The Bush family, the Cuban mafia and the Kennedy assassination

[dutchdemocrat]

Interesting Read from the Cuban press.

The Bush family, the Cuban mafia and the Kennedy assassination

BY REINALDO TALADRID and LAZARO BAREDO

IN 1959, a young officer and businessman from Texas received directions to cooperate in funding the nascent anti-Castro groups that the CIA decided to create, but it wasn’t until 1960 that he was assigned a more specific and overt mission: to guarantee the security of the process of recruiting Cubans to form an invasion brigade, a key aspect within the grand CIA operation to destroy the Cuban Revolution.

The CIA Texan quickly took a liking to the Cuban assigned to him for his new mission. The system of work, although intense, was simple. Féliz Rodríguez Mendigutía, "El Gato," would propose a candidate to him, who would then be checked out, both in the Agency and among the Miami groups, and finally, the Texan would give the go-ahead. In that period, Félix Rodríguez already knew quite a few Cubans, like Jorge Mas Canosa (subsequently the leader of various counterrevolutionary organizations and then president of the Cuban-American National Foundation) and had confirmed his loyalty to "the cause" and to the Americans. For that reason he was among the first to be proposed. He passed through the process satisfactorily, and in a meeting in the city of Miami, which the Texan liked to make as formal as possible, Jorge Mas Canosa officially became an agent of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency.

Jorge Mas didn’t know how to thank Félix for what he had done for him. From that moment he was constantly grateful to him and, at the same time, obedient to his every petition. But Jorge Mas was far from imagining the significance of this recruitment on the rest of his life. The significance rested on the fact that that Texan officer who undertook his recruitment process, approved it and then notified him at that meeting, was none other than George Herbert Walker Bush, the same man who, later, between 1989 and 1992, was the 41st president of the United States.

Various sources coincide on the foregoing. Paul Kangas, a Californian private investigator, published an article containing part of his investigations in The Realist in 1990, in which he affirms that a newly discovered FBI document places Bush as working with the now famous CIA agent Félix Rodríguez on the recruitment of ultra-right wing exiled Cubans for the invasion of Cuba. For his part, in his "Report on a Censored Project," Dr. Carl Jensen of Sonoma State College states: "… there is a record in the files of Rodríguez and others involved in the Bay of Pigs invasion, which expounds the role of Bush: the truth is that Bush was a senior CIA official before working with Félix Rodríguez on the invasion of Cuba."

SNIP

http://www.granma.cu/ingles/2006/enero/vier13/4familia-i.html

[dutchdemocrat]

1. Lot's of new names

Fonzi noted that various acts of disinformation were organized as part of the operation that cost the life of President Kennedy: one in Dallas, another in Miami and a third in Mexico City. The objective of the disinformation was to manufacture the image of a "revolutionary" Oswald, a "defender of the Cuban Revolution."

Hence the ex-marine was filmed in acts of solidarity with Cuba, demonstrating in a very aggressive manner. But the most daring act of disinformation was effected in Mexico City. There, Lee Harvey Oswald turned up at the Cuban embassy to ask for an entry visa to the island. All of that was filmed from a surveillance post that the CIA had opposite the Cuban embassy, so that it would be documented.

The strange thing is, as Veciana told Fonzi, in one of his contacts with "Bishop" in early 1963, the latter said that he knew that he (Veciana) had a cousin in Cuban Intelligence, who was located at the Cuban embassy in Mexico. "Bishop" stated that if it suited his cousin to work for them in a very specific action, he would pay him whatever he wanted. Veciana commented to Fonzi that he had never spoken of this cousin to "Bishop" and also, at that time, "Bishop" was assigned to the U.S. embassy in Mexico City and even went directly from the Mexican capital to some contacts in Dallas.

In fact Veciana was the cousin of the wife of the then Cuban consul in Mexico City, Guillermo Ruiz, and in the days following the assassination of Kennedy, that woman was the victim of a recruitment attempt in the same city, with the clear proposition that, once in the United States, she would testify as to Oswald’s "complicity" with the Cuban secret services.

Questioned by Fonzi as to the existence of renewed contacts with "Bishop" after the Dallas homicide, Veciana answered that there had been, particularly in 1971, when he received an order to leave for Bolivia and work in the U.S. embassy in that country, where he would appear as an official for the Agency for International Development (USAID) and should wait for a visit from a known person. Fonzi checked the USAID archives in Washington and found an application form to enter the USAID in the name of Antonio Veciana, handwritten in letters distinct from those of Veciana and unsigned.

[CrazyOrangeCat]

2. Yep, actions so outrageously . . .

. . . evil and unconstitutional . . . that they correctly assumed that 99% of Americans would never be able to comprehend what they were doing. It worked.

If there is karma . . . I wouldn't wanna be GHWB.

Beneath his absurdly bad public-speaking skills, lies an evil man, so powerful that he and his henchmen still run the show. He even has Clinton snowed.

Keep fighting the bastards anyway.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

3. I just can't buy it

I know, I know. I'm going to get slammed. And I have absolutely no facts to back me up. Maybe it's just that I'm too trusting a person.

I'm not arguing with you. I know you might be right. But he was the only Republican I ever really liked because he reminded me of my father, who was a good and decent man.

Makes me feel kind of quesy to think I could be that amazingly wrong about somebody. Or it could be the Guiness.

[CrazyOrangeCat]

6. I certainly wouldn't slam you.

Your posts are one of the reasons I joined DU. Your gentleness and strength shines thru.

