That blown-up framed picture of Zarqawi's head is just too fucking sick.

[Cyrano]

What psychopath in the Bush administration thought that one up? I'm not sure that even Karl Rove is that bugshit insane.

Why don't we just chop his head off and stick it on the flagpole on top of the White House?

Anyone who thinks that framed piece of shit would make any normal human being feel triumphant, or raise King George's poll numbers, is badly in need of a straight jacket and a padded cell.

What's most revealing about this framed blow up is that it tells us what we have become. Well, I for one don't want any part of it. You'd have to work long and hard to disgrace this country any more than BushCo has done. Right now, I'm ashamed to be an American.

[tigereye]

1. that was my reaction too!

it was gross to see it on the front page of my newspaper and the NYT. Is this what we have become?

:cry:

[WindRavenX]

2. we're animals

plain and simple.

[Jim Warren]

22. No not animals..........WORSE

human

[Philosoraptor]

3. It was a symbolic beheading.

For the famous beheader.

[Richard D]

4. It's really disgusting

I finally just saw it today. Really the action of a psychopath to do something like that.

[BOSSHOG]

5. If bush wants to excite his base

why not show pictures of the blown up bodies of our Soldiers who have been slaughtered because of bush's lies and ignorance and arrogance. "Christian Conservatives" don't give a fuck that our kids are getting killed; it would just prove to them that their hero is doing the right thing. I've seen servicemembers blown up by terrorists. "Christian Conservatives" should have to spend some time with the body parts over in the 120 degree heat in the desert. Their flags would wilt and their magnets would fade, but no, they'll just continue to be good ole god fearing merkuns.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

7. I swear I've heard it more than once! "those are black people" in Iraq

typical alabama mentality.

[tinfoil tiaras]

16. Are you serious.

I didn't know people were that stupid to get arab/middle eastern decent confused with black/african decent.

Not even some of the idiots I'm surrounded by one state over, in Mississippi, are that dumb.

[knowbody0]

6. i so agree

barbaric and repulsive to me

[Jacobin]

8. Every trophy must be mounted properly

For the sick fucks running the war.

[Beelzebud]

9. Conservative Republican fine art = Framed photos of dead bodies.

Let's cover lady Justices breasts for Christ's sake! People will look at her naked busom instead of the dead bloated corpse of Goldstein.

[SmokingJacket]

10. We have fallen very very far. nt

[Stand and Fight]

11. I wholeheartedly agree...

We are going backwards at an alarming rate.

[Gregorian]

12. Vlad the Impaler would be proud.

I'm not sure what else to say. I totally agree with you. I think your post speaks for me quite well.

You know what's weird. I've felt this way for thirty years. It didn't take a Zarqawi or Iraq war or George Bush to create this feeling I have. Ah, screw it. It's dismal, and it's a long story. I just know that I've been clobbered when I didn't want to celebrate what I called No-Thanksgiving. Oh, I could just pretend it was a time when we all got along. But I'd have to overlook a lot, to do that.

Alright, I'm done. But it isn't easy living here when you aren't proud. I am looking for a place to live where I can be proud. Just a house. I'm not even talking about country. It's expensive to find a place where the rabid ones are out of eye and ears.

Ok, I'm really done now.

[elehhhhna]

13. Didja notice the frame matches GW's yellow oval office rug?

[MediumBrownDog]

14. Totally turns my stomach....

Since when do we show photos of corpses on the front page of any publication? I was shocked. What's next, dismembered body parts? I don't understand how anyone can look at that and say "Woo hoo! PAAAAAAAARTY!" But people are doing exactly that. I feel like I'm on an alien planet.

[mikelgb]

15. I said something similar on this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2329129#2329447

[tinfoil tiaras]

17. It kinda reminds me of when the Hussein brothers were killed

and they showed their nasty bloated up heads on TV. But at least those weren't FRAMED...who the fuck came up with that. I want to laugh because it's so absurd, but I can't laugh because it's so sick and inhuman, even for a terrorist. I cringe to think of what the'll do with Bin Laden's body. Probably hang it up from a flagpole or something... :puke:

[Jigarotta]

18. maybe someone on the inside giving a clue:

Z was 'framed'.

[titoresque]

19. Ashamed too.

Next we'll be making lamp shades and wallets from the hides of "terrorists". Disgusting. :cry:

[semillama]

20. but GOD FORBID you see 0.25 seconds of Janet Jackson boobie

Talk about double standards. What's more obscene - a nipple, or a dead body?

[arcane1]

23. to conservatives, the human body is only obscene when alive

dead bodies are Fundie-porn

[Tanam]

21. His head was shown

to prove to the people of iraq that he is indeed dead. Same with saddams sons. Seeing a picture of a dead mans face is no different then going to a open casket funeral.If seeing his face hurts you so much, i take it you haven't seen the films of zarqawi beheading people.

