Saw this on The Colbert Report and thought I was going to puke

[lizerdbits]

Some guy is running a myfreeimplants.com site to "help" women get implants who can't afford them. I was astounded and I didn't even know what to think. Why not take that money for some self worth therapy?! OMFG! I just watched it on Wednesday night's episode so I'm still somewhat speechless other than :puke:

I'm probably preaching to the choir here thinking how sad it is that so many women think they will feel better about themselves by having bigger breasts. Why are we as a society allowing girls to believe this message that happiness comes from men's approval of your body? I work with many large chested women and after hearing about double and triple bra-ing to ride horses or do any kind of exercise (after driving to store after store looking for jog bras that fit) I'm perfectly happy with mine. A few have asked me if I'd like to trade- no thanks, I like pain free jogging.

[ismnotwasm]

1. The "Self esteem" self delusion

It's NOT about self esteem. It's about bigger boobs. Why bigger boobs? They get looked at, commented on, admired, desired.

And by who? Why men of course.
It's like throwing on a pair of 6 inch heels. Why? To be taller? Nope. To be "sexier" desired. And by who? Why by men of course. High heels put your body in a mating posture anyway, and if that's what someone wants, fine by me, but don't say it's because you want to be taller. (Although I've met short women, who felt they needed heels to be taken seriously, I think that's a bit different)

I hate that self esteem crap. If a woman wants bigger breasts, and goes through costly, painful surgery to get them, a little honesty is in order I think. When my youngest daughter, who has naturally large breasts, showed quite a bit of cleavage for the first time,(around age 14) I asked her why. Didn't say "take that off" Just wanted to know, if she knew, WHY. After a blush, she said "So the boys will look at me" Well then, as long as you know, I told her, it's not about styles, or self esteem, it's about being desired by males. (or something like that, this was 7 years ago)

She didn't like that thought, and never has been a "look at my cleavage" person. And this is the kid with tats, piercings, multi-colored hair, (now in dreads in her natural blond)She's adorable and free-spirited.

I've gone to reputable plastic surgery websites and looked at before and after pictures.
Except in a very few cases, size wasn't necessarily an improvement. I don't get it. If I was boob shopping, those pictures alone would make me appreciate the breasts I have.

[bliss_eternal]

3. Your comment on the heels...

...made me think about a clothing store at my local mall. I've been wishing I could take digital pics of their display to show here. (Stores frown on people taking pics of their displays.)

Last fall, they changed their windows and now feature very oddly styled and posed mannequins.

Every single store mannequin seems to be on tip toe (like it's wearing high heels). Their legs are agape, hips are jutted suggestively forward and hands on the rear of their hips. The whole thing has a very obvious "come f**k me" look. It's quite creepy, and having worked for years in retail, I know it's intentional. :puke:

[bliss_eternal]

2. I expect that sort of thing from Howard Stern, but Colbert...?

...how disturbing. :scared:

When I was a kid, an extended family member came into some money. Guess what she decided to do with it? Prior to this, she said she'd always felt insecure about her flat chest. She wasn't exaggerating, she was flat but so what? She had so much more going on.

Anyway, she got the surgery and it didn't take her long feel like she made a mistake. She said she hated them. She said she felt "unnatural." (Um, yeah...well you did put a foreign object inside your skin). She said she didn't feel like herself anymore and disliked the feeling of always carrying props with her. I believe after some time, she had them removed.

Now that more people (that aren't wealthy) get plastic surgery--I sometimes wonder how many feel the same way, but don't admit it.

[lizerdbits]

4. It came across to me as mocking the site

not as supportive. Most of the people they interviewed didn't come across as all that bright. They talked to one woman who said the men who visited the site left women messages wanting pictures of them in various costumes (specifically an elf costume!) and postures. Talk about creepy! :scared:

[bliss_eternal]

5. Yikes....

...that does sound creepy. (shudder!)

Oh and thanks for clarifying Colbert's intent. :hi: I appreciate that, as I wasn't sure--not seeing the show personally. I don't watch him, but just remembered after responding his show is satirical in nature.

[bliss_eternal]

6. Not to take the issue off topic....

....but, look who got implants:

http://www.celebrity-mania.com/news/view/00004979.html

(sigh)

[lizerdbits]

7. Part of the reason was to

fit into designer outfits?! Personally I'd say "fuck your designer shit, I'm wearing something that fits what I really look like." But that's just me.

[bliss_eternal]

8. I thought that was bullshit, too.

We're not talking about someone w/a corporate gig, shopping for clothing off the rack. This is an entertainer. Any designer would go out of their way to ensure anything she wears with their name on it, fit perfectly--even if they had to alter it personally. Stars wearing their clothing is what many designer's aspire to.

Apparently Ms. Rowland has heard most of the usual excuses people make about breast augmentation surgery. My guess is she was attempting to provide a reason that didn't smack of self-esteem issues. But this reason still rings false, in my opinion.

It's like when Debrah Messing (Will and Grace) was looking anorexic and she claimed she went from a size 8 to a 2, so the designer clothes she was offered as a star would "hang better."

