( Fantasy alert ) If you could train with any one person

[Room101]

dead or alive for one day who would it be?

My choice in order- Mike Mentzer, Frank Zane, Bruce Lee



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[flvegan]

1. What a kick-ass question.

From the choices, I'd take Bruce Lee. Unorthodox, crazy freaklike invent-your-own-exercises kind of guy. Insanely strong, possibly the best strength to mass ratio ever. Lee understood the mind-muscle connection before anyone else promoted it.

Now, Mentzer and Zane are both legends. But, I'd put working out with them in the same scope as working out with Arnold and/or Lou (or Haney, Yates, Cutler and Coleman). All monsters of the science of lifting. They knew what they were doing, and it was more than image and steroids.

For enjoyment purposes, I'd take the departed Mike Matarazzo, who just seemed to be a lot of fun in the gym. To me, he appeared to just love working out. And those calves!!!! Branch Warren is another that seems to be fun in the gym.

I digress, though. These legends, these monsters are all good examples of folks to want to work out with. Ultimately, my choice, as far as spending time with, and spotting and watching, is a draw. It's either...

Jodi Miller


Or Timea Majorova


Yeah, I'm a pig...

[seemunkee]

2. Arthur Saxon or John Gill

Saxon was an oldtime strongman. His record for the bent press was 386

In this picture he is doing a two hands anyhow 336 lbs overhead with his right arm using the bent press technique and then reaching down with his left arm to hoist a 112 lb ring weight

John Gill is the father of modern bouldering. He was a gymnast who used those training techniques on the rock. He is still around and gets out to climb.

[MissMillie]

3. I plead ignorance

I don't know anything about famous trainers or body builders.

I have a feeling flvegan knows what he's doing, so can I pick him? (and no, that wasn't meant as a back-handed compliment).

[flvegan]

11. MissMillie, you can work out with me anytime!

That was nice of you to say. Thanks!

[crispini]

4. B. K. Iyengar.

Or Bikram Choudhury. :P

[crispini]

7. Ok, everyone else is posting pictures, so I will too

Iyengar:



Bikram:

[vikegirl]

5. Zsa Zsa Gabor

Just kidding! :P

Seriously, it'd probably be Gin Miller, creator of Step aerobics.

[terrya]

6. Bob Paris

I wish I had a picture of him at his prime (won Mr. Universe, I believe). A perfect physique.

Came out as gay after he retired from his pro bodybuilding career.

[terrya]

8. This a pic of Bob Paris

What a great body. :-)

[MemphisTiger]

9. I'm going to take some heat for this one, but Arnold...

yes, that Arnold. He should have stuck to bodybuilding and movies. The guys workouts were insanely hardcore and he reaped the results of it. No way Bruce Lee, he looks like he weighs less than my 3 year old son.

[crispini]

10. Yeah, but could ANY of these guys

put their feet on their heads? I don't think so! :evilgrin:

[MemphisTiger]

12. There are advantages to that

[Room101]

13. Bruce lee - Is respected by both Bodybuilders and the Martial

Arts world. Something Arnold cannot say. Many of Bodybuildings Mount Rushmore figures including Arnold took notice and gave props to Bruce Lee's insane Body composition and Mind/body connection.
Bruce Lee was known for doing two finger pushups (one arm)something you nore your son could NOT do;)

[MemphisTiger]

14. Bodybuilding is not about strength

it's about sculpting your body any way you want. Sure the current king of bodybuilding Ronnie Coleman can deadlift 800 pounds for reps, but I doubt he could do two finger pushups. Bruce Lee obviously had great strength, I think some are exagerated though. To confuse the two would be wrong.

[Room101]

15. Bodybuilding is directly related to strength !

You cannot get bigger muscles without increasing STRENGTH!
You cannot sculpt a body (like I have) without out increasing your strength.

How does hypertrophy happen, by becoming weaker? Or stronger. You speak like a novice considering you don't know the direct coloration between strength and hypertrophy.