My maternal grandfather was a Republican, and the kindest, most loving person I ever knew.

Thing is, in my opinion, that political party has been hijacked. Long time ago. They once stood for some things that were very admirable. Hard to see that anywhere in the fabric of the Repubs now . . .

[TallahasseeGrannie]

15. Here's what DU has taught me...

I will still choose to believe the best BUT I know in my heart that the whole thing could be a huge charade. Kind of like the Truman Show! We live in a world of fake everything and I believe it COULD be true, but for the sake of my tender heart I'm going to think the best until it kicks me in the butt. And that covers a lot, including 9/11.

But I'll never believe Al Gore is a phoney. I just can't go there.

And thanks for your kind words. For some reason everybody has been very nice to me today. You guys know something I don't know??? LOL

[FreedomAngel82]

11. Look at all the family has done over the last two centuries

From Samuel Bush to George W Bush. Look at who they associate with. Poppy Bush is no decent man. Why is it that he's the only one who was able to remember couldn't remember where he was when Kennedy died? Even my mother remembers where she was and she was a little girl. That's like me saying I don't remember where I was when 9/11 happened. Nixon made references to Operation Zapata and Poppy had an oil company based in Texas named Zapata. Coincidence? I don't think so. How many times have you heard of the word Zapata? I believe Nixon was in on it too by at least knowing about it. Why else was he so freakin paranoid about them?

[TallahasseeGrannie]

16. I don't disbelieve you

I know there are dots out there that many people are connecting.

But right now it just isn't in me to go the whole nine yards with the BFEE.

But I have a very open mind and I am watching and waiting.

But then sometimes I just think they are ALL crooks, including the Dems.

Except Al Gore.

[TygrBright]

33. Not crooks. Just humans...

...and ALL humans are born with the capacity to be dreadful, and ALL humans are born with the capacity to be wonderful. A complex mix of DNA and experience influences our decisions to be one or the other at various times.

Some people seem to naturally gravitate toward one or the other, so much so that we label them "good" or "evil." Hard to imagine Paul Wellstone doing something dreadful (and as long as I knew the man, he never did-- though he had many things he would have liked to do over again and do better.) And hard to imagine Adolph Hitler doing anything wonderful-- though contemporary memoirs by those who knew him (and they weren't all Nazi helots) do record instances of him acting (and I use "acting" deliberately) thoughtful and concerned about others on occasion. Yet each of them had the capacity to be wonderful or dreadful to the last day of their lives, and could have made any choice at any decision point.

It bothers me sometimes that here on DU we seem to want to paint everything black and white. The Democrat of the Moment-- Murtha, or Byrd, or whomever-- is an inspiring leader, an example to us all, worthy of our uncritical adoration and unconditional support. And apparently, the only good GOPpie is a dead GOPpie.

I can't go along with it. I had dinner the other night with a warm, thoughtful, intelligent man who is devastated by what's happened to his Party-- the Republicans. He exemplifies all that I (somewhat reluctantly) admire about the Republicans I grew up around. He looks at all sides of a question, quite thoroughly, does research and thinks about it before he decides what he believes. He's capable of admitting his mistakes and saying "I don't know" and even changing his mind. He's got a lot of notions often labelled "old-fashioned," but admirable for all that. He believes in a classic high-level diplomacy approach to foreign policy without saber-rattling and histrionics and wild gestures. He's outraged by letting corporate officers screw over shareholders and run companies based on the "three months to the bottom line" approach and the damage it's doing to our national economic resilience. He's appalled by what's happening to Teddy Roosevelt's legacy of pristine wilderness and conservation of natural resources.

He's not a sexist or a racist, though he absorbed some of the inevitable racism and sexism of his own race and class and upbringing, and doesn't consider it a priority to reshape himself to counteract that. We disagree on many things. He's not a saint or a sinner, he's an ordinary human being who generally tries to keep his altruistic impulses and self-interested impulses in healthy balance, and who can tip over to either one depending on circumstances.

And I know a few self-professed Democrats I'd really like to woodshed. Terminally astigmatic in their assumptions about people, terminally arrogant in their prescriptive pronouncements "for the benefit of humanity," terminally attached to a two-dimensional view of reality, they go far beyond harmless lunacy in their impatience and determination to FIX EVERYTHING NOW. ("Fix," that is, according to their own standards, and how does that make them any different in essence from the incompetent greedy "fixers" we're suffering under now?) Even when I agree with their goals, their notions of appropriate means to reach the goals stands my hair on end.

I'm NOT saying we shouldn't be standing up and fighting for what we believe in. I'm NOT saying that we don't have a duty to vigorously defend the Constitution and try to restore the America we love. I guess all I'm saying is that keeping an open mind about individual people is more productive than writing them off.

Trust but verify, if you know what I mean. And resist the temptation to put everything in terms of immutable good and immutable evil. Recognize both the value AND the danger of pragmatism.

I just get weary, sometimes, of the strident one-note sambas of the Internet. Maybe I'm gettin' old, but I sort of long for the good old days of being polite to one's opponents, at least in public.

feebly,
Bright

[TallahasseeGrannie]

40. Beautifully written

and I agree with all your points.

[dutchdemocrat]

46. Brilliant

and beautifully written. It must have felt wonderful to unfurl those thoughts.

