It's not just that Hayden is in *'s military but he also broke the law

[Skidmore]

with *. He designed the NSA spy program. All these congress people forwarding the argument of too much in terms of military ties, are using this as a fig leaf for the real issue. If Dems do take the House or the Senate and there are investigations, then the illegality of this the spying will be confirmed once and for all. This is major CYA time. First on *'s side by trying to purge the CIA before the election and get his bullyboys in place. Second, by the Republicans in Congress so they won't have to explain why there was no oversight and this was allowed to happen to begin with. Beat the drum of the illegality of this man's actions. He has not upheld the constitution and aided his boss in an offense against the constitution.

[wtmusic]

1. You think if * gets a pass on domestic spying

this guy won't? :shrug:

[TahitiNut]

2. Hayden seems to share the worst traits of the stereotypical ...

... "bomb 'em from 40,000 feet" war-lover. The NSA is "signals intelligence" - an organization of people who never have to come face-to-face with the people whose privacy they're violating. Like the B-52 pilot (who merely flys the plane) and the bombardier (who merely drops the bombs on structures as ordered) who never actually have to observe the carnage first-hand, these are people in roles where empathy is both essential and a hindrance. War is "easy" if your own ass isn't on the line and you never confront its victims. Empathy is not in high regard in this regime.

[tabasco]

6. Very much truth in your statement.

I see a lot of republican support from military people who never have to see the dead bodies.

This includes remfs in the Army & Marines.

They get to share the "glory" of being "war vets," but never have to get shot at.

[Avalux]

3. Hayden has an explanation for that.

He doesn't believe he's broken the law because he didn't make the decision and he was told by the Attorney General to that the NSA wiretapping program was legal - so it must be, right? Who cares if there's no Congressional oversight - 9/11 changed everything!! :eyes:

Yes, we must insist Congress focuses on this man's lack of ethics and his inability to uphold the Constitution. I can only hope there's a few Republicans out there that still maintain a shred of integrity.

[bullimiami]

4. broke the law. lied to congress about it.

there is no justice for the powerful.

[Bonhomme Richard]

5. Consolidating Power......Hate to say it but I think this is..............

the last move of the neocons to consolidate power. I don't believe they intend to go anywhere, election or not.

[patriothackd]

7. Haydn - a countermove to prevent uprising by military

That's my take. He's infrastructure and they're putting him in place preparatory to making the next move on our civil liberties. Guaranteed there are a dozen more like him put into little-known positions that we know nothing about.