[arcane1]

24. what a perfect misunderstanding of the question!

:toast:

[Catherine Vincent]

30. If you think about it, that wouldn't be much proof.

Humans don't look like themselves when they are dead, for all we know it could have been someone else (not that I don't believe he is dead). I rathered they show him in a closed casket or something.

[Tanam]

35. And then the latest tinfoil discussion around here would be

that the casket is empty :crazy:

[bunkerbuster1]

40. Mounted on foamcore, I could understand. FRAMING it?

In something you'd see used for an oil painting?

I suspect you won't be here real long, but face facts--that wasn't a real smart political move.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

25. It started with the ghoulish death pics of Uday/Qusay Hussein. I suppose

the memo is that we are in fact (according to shrubco anyway) a ghoulish, death cult society now.

Perhaps soon there will be public disembowellings of Iraqis a la "Braveheart", or breaking all the bones of a living person with a wagon wheel as in the Dark Ages. No doubt it will garner a hefty audience on pay per view. Perhaps Fox network will even show it for free, in between episodes of "Who wants to marry a midget millionaire?".

[malaise]

26. That was to circumvent the Geneva

Convention re displaying the war dead. I was not fooled.

[aikoaiko]

27. yes, but not nearly as sick as actually cutting someone's head off

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

28. So, are we merely in a contest to only be better than some terrorist?

There is no other standard of conduct?

[aikoaiko]

29. One can argue for whatever standards one likes.

Seeing is believing for some people. Of course, there are many on this board who claim its all a hoax. :tinfoilhat:

[deaniac21]

31. One man's terrarist is another's 'freedom fighter'.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

32. That doesn't address my point at all. The one poster responded that

"it's a lot better than beheading", in response to the idea that it is ghoulish and makes the U.S. look horrible to display corpses in such a way. That may be true, but it doesn't address the issue of whether this is a way a leader of nations ought to behave, unless the goal is, like Genghis Khan, to make a mountain out of skulls to instill fear in the enemy, and whether our only standard of behavior is to be better than some "other" who happens to be a serial killer.

Your "point" doesn't address anything at all.

[deaniac21]

34. You make excellent anaolgies. Does this mean we should

quit holding up pictures of murdered Iraqis at demonstrations? I'll admit that I'm not very bright but I am very confused now.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

38. So do you think that proud displays of dead foes is something our gov't

ought to be doing?

You are the one who brought up protesters and Iraqi dead, this is not something I would do personally, but I don't think whether THAT is right has relevance on whether it is fitting for our government to do this. You are "confused" (sarcasm aside) because you are the one who introduced that straw man to the discussion.

[deaniac21]

41. I wouldn't do it but I didn't see in worldwide outcry about it. Two

or three threads in DU is about it, I think.

[undergroundpanther]

37. This is the point

I think

Domination based fighting VS defensive fighting..

An Invading force that is inadequate to dominate that is incapable of seeing past the domination role,and how it spells failure..
VS a besiged poplation that is frustrated,angry traumatized,and will not bow down and does not think like we do because they are not colonialists they are tribal..

The Aztecs were easily defeated because they had a centralized system, in which there was an emperor and a capital city. This system was based on a class society similar to that of the Spaniards, whereas the Mapuche system was the opposite. There was no class, no central figure or city and therefore the whole nation made its livelihood through warfare. When the main chief was killed a new one was elected to continue the fight. An essential weakness of Spanish occupation was its desperate need of peace. Exploitation of this weakness became a foundation of Mapuche strategy. Whenever the Indian found it advantageous to themselves to live in peace -weather because of famine or disease or military weakness- they willingly surrendered themselves to temporarily armistice. During the 350 years of war with the Mapuches, the Spaniards military techniques did not evolve. They began and ended the war with the same use of the horse cavalry and were very soon at a disadvantage against the Mapuche who had created superior military techniques. The Mapuche army did not just become even with the Spanish army but they became far superior.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~rehue/art/far1.html

[deaniac21]

39. What language do they speak in Chile?

[undergroundpanther]

33. the old barbaric

trick of the enemies head on a stick,except in modern times it can be copied on TV and shown everywhere,..How little we have grown in our humane..ity.

http://www.englishmonarchs.co.uk/tower_london_2.htm
http://muttmansion.com/ds/archives/001957.html
http://www.xs4all.nl/~rehue/art/far1.html

http://www.danieldrezner.com/archives/002076.html#002076

[Avalux]

36. Did you hear crime in the US has increased?

This is why - we are cultivating a culture of violence and death. Killing innocent civilians, torturing, displaying our dead enemies.

I am embarrassed and ashamed we have sunk so low.