[BlueEyedSon]

38. So you *like* GHWB, and all Dems (but one) are crooks?

:wtf:

[TallahasseeGrannie]

41. I realize I'm not reading off the DU script here

but I think that power corrupts. And absolute power corrupts absolutely. I believe that while some folks might run for office to change the world, more run for office to achieve fame, power, and at times money. Once they get in office they are fair game for lobbyists and other bottom feeders, and being human, many of them cave.

So I'm very open to the concept that many, if not all, politicians, both sides of the aisle, are crooked eventually.

I did like GHWB, as I mentioned, because he reminded me of my father. I am more cautious with that assessment now, however. And my jury is out. I read terrible things about him here on DU, and on RW sites he is revered as a saint. Who is right? I haven't a clue.

Why do I not accept fellow DU'ers and their assessment of the BFEE? Well, one reason if that I see so many folks paraded on DU as saints, and if they suddenly say something slightly off the DU script, they are demons. Keith Olbermann, the fair-haired boy for months last week was ripped a new one by a number of posts. Dick Durbin (sp?) has been saint and sinner. Reid has been called every name in the book, not long ago. Now he is on the happy happy list again. In short, this might not be the best forum upon which to base one's opinion. We are pretty knee jerk.

But if there is one politician I still completely trust, it is Al Gore. And I CAN'T WAIT to hear what he has to say today.

[Petreader]

23. I believe Johnson was

involved too, and it was just as much about oil money then as the "action against the terrorists" today.

[CrazyOrangeCat]

26. yes, it is about money and power . . .

. . . at the expense of everything else. That is why gentle people have such a terrible time grasping it. Greed and destruction don't sound like a good idea to us!

Evidently, it is like heroin, or something similar, to these crazy fools. Always looking for a fix.

[Boo Boo]

20. I think it's more likely that it was blowback, rather than something

orchestrated by the CIA. If the Bay of Pigs Cubans really were involved in the assasination (and there seems to be evidence of that, even in the Warren Report), it was probably an act of revenge for what they felt was a betrayal. Also, the Mafia hated the Kennedy Bros. (more feelings of betrayal?). Robert Kennedy was famously quoted as saying something to the effect of "My God, what have we done?" when told of his brother's death. The way I understood the implication of that was that he knew what had happened. I think it was blowback.

I do believe that GH Bush was/is CIA. It explains his power base in Florida quite handily, Florida being the largest CIA station outside Virginia, and his (and his sons) associations with so many various Latin American right wing goons. I don't believe he would've been appointed to head the CIA if he were not, because there are just some things that people outside the company will not be allowed to see. I'm not historian enough to know, but has anyone ever been head of the CIA without having been employed by the agency?

Wouldn't surprise me to find out that Jebby was involved with the CIA in some fashion or another as well. He rigs elections like a real pro. He spent time in Mexico, teaching or something like that---sounded like a cover to me.

It's fun to speculate! :7

A story I read about GHB meeting Paul Wellstone while GHB was President: He greets Wellstone with that nice, cordial aspect that people like so much, makes some friendly small talk, then after Wellstone is out of earshot he turns to an aide and say's, "Who the hell is that little chichenshit?!"

I think his public and private personas are quite different. The old saying about acorns not falling that far from the tree: how does one explain Junior and Jeb if Daddy is such a really nice guy?

[CrazyOrangeCat]

22. No Daddy isn't a nice guy.

Interesting, and telling, story about Wellstone . . .

Thing is, regarding the Bay of Pigs Cubans, a few of those guys were mid-level CIA. Joan Mellon, in her recent book, "Farewell to Justice", examines this complex story with great expertise, in my opinion.

And yeah, I think Jeb is probably a spook. He clearly got the smarts in that generation of Bushes! Dubya is just "puppet material".

It is indeed fun to speculate. Better than sitting around worrying, I guess!

[DrDebug]

25. You can even speculate whether Dubya is spook

There are quite a number of indications that Jeb and Junior started working for dad in the family spook business, however just like Poppy's connections aren't very clear and many build on documents and memos where his name was mentioned, it is not definite proof.

The same applies to Jeb and Junior, however both sons worked at Stratford as their first job and they both had extremely vague job descriptions. And that was a weird company. In 1963 Poppy's Zapata Oil was sold to Robert Gow and Stratford was another company which he owned, but like many other BFEE companies it folded in a spectacular fashion and it later merged with Ralston-Purina and was split into Green Thumb Co. and Deco-Plants Co. and that's the last you can find about that company.

The job description of Junior was:

* flying planes to Florida to investigate plant nurseries
* flying to Guatemala and other places in Central and South America
* doing something with chicken manure fertilizer
* analyzing expansion possibilities for the chicken and egg business
* investigating the purchase of a mushroom farm in Pennsylvania and
management training

http://stuartbuck.blogspot.com/2004/06/bush-in-early-1970s.html

So that's very vague. And junior's next job was with Alaska International Industries and that company was rumored to be CIA front as well and it was later renamed Mark Air and involved used for drug smuggling ( http://www.madcowprod.com/mc5022004.html )

When Mr. Bush arrived in Fairbanks, Alaska International Industries was a fledgling business whose holdings included Alaska International Air, an air cargo company that was loading its giant Lockheed-382 Hercules airplanes, the civilian version of C-130's, with construction equipment and supplies and flying them to pipeline workers 24 hours a day.

The Times reported that a number of onetime employees say they found themselves doing contract work for the CIA. And the company’s President seemed to confirm their reports.

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/21/politics/21ALAS.html (Link only for subscribers nowadays)

But this is not proof, it is funny though that the first two jobs of George W. Bush are with weird companies who had several name changes and were involved in strange deals and then simply vanished like they never existed. And there are many big holes in the biography of both sons, so it could well be that they started in dad's line of business, ie. working for the spooks.

