OT (kind of) - Karma IS a bitch

[Inuca]

or what mis-speaking can do to your political ambitions.

This being said, I really don't know what ot make of this... my instinct is to think that it does not mean much, unless you put her on some psychoanalyst's coach, I do not know... But I was struck by the karmic justice of the episode.

[MH1]

1. She didn't just leave out a word of an otherwise acceptable joke.

She planned to mention RFK's assassination.

Apparently this is not the first time she's done it, either - it's the third; the first was in March.

I don't think she necessarily meant anything like some people are saying - but if she just thought it was a valid argument to raise, that is bad enough.

Also, there was a diary at dailykos pointing out that her lead-in - about Bill still fighting the nomination in June 1992 - was also false, as Tsongas dropped out in March.

[Inuca]

2. Yes, I learned more

after I posted. I still CANNOT understand how she can say something like this on purpose, I just can't. I am not much of an admirer, but stupid she most definitely is not. Then WHY? It does not make sense...

[sandnsea]

3. And CA was the 13th primary in 1968

So there was no comparison with that one either. She's been using the June argument periodically. Others must have finally heard the assassination part of her "anything can happen" excuse for staying in until June.

[beachmom]

4. I'll never forget that week of Halloween in 2006, and what she did:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

And you know what? There was little to no outrage by Democrats as to what she said back then. Everyone noted it, and then didn't mention it again ... until 2008, when she did it to Obama. I also think that Hillary is STILL being treated better, given the horrible thing she said, than Kerry was during the botched joke. People bend over backwards for her to give her the benefit of the doubt, even though she has uttered this at least 3 times before. I thought it was not cool the first time I heard about her saying it, but I guess she parsed it better previously. It is funny how Taylor Marsh is defending her gal as just being tired, and made a mistake. Funny, she made no such excuses for Kerry, and seeing his stock falling promptly forgot about him until she wrote her vile posts about him when he endorsed Hillary. I guess she shall remain a Hil shill to the last gasp, as she has nowhere else to go at this point.

In general, I do think there is a silliness to "gotcha politics"; it seems to me politicians should just apologize immediately in a blatant way, and then it will go away more quickly. Hillary still hasn't apologized to anyone, and has not even expressed "regret" to the Obamas. You guys read my post about Georgia -- it is not people's imagination that there are crazy people in this country who may try crazy things. This one hurt, and I read the Obama campaign was furious with what she said, despite their outward persona of taking it in stride.

At this point, it would indeed be karma that she is finally kicked off stage for a verbal gaffe just the way it was with Kerry (I agree with everyone that there were many factors for him deciding not to run for POTUS, but the botched joke made the decision a lot clearer and easier to make) for which she was an eager participant. Glad to hear I am not the only one thinking this.

[Inuca]

7. I'll never forget (nor forgive) that

little sentence either. In the grander order of things it may not seem like much, but it was such a window into the inner workings of a soul, and what you could see when peering through that window was ugly. I still don't know whether it was a "verbal gaffe" or what the hell it was, in the best of best cases an incredible tin ear given that it is at least the 4th time that she said something like this. Maybe, once again, a (repeated) glimpse into something better left hidden.

[JI7]

10. it's an example of the power the Clintons have in the party

[Inuca]

12. I hope that HAD

is a better word.

[JI7]

5. i really really hope she did not imply what it seems to imply with that

it was stupid. and even giving her the benefit, wouldn't one easily see how it could be taken to be something very negative.

[JI7]

6. someone compares it to the botched joke

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6105184

[Inuca]

8. Good!

Good morning! Why aren't we in bed :-)?

[JI7]

9. it's the weekend

6 am here and still awake.

[Inuca]

11. You mean you did not go to sleep?

Oh, the good old days when I was often going to sleep when hearing the birds outside...

[JI7]

13. nope, i will probably go to sleep in a few minutes

i know it will hurt me during the weekdays when i will have to get up earlier. but i'm able to concentrate better late at night and always feel tired around afternoon.

[beachmom]

14. I've calmed down a bit, and here are my conclusions:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6110827

I no longer think Hillary's "pile on" in '06 is relevant. This is about her and her campaign right now -- this was a major error no matter how you slice it, and she has some serious decision making to do.

[wildflowergardener]

15. agree

I was thinking about Kerry and how she jumped all over his Gaffe last night and feeling a bit glad about it - to be honest - for Kerry's sake.

Meg

[politicasista]

16. It really is n/t

[beachmom]

17. Oh, for crying out loud!

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/05/25/2008-05-25_hillary_why_i_continue_to_run.html

I can't even read the whole thing, it is so unbelievably tone deaf and infuriating. Oh, JUST GO AWAY!!!!!

[Inuca]

18. I am better than you :-)

I did read the whole thing. It's quite unbelievable, not only in the tone deafness but maybe even more so in the incredible chutzpa + inanity + just plain old fashioned lying of the arguments she gives for staying in the "race". Being somewhat of a masochist, I also read some of the comments (not many, my masochism is rather low grade), some of which were downright chilling. One of them, if I remember correctly, ended with "RAISE HILLARY" (capitals not mine). The exaltation and blindness that she engenders in some is truly, truly SCARY.