Just among us here, the recent news that John Paul II engaged in self

[hedgehog]

Poll question: Just among us here, the recent news that John Paul II engaged in self

flagellation to bring himself closer to the sufferings of Christ makes you think

[rug]

1. It struck me as very old-fashioned.

The notion that mortification of the flesh is a good thing, a sign of humility, and a means of uniting with Jesus' sacrifice, hearkens to a distant, mistaken past.

[47of74]

2. Priest said something interesting at church tonight

He said that Jesus did not choose to suffer because he loved pain, he did it because it was something he had to do, and that he didn't expect his followers to love pain and suffering either.

[MindandSoul]

3. Makes me wonder exactly WHAT he had to done to deserve that much self-flagelation!