[CrazyOrangeCat]

27. great post . . . I didn't know that about Dubya

Though I have to laugh at the thought of him poking around a cave in the Alleghenies. "Yep, heckuva of job with these mushrooms! Maybe we can talk business . . . hey, y'all wanna buy some nose candy? Heh-heh!"

Or . . . "Heckuva job, Mr. Chickenshit Man. Wanna fly to Guatamela and score some blow? Heh-heh-heh . . ."

:evilgrin:

[hiley]

4. recommending

;)

[smitty]

5. The latest conspiracy theory

published in Granma, the voice of Fidel Castro. Give me a break.
Who killed Kennedy, who didn't? There's always a conspiracy theory du jure. Who killed Kennedy? Oswald, the Mafia, the CIA, the FBI, LBJ, right-wing Cubans, Fidel Castro, the Russians, the military-industrial complex, Joe DiMaggio and now the Bush family.

[CrazyOrangeCat]

8. Maybe you're right . . .

But . . . the part of the CIA (the "nation-builders" that propped up dictatorships all over the globe, for fear of Communism) was seriously pissed-off when Kennedy refused air-support in the beginning hours of the botched Bay of Pigs attack. There is documentation showing how furious the Dulles brothers, Nixon, etc. were at him.

[FreedomAngel82]

13. He also wanted to change the CIA

And they couldn't have that.

[FreedomAngel82]

12. If you want to know

you have to study what was going on at that time. Start with googling Operation Northwoods.

[goforit]

14. Hmmmm......the Earth is flat for some and always will be.

[dutchdemocrat]

19. Conspiracy

Right.

"conspiracy theory"

Meme of the week.

Why do I have to give you a break for?

I posted this ambiguously.

The problems with 'conspiracy theories' is that the word itself is abused by Republicans to discredit, successfully, any questioning of oil for war, 9-11, etc.

The problem with "give me a break" people like yourself - is by not providing a counter argument and shooting the messenger instead - you never develop any original ideas and remain a good puppet.

As for Cubans and commies - I noticed Chile just voted in a new 'left' leaning woman... what is that now? Five? Chavez, Lula, an Indian coca grower in Bolivia and now Chile - who'd all rather shake Castros hand than Georgie Boys.

European Social Democracy is a much nicer way to live - call it what you want but I have lived in the US and Europe - and I'll stay over here thanks.

[rman]

35. most of the "not Oswald" theories

do include to some extent all of the Mafia, the CIA, the FBI, right-wing Cubans, the military-industrial complex and the Bush family. And then some.

For starters, "right-wing Cubans" is a CIA product. And govt. agencies such as CIA and FBI are the product of a network of which BFEE is part, which also has connections to organized crime.
Which doesn't necessarily mean all of the CIA and FBI is bad - see leakers and whistleblowers.

[Jara sang]

7. George HW Bush Yale graduate

In "the early days" the CIA was recruiting from two areas. Catholic Universities(Notre Dame) and eastern establishment Ivy League schools(Yale). Bush most certainly had the pedigree to be picked up by CIA, he was in Skull & Bones as well, known for keeping secrets very well. The CIA was a war time organiztion(The OSS) that after WW II became a clearinghouse for the elite to strenghten it's hold on the world's banking system.

[FreedomAngel82]

9. Does anybody still have

the letter that Bush wrote to some Cuban guy telling him what a great job he has been doing of "telling the truth"? I have it on one of my many document discs but I thought it would go perfect in this thread.

[FreedomAngel82]

10. Do you also think

this has to do with Operation Northwoods? I wonder if Bush was involved with that.

[CrazyOrangeCat]

17. Someone . . .

. . . it may well have been Clara T . . . posted a chunk of an essay that dealt with GHWB and Northwoods.

[DrDebug]

21. Felix Rodriguez was involved in Operation 40

Therefore he could have been involved in later on with Operation Northwoods, but it never really started since JFK stopped the plan, so there was no groups designated to carry out the operation. Bush was more a kind of project manager, so he wouldn't have been assigned yet and Felix Rodriguez was one of the guys who carried out operation, so he wouldn't have been assigned either.

But you'll find the same group of people in Operation 40, Alpha 66, Group 5412 so it is often a subset of a larger group. We don't know what group was supposed to carry out Operation Northwoods, however it is very likely that it would have been picked from the same team as Operation 40.

---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
Rodriguez and Operation 40



This photograph was taken in a nightclub in Mexico City on 22nd January, 1963. It is believed that the men in the photograph are all members of Operation 40. Closest to the camera on the left is Felix Rodriguez. Next to him is Porter Goss and Barry Seal. Others in the picture are Alberto 'Loco' Blanco (3rd right) and Jorgo Robreno (4th right).

There is some dispute about who attempting to hide his face with his coat. According to John Simkin ( http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk ) it is Tosh Plumlee and according Hopsicker ( http://www.madcowprod.com/ ) it is Frank Sturgis.

http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Operation_40

Felix Rodriguez is an interesting character, he was also there when Che Guevara was arrested:

CIA Debriefing of Félix Rodríguez, June 3, 1975



When Che Guevara was executed in La Higuera, one CIA official was present--a Cuban-American operative named Félix Rodríguez. Rodríguez, who used the codename "Félix Ramos" in Bolivia and posed as a Bolivian military officer, was secretly debriefed on his role by the CIA's office of the Inspector General in June, 1975. (At the time the CIA was the focus of a major Congressional investigation into its assassination operations against foreign leaders.)