Bullshit, insane reasoning that only sounds sane if you are part of the entertainment industry. :eyes:

[Chovexani]

9. It's a pervasive pathology

I'm a B cup and pretty much the President Emeritus of the Itty Bitty Titty Committee and I am not lying when I say it is is IMPOSSIBLE for me to find a bra in my size that is not ridiculously padded.

On the flipside, my girlfriend hates going bra shopping for the opposite reason, and that's because her breasts are huge. We seriously check to see if they'll fit by putting them on her head. :crazy:

If we had the money to get her reduction surgery, we would. She's got all kinds of back problems and often says she'd trade boobs with me in a heartbeat. That was what finally cured me of my bad self-esteem regarding being flat-chested (though I do relapse from time to time).

[Ellen Forradalom]

10. I don't consider B flat at all

I'm a B and I love my "little French breasts" (as my paramour puts it.) If I were smaller, I'd take that too! Say YES to pain-free exercise!

[lizerdbits]

11. I hear you on that one!

Pain free jogging is great. I also have the same problem bra purchasing where virtually everything is highly padded or push up since I also wear a B. I have an additional problem finding a 38B, most things in a 38 are C and up and most Bs are 36 or less.

[Ellen Forradalom]

14. oh I HATE padded push-up

I like my dignified chest the way it is. Just gimme a goddamn bra at my size woulda? sheesh.

[bliss_eternal]

15. Anyone remember the "water bra" trend...?

The slogan was something like "only you will know, it's not all you." :rofl:

An example, apparently they are still making them. I guess they're still popular.

http://www.lingeriesolutions.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=82

After joking about everything that could go wrong with this bra, I saw something really similar to what I imagined on an episode of Will and Grace. Pretty much destroyed any possibility of my ever trying one personally. I'd spend the entire time in it, laughing hysterically about that episode or trying to puncture it, so I could spray at people indiscriminately in the mall. ;)

[Ellen Forradalom]

16. WATER BRA???

SLOSH SLOSH SLOSH

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
:rofl:

[bliss_eternal]

18. I had a similar reaction

when I initially heard about them (several years ago).

[ismnotwasm]

19. I had a friend who wore one

She had an interesting ethnicity, being half Korean. She was tall and well built. Her Korean name meant something like moose, or bear--a larger type animal, I can't remember, and she was considered quite large by the Korean half of her heritage, although I saw simply a pretty, slim young woman.
She was flat chested, and it went with the rest of her build-- Willowy is the term I like. Of course she felt insecure, like her clothes didn't fit right-- all that.

I told her to exercise her pecs if she wanted the look of cleavage. Nicely rounded pec muscles look better than some stupid water bra.

Side bar and soap box;
Of course, then she, like many, many women, was afraid of becoming "too muscular" I'M muscular, but most women are never going to look like me no matter what they do. It's in my genes and in my hormonal balance, and how I work out. I was around 12 years older than her, and had great bone density, and this young women, 23 at the time (her risk factors were smoking, genetics, pop and lack of exercise) had borderline osteoporosis AlREADY.
Women who do resistance training usually don't have the androgen content or the "bulky" muscle fibers to "look like a guy" Nobody listens to me though.
:cry:

[femrap]

12. My question is.....

what about gravity after a number of years? What do the women who become 50, 55, 60 do....don't these implants begin to fall? Wouldn't that hurt your back? So do they then have to have a surgical lift? Is that what happens next?

Or do these women who have tied themselves to 'the male eye' just kill themselves upon turning 50? Or get a sex change?

edited for spelling

[ismnotwasm]

13. Actually they don't look too bad

I've seen them on women in their 70's and once, in the 80's. Aging skin always thins and sags of course, but the implants weren't TOO incongruous.

What most people don't seem to acknowledge about implants is that sooner or later you'll need a re-op, no matter what your age. Implants usually need some upkeep. Not worth it for that alone to my way of thinking. I despise the thought of unnecessary surgery.

I had a patient in her late 80's who had quite a bit of work on her face, (had that barbie nose that was so popular a number of years ago) but kept her body in shape through diet and exercise. Her body looked great, her breasts no better or worse than anyone else who exercised and moisturized in the age group say of late 50's on up. I was kind of surprised she didn't have implants. I didn't ask though, my guess is that she felt she didn't need them.

I had another patient, a women in her late 70's, who had great breasts, small and high. She was pleasingly plump, one of those persons with great skin who seem to be made to carry a little extra weight. Bet she never yo-yo dieted.

If it matters to anyone, both these women were mothers of two or more children.

[bliss_eternal]

17. True--that implants do require upkeep.

It's NOT a one time deal (as some doctors lead potential patients to believe). Most will need to get them replaced, eventually. Women that earn a living based at least in part on their appearance (actors, models, etc.) seem to get theirs redone every few years or so.

In the days when E! aired Howard Stern, I heard several models say they've had theirs redone, for a myriad of reasons. Some for the sake of upkeep, or to change size after a significant weight gain or loss. A few women shared they had problems with their implants (infections, etc.) and had to remove them, but later replaced them. :shrug: One model in particular shared she had to have hers removed a few times before her body accepted the implant. She also shared she wished she had never got implants at all--after that experience (infection, removal, replacement).

I recall Jenna Jameson saying she hated the way her intital implants looked and felt. It took her at least a couple of surgeries to get implants she was comfortable with (in feeling and appearance).