseat driving. Don't miss the all new episode "Cheyenne, WY", Sunday, March 13th at 10PM ET.

[lazarus]

37. Interesting

Stroud's interesting, as well.

I'm really hoping the "Michael vs Gabriel" confrontation comes to pass.

[lazarus]

36. management didn't have a tree tattoo

that's a CoD tattoo, Scudder's got one, iirc.

[trotsky]

18. Can't say that it didn't cross my mind.

Although with the death of Management, Ben seems to have greater control and understanding of his powers, so I was pretty sure she'd be OK.

[liberalnurse]

23. Yea, I'm so use to Ben

discounting his powers I tend to forget he can do all these things. I also am NOT counting out Scudder. I think he is being patient, leading Ben to the Preacher via Stroud and has elected to be passive. I think when they are all together, that he will unload!

[lazarus]

27. OTOH

Remember that Scudder has "taken himself out" of the game, so his power may be diminished.

Although I am curious; the reputation of Scudder doesn't match very well with the reality of Scudder at all, does it? Scudder may well be waiting for something.

[NashVegas]

26. "Tarred and Feathered" - any B.A.D. Fans Here?

I kept hearing their song "The Medicine Show" in my head during that scene.