In this debriefing--discovered in a declassified file marked 'Félix Rodríguez' by journalist David Corn--Rodríguez recounts the details of his mission to Bolivia where the CIA sent him, and another Cuban-American agent, Gustavo Villoldo, to assist the capture of Guevara and destruction of his guerrilla band. Rodríguez and Villoldo became part of a CIA task force in Bolivia that included the case officer for the operation, "Jim", another Cuban American, Mario Osiris Riveron, and two agents in charge of communications in Santa Clara. Rodríguez emerged as the most important member of the group; after a lengthy interrogation of one captured guerrilla, he was instrumental in focusing the efforts to the 2nd Ranger Battalion focus on the Villagrande region where he believed Guevara's rebels were operating. Although he apparently was under CIA instructions to "do everything possible to keep him alive,"

Rodríguez transmitted the order to execute Guevara from the Bolivian High Command to the soldiers at La Higueras--he also directed them not to shoot Guevara in the face so that his wounds would appear to be combat-related--and personally informed Che that he would be killed. After the execution, Rodríguez took Che's Rolex watch, often proudly showing it to reporters during the ensuing years.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB5/che15_1.htm

Some trivia: He also stole Che Guevara's wristwatch as a trophy.

And he was dealing drugs as part of Iran-Contra in 1990.

During the spring and summer of 1990, the Iran-Contra investigation focused on the contra-resupply operation runs from Ilopango airbase in El Salvador. OIC undertook to establish the extent of U.S. Government knowledge of and participation in the Ilopango operation during the Boland prohibition on U.S. military aid. It was also important to determine U.S. Government knowledge of the contra-support activities of Felix Rodriguez, a former CIA officer who used the alias "Max Gomez" and who was in Central America ostensibly to assist the Salvadoran government's fight against communist guerrilla forces.

Following the October 5, 1986, shootdown of a contra-resupply aircraft which originated at Ilopango, Reagan Administration officials denied any U.S. Government connection to the flight. They also denied knowledge of "Max Gomez," whom American Eugene Hasenfus, upon his capture by Nicaraguan soldiers, had publicly identified as a CIA agent involved in the contra-resupply operation.

The continuing investigation sought to learn what Elliott Abrams, Clair George and Alan Fiers knew about the Ilopango operation and Rodriguez prior to their October 1986 appearances before congressional committees investigating the Hasenfus shootdown. Abrams, George and Fiers had denied that they were aware of who was behind the contra- resupply flights.

It was also important to determine what information was conveyed, and at how early a date, to the Vice President's national security adviser, Gregg, about Rodriguez's activities at Ilopango on behalf of the contras.

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/part_ii.htm

[bridgit]

18. the notion is out there...

http://john-f-kennedy.net/wantedfortreason.htm

http://www.sumeria.net/politics/kennedy.html

[pretzel4gore]

24. what no one can deny

Jack Kennedy was a popular catholic president who was apparently at odds with a few of the insider sets atop the america heirarchy-who they were is blah blah blah because ever since nov22/63 someone has been pumping fools gold into the mine which industrious (and oftentimes sincere) researchers then used to build sand castles that looked awful good but collapsed as soon as the fake info was exposed, or not....the kennedy murder frankly bores many people now, if only because the simple truth (that a cabal of upper class twits within natsec arranged the 'hit' in a public spectacle that served mainly to instill a sense of helpless powerlessness in our elected representatives, who themselves are so easily set up, ie: see nixon, carter, bill/monica, and who, as a profession, only pay lip service to the public while working mainly for themselves because they know the big decisions, such as nafta, or the war in iraq, or 911, or watergate, or the ken starr investigation, or kal007, or the 'october surprise, or the george juniorbush nov 7th 'tie' election etc are all decided by the same cabal of upper class twits and the pigmedia literally prostitute themselves cuz they also know the fix is in and that's that) the simple truth is that power does corrupt, no matter how hard the founding fathers tried to limit its effects, and corruption breeds arrogance etc, and bush junior is the upper class twittery saying, to us, to our representatives, "see, even a damn fool u.c.twit like junior will do as he pleases and you will suck in them bellies to afford his excesses, m'kay!"
if anyone remembers, back in the time of the jfk assasination, the news was running full bore for weeks, just like after 911, and every damn things they said was probably a lie, and known to be a lie. dan rather made his 'spurs' on the jfk assasination and he is still alive, if anyone really wants to know what happened, ie the simple truth, rather will tell you....

[nothingbut33]

28. Kennedy

When are we going to leave this subject lie? I saw a program on TV last night where they were trying to prove the conspiracy theory. All sorts of leads but nothing substantial.

Now having said this have they proved that the Mafia didn't do it? Monroe had ties to the Mafia in Florida as did one other sweetie Kennedy was bagging.

Both Kennedy boys were saddling Marilyn. Sad case.

nothingbut33

[Ani Yun Wiya]

34. When to put this to rest...

When all the film from the three news cameras on the scene that day is viewed without any creative editing!

Keep in mind that there were TWO camera crews following the motorcade.

I saw the first reports that day as well as ALL of the subsequent broadcasts.

The first time through had details not in later airings of the same footage...