I could be wrong but I doubt you have anywhere near the muscular development of a sculptured body of the likes of Bruce Lee. True Bodybuilders always recognize great bodies (no matter the bodyweight) because we know what it takes.

I can see it now " Sculpt your body by getting weaker" you will make millions!

[MemphisTiger]

16. You don't have to be a jerk about it, you will get stronger

by getting bigger, but there are different ways to get stronger as opposed to gaining mass. Before you call someone a novice look at what you're writing. I never said you become weaker by getting bigger, don't put words in my mouth, I don't appreciate it. If you're upset that I answered Arnold, just say it and stop this mess.

The current opinion for strength gains, powerlifting, is heavy weight LOW reps. For mass less weight, 8-10 reps, but as a competitive bodybuilder you already knew this right? How did you place in your last competition? :grr:

[Room101]

18. The current opinion?

"you will get stronger by getting bigger" Strength preceds size. I can increase my bench press today
by ten pounds thus incresing my strength. Then with proper rest the adaptation process takes place. How do you get bigger before getting stronger? This baffles me. Please explain?


"For strength gains, powerlifting, is heavy weight LOW reps" I agree.
"For mass less weight, 8-10 reps" This could not be further from the truth!

Hypertrophy is a defensive adaptation to intense stress placed upon the muscles.
When you take a exercise into 8+ reps it is entering the realm of endurance.
If one wishes to get faster they train by sprinting, if one wishes to increase endurance they train by running long distance. Standard Specificity of training principle here.

"For mass less weight" = get faster by running slower.


As far as being upset you answered Arnold again as far from the truth as possible.
There can be an argument made that Arnold is single handedly responsible for introducing Bodybuilding into the mainstream. I have seen Pumping Iron more times than I care to admit.
Arnold along Menzter, Zane and company sit atop of Bodybuilding’s Mount Rushmore.

Lastly as being an Asshole about it, I felt you were an asshole about dismissing Lee's sculptured body. I guess we have off setting asshole flags here;)

[MemphisTiger]

19. I wasn't dismissing Lee's body, but it's not what I'm

interested in achieving. He weighed something like 135lbs. I would like to add 100lbs to that for my personal goal. Also, by less weight I was referring to the comparison to powerlifters, strength athletes, as opposed to bodybuilders, aesthetic athletes. I'm not talking about the weight training that triathletes use where they do 20+ reps for endurance. 8-12 reps is hardly endurance. Everything I've read puts endurance thresholds at 12+ reps.

[Room101]

20. Are you backing off on ...

Getting bigger before stronger? If not explain? What is the biological process?

"Also, by less weight I was referring to the comparison to powerlifters, strength athletes, as opposed to bodybuilders, aesthetic athletes."

Comparison as far as what? Can you please be specific?
Do they have different biological processes then us Bodybuilders?:shrug: Please explain?

[MemphisTiger]

21. Whatever, I just don't give a rat's ass because you are looking

for a fight and I'm not inclined to give you one. You obviously want a more bruce lee smaller frame body, and I want mass. Two different builds. This discussion is over for me.

[Room101]

22. I don't want a fight I want the truth.

You make a statement without the foundation of facts.
"more mass less weight" I'm upset because you propagate myths or falsehoods. Which spread throughout gyms like urban myths. I'm in the fitness profession and I have to dispel myths and falsehoods every day. I just asked you to back up a statement with scientific evidence.

"You obviously want a more Bruce lee smaller frame body"
Bruce Lee was third on my list following 225lbs Menzter and 185lbs Zane. :hi:


In the end it is obvious that you are passionate about improving your body that I respect. :evilgrin:

[MemphisTiger]

23. I was refering to less weight ralative to the powerlifting, which

I just stated earlier in the sentance.

I'll try to find the article from the website I get most of my info from. abcbodybuilding.com

Check it out, it has some very good journal articles.

[seemunkee]

17. sarcoplasmic vs myofibrillar hypertrophy

I believe Memphis was referring to the differences.

[flamingyouth]

24. Joseph Pilates. I am a masochist.