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EstimatedProphet
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Thu Dec-29-05 12:41 PM Original message |
We don't love freedom, we love comfort |
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Ron Green
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Thu Dec-29-05 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
1. You've hit it, Prophet. |
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EstimatedProphet
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Thu Dec-29-05 12:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Exactly |
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I Have A Dream
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Thu Dec-29-05 01:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Sounds like 'Brave New World' to me. n/t |
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Ron Green
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Thu Dec-29-05 01:29 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. Absolutely! While most people think in terms of "1984," we have created |
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cantstandbush
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Fri Dec-30-05 09:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
125. Hot damn! You said it all!!!! n/t |
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pilgrimm
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Thu Dec-29-05 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
3. DING DING DING! |
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maddezmom
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Thu Dec-29-05 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
4. well said, EP |
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EstimatedProphet
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Thu Dec-29-05 01:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. To be honest, so do I |
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maddezmom
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Thu Dec-29-05 01:08 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. and there is the dividing line isn't it |
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FloridaPat
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Thu Dec-29-05 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
7. At Epcot in Orlanda, there is the American exhibit. Mark Twain says that |
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kliljedahl
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Thu Dec-29-05 07:29 PM Response to Reply #7 |
67. You've been to Epcot? |
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FloridaPat
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Thu Dec-29-05 11:20 PM Response to Reply #67 |
83. I live 1/2 hour from Disney. I usually get the annual pass and they |
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EstimatedProphet
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Thu Dec-29-05 11:56 PM Response to Reply #83 |
90. I have too |
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FloridaPat
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Fri Dec-30-05 10:09 AM Response to Reply #90 |
105. Epcot way in the back. As you come from the entrance to the |
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mwb970
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Fri Dec-30-05 12:51 PM Response to Reply #67 |
110. I went to Epcot once. |
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kliljedahl
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Fri Dec-30-05 07:22 PM Response to Reply #110 |
122. I doubt it |
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I Have A Dream
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Thu Dec-29-05 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
9. YES!!! This perfectly describes most Americans today, in my opinion. n/t |
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Warren DeMontague
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Thu Dec-29-05 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
10. It's not even comfort. It's a God-Given right to drive monster trucks |
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Straight Shooter
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Thu Dec-29-05 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
11. We love the freedom to acquire material things. |
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Solomon
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Fri Dec-30-05 02:53 AM Response to Reply #11 |
97. Even more than this we have Superbowls, Basketball Championships, |
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wiggs
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Thu Dec-29-05 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
12. Good point and well said. Important point that seems obvious now that |
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undeterred
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Thu Dec-29-05 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
13. I think many Americans feel that going to the polls to vote |
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kliljedahl
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Thu Dec-29-05 07:32 PM Response to Reply #13 |
68. Don't forget the REAL patriots |
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serryjw
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Thu Dec-29-05 08:25 PM Response to Reply #13 |
72. That's WHY the elderly vote |
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hfojvt
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Thu Dec-29-05 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
15. I am going to have to put you on ignore |
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EstimatedProphet
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Thu Dec-29-05 02:31 PM Response to Reply #15 |
30. Ignore me at your peril! |
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hfojvt
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Thu Dec-29-05 03:13 PM Response to Reply #30 |
40. I can see both sides here |
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EstimatedProphet
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Thu Dec-29-05 09:45 PM Response to Reply #40 |
76. Yes, but... |
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kliljedahl
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Thu Dec-29-05 07:53 PM Response to Reply #30 |
71. I did a couple of posts about that legislation |
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EstimatedProphet
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Thu Dec-29-05 09:46 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. I heard it was on Taft's desk before Christmas |
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kliljedahl
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Fri Dec-30-05 09:02 AM Response to Reply #77 |
104. That's what I understood too |
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ThomWV
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Thu Dec-29-05 11:16 PM Response to Reply #30 |
82. If You've Got A Moment Read This |
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patriotvoice
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Fri Dec-30-05 02:00 PM Response to Reply #15 |
113. Freedom from punishment? |
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Gregorian
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Thu Dec-29-05 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
16. Twenty five years, I've been saying the same. Thank you. |
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wiggs
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Thu Dec-29-05 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
17. Can I suggest that you distribute for wider publication? |
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EstimatedProphet
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Thu Dec-29-05 01:48 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Thank you! |
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ProfessorGAC
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Thu Dec-29-05 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
18. Human Nature, Isn't It? |
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Jara sang
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Thu Dec-29-05 02:43 PM Response to Reply #18 |
34. Human programming more like. |
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donkeyotay
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Thu Dec-29-05 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
20. Maybe the saying about the race between education and ignorance |
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EstimatedProphet
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Thu Dec-29-05 02:02 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. You just hit on why I am still depressed... |
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donkeyotay
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Thu Dec-29-05 02:32 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. Re: why you (me, and most here) are depressed about the prospects |
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EstimatedProphet
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Thu Dec-29-05 02:33 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Quite true, and a good reason to keep fighting the good fight |