[happydreams]

29. The investigator cited, Paul Kangas, was "suicided" (1999)

From above article:

Various sources coincide on the foregoing. Paul Kangas, a Californian private investigator, published an article containing part of his investigations in The Realist in 1990, in which he affirms that a newly discovered FBI document places Bush as working with the now famous CIA agent Félix Rodríguez on the recruitment of ultra-right wing exiled Cubans for the invasion of Cuba.



Paul Kangas death:

Paul Kangas allegedly committed suicide outside of Richard Mellon Scaife's offices in Pittsburgh on Feb. 8, 1999.


The CIA to the rescue

In the mid-1970s, at this historic low point in American conservatism, the CIA began a major campaign to turn corporate fortunes around.

They did this in several ways. First, they helped create numerous foundations to finance their domestic operations. Even before 1973, the CIA had co-opted the most famous ones, like the Ford, Rockefeller and Carnegie Foundations. But after 1973, they created more. One of their most notorious recruits was billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife. During World War II, Scaife's father served in the OSS, the forerunner of the CIA. By his mid-twenties, both of Scaife's parents had died, and he inherited a fortune under four foundations: the Carthage Foundation, the Sarah Scaife Foundation, the Scaife Family Foundations and the Allegheny Foundation. In the early 1970s, Scaife was encouraged by CIA agent Frank Barnett to begin investing his fortune to fight the "Soviet menace." (18) From 1973 to 1975, Scaife ran Forum World Features, a foreign news service used as a front to disseminate CIA propaganda around the world. Shortly afterwards he began donating millions to fund the New Right.

Scaife's CIA roots are typical of those who head the new conservative foundations. By 1994 the most active were:


more

http://mediamayhem.blogspot.com/2004_07_25_mediamayhem_archive.html

[Binka]

37. No That Was STEVE KANGAS This Is Paul Kangas Different Guy

http://www.nndb.com/people/764/000050614/

[nothingbut33]

30. Kennedy

One other item of interest concerning the Bay of Pigs. Remember, Kennedy left quite a few men on the beaches of Cuba when he decided against a full out assault.
A complete fiasco.

[CrazyOrangeCat]

31. Welcome to DU

Keep in mind, JFK was kept in the dark by the CIA about the Bay of Pigs invasion until TWO HOURS before the assault.

A fiasco, yes, but it hardly can be pinned on him. Would you have signed the paper to allow airstrikes . . . on that kind of notice? Wouldn't you have been pissed as hell, dug in your heels, said NO WAY, YOU ASSHOLES! ???

He can hardly be blamed that the assault forces landed in a swamp, either--thus assuring their capture.

On one hand, I can understand the argument that, "It's been forty-some years . . . time to let it go." Except for the fact that this same group of spooks and their younger underlings are still calling the shots for the most powerful nation on the planet. It is outrageous. And it isn't some nutty "conspiracy theory", like the Repukes would argue. Enough documents have found the light of day, that we can now "connect the dots".

[Octafish]

42. Bay of Pigs was COMPROMISED, Dulles gave it the "GO' anyway.

ACCORDING TO THE REPORT, SENIOR C-I-A OFFICIALS KNEW WELL BEFORE
THE INVASION TOOK PLACE THAT THE MISSION'S SECRECY HAD BEEN
COMPROMISED AND THAT IT WAS LIKELY TO FAIL. THE REPORT WAS SO
SENSITIVE THAT THEN-C-I-A DIRECTOR JOHN MCCONE HAD ALL BUT ONE
COPY OF IT BURNED.

SOURCE: http://www.fas.org/irp/news/1998/04/980417-pigs.htm

BTW: Welcome to DU, nothingbut33. There's a lot to learn about the Bay of Pigs. Thanks for adding.

[RagAss]

32. I read an interesting book 25 years ago in college....

re: the Bay of Pigs invasion and the operations leading up to it...."Give Us This Day"...I think that was the title....by E. Howard Hunt of Watergate era fame....I wonder if the book is still in print....surpringly revealing as I recall.

http://www.namebase.org/sources/QT.html

added link on edit.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

36. Video to watch online. JFKII The Bush Connection

http://www.internetbroadcasting.com/JFKII_the_bush/jfk_II.htm

you can also right click in video and play in Real Player, directly.

[Zinfandel]

49. Great DVD, truly...pappy Bush and his CIA, of course they had to get rid

of Kennedy...A major threat to their world domination. And here we are today!

The exact same people are now in the BushCo oil & arms cabal...

[BlueEyedSon]

39. You guys all know that the Zapruder film is a fake, right?

:evilgrin:

[Judi Lynn]

43. Thanks, dutchdemocrat. You've added more to the fund to consider!

I've only scanned your source briefly, will return to read it when I have more time: I already see some very worthy names included which should have been studied a long, long time ago.

Since the U.S. government doesn't seem likely to reveal the truth of this any time soon, interested people will just have to keep working away at this until the truth finally is uncovered.

[Octafish]

44. Gov tried to blame Cuba for Oswald, inventing evidence in Mexico City...

...Immediately after the assassination, word was spread that the CIA had photographed Lee Harvey Oswald entering the Cuban embassy in Mexico City. Oswald allegedly sought a visa he would use to exfiltrate from the US after Dallas. Here's the picture of the guy the CIA said was Oswald:



Gee. He doesn't look like Oswald.

If anybody, that fellow looks like a very strong fellah.

He's got the forearms of Tony Soprano.

The Framing of Lee Harvey Oswald

http://history-matters.com/frameup.htm

From Professor John Newman, more light:

Oswald, the CIA and Mexico City

By John Newman, Ph.D.
Copyright ©1999 by John Newman.
All Rights Reserved.

