Al Franken & Richard Perle - anyone listening?

[marylanddem]

I thought this would be better than it is. Am I missing something?

[Nimrod2005]

1. They are NOT arguing? isn't Al sticking to the fat bastard?

[hlthe2b]

7. Perle is not the typical frothing RWer and debates in a calm,

"seemingly rational" way. Thus, there is no emotion in the debate. Al is asking the questions, but it comes off as boring, given the lack of passion and considerable deflection.

[spanone]

15. No, Perle lies with the confidence of a man who has gotten away with it.

[hlthe2b]

2. You are probably picking up on what I am...

The reason why total SOB Neocons like Perle and Bill Kristol have been so succesful (so-to-speak) is that they can SOUND so rational. Both have learned some tremendous propaganda skills, including containing any personal emotion. Perle is especially that way on radio, because you can't see how demonic he looks. Kristol, unfortunately, can come across as quite likeable. Never underestimate the power of coming across as "sane" and "likeable." I dare say we wouldn't have the "beer budy" in the WH if it weren't for his frat boy skills...

[underpants]

6. That is what I meant in post #16 here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1157677

but you said it much better than I.

[BrklynLiberal]

16. But Franken is good at keeping the tone like that and killing the opponent

with his own words.
Not too many people could do that.

[BrklynLiberal]

21. I think by staying calm, Franken keeps the non-believers listening, and

might have more of a chance to convince them of how much Perle is lyinghis ass off!!

[hlthe2b]

24. Agree.. for anyone who is truly LISTENING...

[Quixote1818]

3. I think Perle is making a fool of himself. Al is running circles around

him.

[KeepItReal]

26. Perle must be doing image re-hab. He's there with a camera crew

to do a documentary. He said something about them documenting him going up against his critics.

[BrklynLiberal]

4. Yes. Richard Perle is still an asshole!!!

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

5. Perle is insisting that his lies are the truth

only now does Al have quotes, including sound bites, to try and refute him. I'm sitting here wishing Stephanie Miller and Guy James were doing the interview. Stephanie would drive Perle nuts with her craziness, and Guy James would ask really tough questions and tell him like it is.

[BrklynLiberal]

9. Can you imagine what Mike Malloy would do to this turd!!??

[hlthe2b]

12. Nah, we couldn't let Malloy do that...

He'd stroke out for sure....Better to have him blasting away every night from a distance.

[KeepItReal]

10. Perle refusing to admit data (he does not have) on pre-war is still true

Does not have it on him...cannot name sources (other than discredited Weekly Standard)...9/11 commission findings are wrong.

[Epiphany4z]

8. listening now

you just have to trust us. Alquada was in Iraq.

[Elwood P Dowd]

11. If the Weekley Standard said it, then it must be true

:rofl:

[KeepItReal]

13. Perle:"I know Cheney and I believe he is a man of honesty and integrity"

Do you need to know anything more?

[BrklynLiberal]

18. Cheney, honest, integrity in the same sentence should make the earth open

up and swallow this idiot.

[Quixote1818]

14. Perle - Cheney a man of honesty and integrity??????? LOL!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Epiphany4z]

19. oh gag

I wish I had not had lunch before listening....Cheney isnt wrong everyone else is.

[Botany]

17. "The Vice President is a man of integrity."

The man will say anything.

[LSK]

20. i just turned it on

I was gonna come ask who he was talking to.

[Rude Horner]

22. I'm listening!

Al is kicking Perle's ass. He's left him speechless a few times. The lies are hard to keep track of, I'm sure.

[BrklynLiberal]

23. Perle STILL thinks there will be a grand square in a tribute to Bush?

I think he must be totally insane!!!!!

[KeepItReal]

25. This dumb ass thinks a shake-and-bake govt would have saved Iraq

from insurgency...not having way more troops there on the ground to keep order after toppling Hussein.

[underpants]

27. Perle arguments is that is just so happened that things deteriorated

Everything with the plan and all the assumptions and intel used to make those plans was just fine. This happened and this happened and oh well things didn't go as planned.
.


Some serious denial.

[Botany]

28. Perle's should be sent to the Hague

1998 letter to Clinton asking for a war in Iraq

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

[Quixote1818]

29. Of course Baghdad fell in three weeks. Insurgents fell into the woodwork

to fight an urban gorilla war DUMB FUCK Perle!!!!! All the Generals said this would happen. Perle is so fucking stupid. Al should have called him on that part.

[underpants]

31. "Everything you've said is factually wrong, everything"

About Perle taking money from Global Crossings and GoldmanSachs

[underpants]

33. Perle says that he only advised Global Crossing

advice that was so bad they didn't use it. Claims he wasn't paid for it.

He was only paid a retainer from GoldmanSachs.

[KeepItReal]

35. I remember them promising and swearing that there would be no Urban Combat

Before the war. Everyone knew we didn't not have enough troops to sustain urban combat operations in Iraq.

I was like "how the hell do you avoid that!?"

[BrklynLiberal]

30. A complete and total sociopath.

[pnorman]

32. I was just getting ready to post this,

but I was alerted that this thread is already running. I would strongly urge all to search out the evening rerun of this program.

Getting Air America by streaming internet was sometimes a pain in the ass. For that reason I went to XM, but Air America (channel 167) is almost all I use it for. And although Al Franken is a lot closer to "mainstream" than I care for, I have nothing but admiration for him. He illustrates how much knowledge can be gained by civil discourse, and by (momentary at least) suspension of blind hate towards the "other side". This interview with Richard Perle illustrates that very well.

pnorman

[underpants]

36. Well said

:thumbsup:

[BrklynLiberal]

40. His calm apppraoch keeps "non-believers" listening so they can have

their eyes opened.

[Botany]

34. Lie

I wasn't paid by global crossings ..... I was retained by global crossing.

retainer (2), noun.
1. a fee paid to secure services, on a continuing basis or when necessary.
Ex. This lawyer receives a retainer before he begins work on a case.
2. a retaining of a person's service.

[cenacle]

38. Franken did a great job...

with one smooth bastard who was no doubt vetted very thoroughly before going on...I doubt a word Perle said was unrehearsed. I can only say that going on the offensive like this, instead of fearing the fascist fucks, is what is going to keep the tide turning against them. Do we have them on the run yet? No...that's got to be our goal...on the run like a herd of crazed cows...trampling over one another, blind panic at getting caught...and, unlike cows, guilty as hell...Franken's doing his part, and I applaud him...

[Cleita]

37. OMG! I was listening on and off driving around doing errands.

I hope Al has a transcript on his website so I can check if what I heard is right. Now I know for sure that Perle is part of a boardroom that is acting in place of the President of the United States with Bush as the figurehead. I think Al is doing the right thing in not engaging in attack talk radio and letting Perle hang himself with his own words.

I know now why neo-cons lie. When they are through the lie is out there getting passed around, and by the time the rebuttal comes around, the lie has taken hold in many minds so the rebuttal is ineffective. So they don't even care if they are caught in their lies because the damage has been done.

Then he had the audacity to engage in projection and tell Al that everything he (Al) said was wrong.

I have to check my blood pressure because I am livid!

[BrklynLiberal]

39. What complete and total, lying asshole.

[madrchsod]

41. 2 minutes and selected a sports station

sorry al, your show sucks.