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InvisibleTouch
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Thu Dec-29-05 03:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
49. For the same reason, environmental protection is a low priority for most. |
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warrior1
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Thu Dec-29-05 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
21. Can I share this with another group? |
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EstimatedProphet
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Thu Dec-29-05 01:55 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Absolutely |
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warrior1
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Thu Dec-29-05 01:57 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Thank you. |
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Avalux
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Thu Dec-29-05 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
24. Excellent post. |
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Lydia Leftcoast
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Thu Dec-29-05 07:36 PM Response to Reply #24 |
69. That's what I see from Republican posters on other boards |
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glitch
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Fri Dec-30-05 12:46 PM Response to Reply #69 |
109. "They don't fear the loss of liberty because they rarely exercise it." |
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shance
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Thu Dec-29-05 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
26. Great post. I tdon't think our relinquishing material comfort will be |
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EstimatedProphet
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Thu Dec-29-05 02:13 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Hopefuly it won't be too hard |
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AgadorSparticus
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Thu Dec-29-05 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
28. YES!!! you could not show the discrepancy in our thinking any better! |
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Boojatta
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Thu Dec-29-05 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
29. Average American compared to American who has a lot of political influence |
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EstimatedProphet
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Thu Dec-29-05 02:50 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. Hmmm... |
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TygrBright
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Thu Dec-29-05 04:54 PM Response to Reply #37 |
57. You've GOT to be kidding... |
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EstimatedProphet
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Thu Dec-29-05 07:22 PM Response to Reply #57 |
65. Actually, you're probably right about that |
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yknot
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Thu Dec-29-05 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
33. DEVO says: |
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Gregorian
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Thu Dec-29-05 02:47 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Fear says- |
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I Have A Dream
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Thu Dec-29-05 11:47 PM Response to Reply #33 |
86. Very good point! Most people prefer to have choices made for... |
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BushOut06
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Thu Dec-29-05 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
35. Most Americans would rather be fat, lazy, with a paycheck in their pockets |
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EstimatedProphet
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Thu Dec-29-05 02:57 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Exactly |
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KansDem
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Thu Dec-29-05 06:46 PM Response to Reply #38 |
62. I've heard it referred to as "sucking the glass teat" |
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davekriss
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Fri Dec-30-05 11:26 PM Response to Reply #38 |
126. Television, The Drug Of The Nation |
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MN ChimpH8R
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Thu Dec-29-05 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
39. That's a grand slam home run |
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serryjw
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Thu Dec-29-05 08:35 PM Response to Reply #39 |
74. Everything we buy in America |
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incapsulated
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Thu Dec-29-05 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
41. It's sad but true |
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EstimatedProphet
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Thu Dec-29-05 03:19 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Thanks! I made it myself! |
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Blue Velvet
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Thu Dec-29-05 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
42. Amazing! I was just reading Bill Maher's new book in which he expresses |
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DinahMoeHum
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Thu Dec-29-05 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
43. To paraphrase the infamous Earl Butz of the Nixon era. . . |
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EstimatedProphet
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Thu Dec-29-05 03:20 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. And, from memory, he got canned for racist jokes in public |
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Generator
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Thu Dec-29-05 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
46. I think they love their fear |
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EstimatedProphet
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Thu Dec-29-05 03:44 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Variations on a theme |
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davekriss
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Fri Dec-30-05 11:44 PM Response to Reply #46 |
127. Turn off the TV! |
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donheld
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Thu Dec-29-05 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
48. Which proves also that "they hate us for our freedom" is bullshit |
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Raksha
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Thu Dec-29-05 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
50. Very good observation. |
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EstimatedProphet
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Fri Dec-30-05 03:49 PM Response to Reply #50 |
118. I begin to think that that's exactly what it is |
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DBoon
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Thu Dec-29-05 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
51. "give me convenience of give me death" |
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justabob
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Thu Dec-29-05 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
52. So imporatant, and so well said nt |
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bridgit
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Thu Dec-29-05 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
53. whoop, there it is... |
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Raydawg1234
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Thu Dec-29-05 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
54. when we lose our comfort, only then will the masses resist. |
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Thu Dec-29-05 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
55. Give Me Cable or Give Me Death! n/t |
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ZapaPaine
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Thu Dec-29-05 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
56. Along the same lines, an excellent must read... |
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Fri Dec-30-05 12:54 PM Response to Reply #56 |
111. Welcome to DU zapapaine (great duer name)! |
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converted_democrat
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Thu Dec-29-05 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
58. Sadly, I think you're right.n/t |
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oxbow
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Thu Dec-29-05 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