I. The Rosetta Stone

The Assassination Records Review Board finished its search more than a year ago—a search for records relating to the murder of a president thirty-six years ago. Surprisingly, the passage of time has not managed to erode or cover over all of the important evidence. On the contrary, the work of the Review Board has uncovered important new leads in the case. I will leave medical and ballistic forensics to others. I will confine myself to document forensics, an area for which the work of the board had been nothing less than spectacular. More specifically, I will confine myself to the documentary record concerning Lee Harvey Oswald’s 1963 visit to Mexico City.

In 1978, the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) completed its work, including a report on Oswald’s activities in Mexico written by Eddie Lopez and Dan Hardway. Our first glimpses of their report began shortly after the 1993 passage of the JFK Records Act. Not even all the redactions of those early versions could hide the seminal discoveries in that work. While Lopez couched his words in careful language, he suggested that Oswald might have been impersonated while he was in Mexico City just weeks before the assassination. Lopez was more forthright when I interviewed him about this in 1995. Armed with more CIA documents and the first Russian commentary (Nechiporenko’s book, Passport to Assassination), I went further in my own Oswald and the CIA (Carroll & Graf: 1995) in advancing the argument that Oswald was impersonated in the Mexican capitol. Specifically, someone pretending to be Oswald made a series of telephone calls between 28 September and 1 October, allegedly to and from the Cuban and Soviet consulates in Mexico City.

I concluded then, that, based on the content of the CIA Mexico City telephone transcripts alone, the speaker purporting to be Oswald was probably an impostor. I will not repeat my lengthy discussion here, other than to summarize it in this way: the speaker’s words were incongruous with the experiences we can be reasonably certain Oswald underwent. For reasons still obscure, the CIA has lied consistently for these past several decades about the tapes from which those transcripts were made. The Agency concocted the story that the tapes were routinely destroyed before the assassination. It is perhaps true that some tapes were destroyed before the assassination. But Lopez uncovered FBI documents containing detailed accounts of how two of the tapes were listened to after the assassination by FBI agents familiar with Oswald’s voice.

More evidence would come in time. Shortly after the passage of the JFK Records Act, the public gained access to a telephone transcript the day after the assassination in which FBI Director Hoover informs President Johnson that it is not Oswald’s voice on the tapes. The Review Board diligently followed these leads and settled the matter when they found CIA documents in which the Agency itself explicitly states that some of the tapes were reviewed after the assassination. The CIA’s continued silence on the matter of the tapes stands, like a giant beacon, pointing the way forward to the investigator. The impersonation of Oswald in Mexico by someone who drew attention to an Oswald connection to a KGB assassination officer may prove to be the Rosetta stone of this case.

Before going further, I once again pay tribute to Peter Dale Scott, who wrote of these matters as early as 1995, advancing his "Phase I-Phase II hypothesis" on largely deaf ears. I will not repeat his lengthy discussion here, other than to summarize it in this way: In Phase I, immediately after the assassination, previously planted evidence of a Cuban/Kremlin plot surfaced in Oswald’s files; this, in turn, precipitated Phase II, in which a lone-nut cover-up was erected to prevent a nuclear war.

CONTINUED MUST READ AND DISTRIBUTE...

http://www.webcom.com/ctka/pr999-osciamex.html

Thanks for the great article from Granma, DutchDemocrat! Great thread, DU!

[DrDebug]

45. A misguided group wanted to use Oswald as a justification for Cuba

This is the memo which mentions George Bush by name as a CIA operative. A first I didn't read it correctly and mainly focused on the George Bush part, but read it very carefully.

It is a memo written six (!) days after a meeting and it is send to the Department of State and carbon copied to the Naval Intelligence. As you probably know there are many indications that Lee Harvey Oswald used to be a part of Naval Intelligence. Often people talk about him being CIA, but I guess that is a common mistake and there is rivalry between the two spook groups.

Speculation:

So let's suppose that a George Bush (because later it was denied that this George Bush is George Bush but that it was a different George Bush) is involved with the JFK assassination since there is plenty of evidence to suggest involvement. There is even so much that it is almost beyond reasonable doubt. So Forsyth of the FBI had a meeting with a George Bush of CIA's Cuban Task Force the day after the assassination and he told him "that some misguided anti-Castro group might capitalize on the present situation and undertake an unauthorized raid against Cuba".

So what maybe he said that even though it seemed like a certain group got away with JFK and it seemed like there was no option but to cover the whole thing up, it didn't mean that they could use it to invade Cuba as well (See fake Oswald picture above), since the anti-Castro community didn't want it and the pro-Castro community didn't want it and the State Department didn't want it and the FBI didn't want it, so the "misguided anti-Castro group" better not do it.

[Octafish]

48. The memo shows Bush knew.

I like what you're saying DrDebug. A while back, a woman who knew Smirko from the Texas Air National Guard days indicated the little coward said he was a lousy pilot and the other pilots knew it. She said the crazy monkey was protected because he said his daddy was in the CIA. She was recalling the years 1971 or so. Without meaning to, she let out of the bag that Poppy was helping people push up daisies -- probably as part of Operation 40, seeing how his dingbat buddy Porter Goss managed to get into Congress and then Langley.

Fear of Flying: A Duval County Woman Says Nerves Ended W's National Guard Service In Texas

-- by Susan Cooper Eastman
From Folio Weekly, Jacksonville, FL

EXCERPT...

According to (Janet) Linke, a Jacksonville resident and artist, Bush's flying career was permanently disabled by a crippling fear of flying.

Linke's husband was admitted to the Texas Guard in the summer of 1972 to replace Bush. President Bush has said that he stopped flying fighter jets because the Alabama Guard unit didn't have jets, and he wanted to transfer to Alabama in order to work on a political campaign. But Linke says she heard a different story from her husband and Bush's squad commander, the late Lt. Col. Jerry Killian. Shortly after her husband joined the Texas unit, Linke says, the couple discussed Bush's service with Killian at a social event.

Contrary to some news reports that suggest Killian admired Bush, Linke says the officer didn't have much use for the young Lieutenant. He mentioned that Bush appeared to have a drinking problem, she recalls, but he was most offended by another incapacity: his fear of flying. According to Linke, Killian said Bush was grounded in his fourth year of flying after he became incapable of flying or properly landing a plane.

"He was mucking up bad, Killian told us," Linke says. "He just became afraid to fly."

SNIP...

For Linke, W's auxiliary service has become a very personal flashpoint. Linke's husband died while serving in the Texas Guard in 1973 after drinking at the officer's club. He nodded off at the wheel, drove into a lake and drowned. Linke was 27 years old with a 3-year-old son. She didn't know much about who W was then; his family was not on the national radar. "We were told his father was very wealthy Texan with CIA connections."

After Bush became President, to the swelling sounds of military music and war cries, Linke found herself unable to shake her memory of Bush's abrupt departure from military service. When she saw him swoop onto an aircraft carrier wearing a green flight suit, she thought about that 1972 conversation with Killian. But it wasn't until the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth advertisements questioning John Kerry's military service began airing in Jacksonville that she became incensed and decided to speak up. "At least Kerry served," she says. "Bush stepped aside. Anyone else who was AWOL like that would have been in Leavenworth, and here he is president of the United States."

Linke, who voted for George Bush's dad, insists she's not just anti-Bush or anti-Republican. But she's unhappy with W's presidency. After the passage of the Patriot Act, Linke and a girlfriend made T-shirts that said, "One Nation Under Surveillance." And in early September, after seeing a swift boat ad, she went to the Duval County Democratic Party headquarters to pick up Kerry-Edwards signs and chose to volunteer her story. Democratic Party officials contacted Folio Weekly the same day. Linke spoke to Folio Weekly before the White House released Bush's flight logs, which appear to substantiate her story.

CONTINUED...

http://www.legitgov.org/essay_eastman_bush_fear_of_flying_in_guard_092304.html

Another reason, Bush has been the tip of the spear for the War Party since Dallas. For 43 years soon the nation has been under the thrall of the Bush-Harriman-Dulles-Wall Street-Militar-Intelligence-Industrial-Congressional complex.Soon after Dallas, the KGB cleaned house of their peacenik chairman, Nikita Kruschev. His crime? Negotiating peaceably with JFK. Constant war justifies their existence, too.

[T Town Jake]

47. It stretches back to the Gunpowder Plot. It's truly that VAST...

(n/t)

[Horse with no Name]

50. This is also interesting

http://www.tarpley.net/bush8b.htm

Hints of the covert presence of George Bush are scattered here and there around the Bay of Pigs invasion. According to some accounts, the code name for the Bay of Pigs was Operation Pluto. 4 But Bay of Pigs veteran Howard Hunt scornfully denies that this was the code name used by JM/WAVE personnel; Hunt writes: "So perhaps the Pentagon referred to the Brigade invasion as PLUTO. CIA did not." 5 But Hunt does not tell us what the CIA code name was, and the contents of Hunt's Watergate era White House safe, which might have told us the answer, were of course "deep-sixed" by FBI Director Patrick Gray. One code name frequently used by CIA Miami Station personnel appears to have been "Don Eduardo," roughly the Spanish equivalent of "Mr. Edward" or perhaps "Mr. Ed." 6

According to reliable sources and published accounts, the CIA code name for the Bay of Pigs invasion was Operation Zapata, and the plan was so referred to by Richard Bissell of the CIA, one of the plan's promoters, in a briefing to President Kennedy in the Cabinet Room on March 29, 1961. 7 Does Operation Zapata have anything to do with Zapata Offshore? The run-of-the-mill Bushman might respond that Emiliano Zapata, after all, had been a public figure in his own right, and the subject of a recent Hollywood movies starring Marlon Brando. As J. Hugh Liedtke had observed, he was the classic figure for the revolutionary-cum-bandit. A more knowledgeable Bushman might argue that the main landing beach, the Playa Giron, is located south of the city of Cienfuegos on the Zapata Peninula, on the south coast of Cuba.

Then there is the question of the Brigade 2506 landing fleet, which was composed of five older freighters bought or chartered from the Garcia Steamship Lines, bearing the names of Houston, Rio Esondido, Caribe, Atlantic, and Lake Charles. In addition to these vessels, which were outfitted as transport ships, there were two somewhat better armed fire support ships, the Blagar and the Barbara. (In some sources Barbara J.) 8 The Barbara was originally an LCI (Landing Craft Infantry) of earlier vintage. Our attention is attracted at once to the Barbara and the Houston, in the first case because we have seen George Bush's habit of naming his combat aircraft after his wife, and, in the second case, because Bush was at this time a resident, booster, and Republican activist of Houston, Texas. But of course, the appearance of names like "Zapata," Barbara, and Houston can by itself only arouse suspicion, and proves nothing.