59. The best antidote to materialism is spirituality |
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Thu Dec-29-05 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
60. Absolutely....American Sheeple polled by MSNBC/CNN are told: |
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Lydia Leftcoast
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Thu Dec-29-05 07:40 PM Response to Reply #60 |
70. Yeah, it's like the woman in the BP ad who isn't willing to even think of |
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AngryOldDem
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Thu Dec-29-05 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
61. We'll take America back... |
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More Than A Feeling
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Thu Dec-29-05 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
63. It's true. I have been reading about early political movements in America |
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Lorien
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Thu Dec-29-05 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
64. Very true, and unfortunately this mindset can be found on both |
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glitch
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Fri Dec-30-05 12:59 PM Response to Reply #64 |
112. Very true. It is disheartening. I console myself with words from wiser |
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agincourt
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Thu Dec-29-05 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
66. If you ask an average American, |
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robbedvoter
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Thu Dec-29-05 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
73. Gore Vidal again |
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Jade Fox
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Thu Dec-29-05 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
75. What Rightwingers mean by freedom... |
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EstimatedProphet
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Thu Dec-29-05 09:53 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. That's a really good point |
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Jade Fox
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Fri Dec-30-05 05:08 PM Response to Reply #79 |
119. You've got a good point too...... |
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EstimatedProphet
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Fri Dec-30-05 05:18 PM Response to Reply #119 |
121. Exactly |
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MN ChimpH8R
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Fri Dec-30-05 02:03 PM Response to Reply #75 |
114. It was explained 25 years ago |
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Jade Fox
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Fri Dec-30-05 05:11 PM Response to Reply #114 |
120. That is really good.... |
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SunDrop23
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Thu Dec-29-05 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
78. That's a fantastic post. |
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EFerrari
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Thu Dec-29-05 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
80. If this culture seeks comfort, then we need to ask, |
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EstimatedProphet
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Thu Dec-29-05 11:03 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. You're right, there is a large portion of the US that's too poor |
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EFerrari
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Thu Dec-29-05 11:45 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. I wonder, EP. I wonder if for some people bragging |
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I Have A Dream
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Thu Dec-29-05 11:54 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. Until we are able to get the people that you're describing to vote... |
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EFerrari
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Fri Dec-30-05 12:02 AM Response to Reply #89 |
91. Agree on Diebold et al. But, mostly, until we all sort of adjust |
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Lydia Leftcoast
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Thu Dec-29-05 11:49 PM Response to Reply #81 |
87. The other secret weapon of dictators is that they rarely oppress EVERYONE |
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EFerrari
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Fri Dec-30-05 12:07 AM Response to Reply #87 |
92. Right on. Which, imho, is why we should be alert to |
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Shallah Kali
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Fri Dec-30-05 02:29 AM Response to Reply #81 |
95. there is also redirecting anger towards false causes like gay marriage |
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Shallah Kali
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Fri Dec-30-05 02:20 AM Response to Reply #80 |
94. "as long as my family is comfortable, I don't care" is the problem |
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EFerrari
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Fri Dec-30-05 12:24 PM Response to Reply #94 |
107. Well, now it's early and my turn to ramble. |
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madeline_con
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Thu Dec-29-05 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
84. "How can we take America back?" |
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EstimatedProphet
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Thu Dec-29-05 11:54 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. Good ideas, if we all do them |
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leftstreet
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Fri Dec-30-05 01:01 AM Response to Original message |
93. We must get (some) control of the Corporate Media |
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lildreamer316
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Fri Dec-30-05 02:43 AM Response to Original message |
96. THIS QUOTE sums up your position pretty well: |
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leftofthedial
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Fri Dec-30-05 02:58 AM Response to Original message |
98. great insight |
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Lexingtonian
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Fri Dec-30-05 04:41 AM Response to Original message |
99. My impression |
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EstimatedProphet
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Fri Dec-30-05 02:07 PM Response to Reply #99 |
115. OK |
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shanti
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Fri Dec-30-05 04:43 AM Response to Original message |
100. and that is the only thing that will get americans |
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NMMNG
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Fri Dec-30-05 05:23 AM Response to Original message |
101. I think you are overreacting |
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DemExpat
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Fri Dec-30-05 05:31 AM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Yes, I think that, for example, Europeans have been lulled |
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NMMNG
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Fri Dec-30-05 05:54 AM Response to Reply #102 |
103. I hope it's not too late, though it may very well be |
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FlaGranny
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Fri Dec-30-05 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
106. Perhaps the average American will |
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Fri Dec-30-05 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
108. We're not just a nation of comfort-seeking couch potatoes, but |
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Just Me
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Fri Dec-30-05 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
116. How to overcome apathy? Until the people realize they are about to lose,. |
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Uncle Joe
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Fri Dec-30-05 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
117. EstimatedProphet, You have read my mind, |
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pitohui
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Fri Dec-30-05 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
123. all animals are comfort seeking |
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EstimatedProphet
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Fri Dec-30-05 07:47 PM Response to Reply #123 |
124. Certainly it is a natural desire |
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