**Official Thread - Bolton Confirmation Hearing Thread 2**

[Viva_La_Revolution]

Thread one here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1744151


Boxer's up!

[Solly Mack]

1. checking in...Thanks for the threads, VLR!!!!!

Listening to Boxer

[Viva_La_Revolution]

9. no better way to spend my day off

than hangin out with you guys, watching CSPAN. :hug:

[Norquist Nemesis]

2. Thanks! n/t

[mikelgb]

3. joining late

[malaise]

4. Boxer doesn't see what Israel is doing as

aggression? Good fugging grief.

[Norquist Nemesis]

5. For the first time, I think I understand what they may be trying to do

I haven't understood the Dems getting all huffy like they did; Boxer's statements are leading me to believe that they're running an IOKIYAR opposition strategy.

[LSK]

6. IOKIYAR ??

I think Im getting it too because shes going along the lines of what Dean said yesterday too.

I think the gist of is that we are supposedly fighting a global war on terror and yet the new leader of Iraq has failed to condemn Hezbollah as a terrorist group and yet we support the new Govt of Iraq with billions of dollars and the lives of our soldiers.

Its a condemation of the whole Bush doctrine in a roundabout way.

Why is the Dem message always so complicated?

[Norquist Nemesis]

12. Didn't catch Dean yesterday

:( It's looking like a strategy is beginning to emerge...convoluted as it is.

[LSK]

13. so are you getting from them what Im getting?

[Norquist Nemesis]

18. Yeah, I think so

Can't come up with a better explanation at this point.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

7. IOKIYAR?

Maybe I need more coffee...

[Norquist Nemesis]

10. It's the only thing I can figure out

:shrug: Dunno

Flip-flop, flim-flam, change like the wind is perfectly OK If You Are A Republican.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

20. aahhh

:thumbsup:

[bdamomma]

44. it seems like they are all supporting this strike against

Lebanon than calling a ceasefire, I want a ceasefire, we all want a ceasefire, don't we???

[Solly Mack]

8. Boxer asking about the "with us or against us" statement

by Bush regarding terrorism ( a preface for her point)

Boxer giving out stats on deaths/wounded since that remark and mounting money cost

her point:

why are giving money to Iraq when they aren't with us? (based on Iraqi PM comments and ambassador comments)



OK. Sorry...but what is happening in Iraq is people being killed under the guise of spreading democracy and I can't pretend it's not...my conscience will not allow me to do so.

Yes, I fully understand the strategy being used. It's not as if it's hard to grasp.. it's not even a case of it not being obvious or predictable. The GOP strategy is also obvious and predictable (in regards to responses of the Iraqi PM's comments and how that speaks to the entire Iraqi/Bush policy mess...one side screaming Iraq is a democracy (making Bush's invasion of Iraq a success) and the PM remarks prove it...the other side is saying, Bush created a country that is in contradiction to America's interests and Bush's war on terror..that American blood and American money were spent to create a government that supports terrorism)

Bush lied and America illegally invading a country. America is now illegally occupying that same country. America has committed war crime on top of war crime in Iraq...and not just in Iraq either. I can't pretend to embrace any other reality.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

11. Nelson up

[Democrat 4 Ever]

14. What just happened? Everyone laughing - and everyone claiming

they are not responsible. Something is "distracting" and they need buckets. What on earth? Iquiring minds are dying to know.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

19. I don't know

the camera was on Bolton...

[Solly Mack]

22. Don't know...heard the laughter and comment but didn't see

what caused it

[Solly Mack]

25. ceiling must be leaking

gathered from the comment "let's hope it's rain water and not something else"

[Norquist Nemesis]

15. What just happened?

I've been listening more than watching.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

16. What the hell just happened?

is something dripping from the ceiling?

WTF?

[Joanne98]

17. delete

[Norquist Nemesis]

21. Nelson: Is there going to be a resolution against Iran with teeth?

You're supposed to be the guy who can get things done.

Bolton: Senator, blah, blah, blah, blah, very important we make it clear to Iran, blah, blah, blah, two steps, blah blah, firm in that resolve, blah, blah

[Viva_La_Revolution]

23. Obama up

More joking about whatever we missed...

[The Witch]

24. Whatever it is, it isn't rain- not raining here in DC!!!

it's beautiful here in DC...

[Norquist Nemesis]

29. Water (or some liquid) can be heard dripping

Someone just made the comment about 'hoping' it's water. LOL!

[Viva_La_Revolution]

26. something dripping on Obama

he moves seat... Is it a water leak?

[Norquist Nemesis]

27. *gasp* There's leaks in the ceiling

Sorry, innuendo implied

Obama asking about funding; Bolton comes back with: Well my name is spelled 'tol' not 'ten' and I was not head of the OMB...

What an ass!

[The Witch]

28. the leakers should be fired!!!

:rofl:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

30. ...

:spray:

It's a sign! The Plame leaker is in that room! :rofl:

[Norquist Nemesis]

31. Too bad they left their hip boots in the ante room

It's getting pretty deep in there!

You guys are too funny! :rofl:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

32. News Reports on the hearings...

Democrats: Bolton still a 'bully'

Sen. Christopher Dodd, a Connecticut Democrat, cited recent press reports on Bolton's interactions with other U.N. officials as evidence that Bolton "clearly has an aversion in my view to building consensus."

A Senate Foreign Relations Committee confirmation hearing for Bolton, who has been serving as ambassador under a recess appointment, twice was interrupted by protesters shouting that he did not effectively represent U.S. interests.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1745506



Bolton: "There is no basis for peace in the Middle East now."


Lincoln Chafee Shoves Bolton Around on his "Terrorism" Simple-Mindedness and on Israel-Palestine

Senator Chafee started off reading a Bolton statement that he made in the past where Bolton essentially blamed terrorism as the fundamental problem in the Middle East. Chafee said to Bolton: "You are a brilliant man. Terrorism is a device. Your statement makes no sense. Explain it."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1745471

[Norquist Nemesis]

33. Kerry up. Disagreement over this resolution, that resolution

Bolton getting testy. I wonder if there's gin in that glass.

[LSK]

34. Kerry spanking him on North Korea with the FACTS

[Viva_La_Revolution]

37. "Sir, with all do respect"

Kerry questioning his moral perceptions! :rofl:

[karynnj]

45. great job

[blm]

35. He thought he had the hearing in the bag, then Kerry showed up to disperse

that illusion. GOPs scheduled SBA meetings at the same time to get rid of Kerry for this hearing since he's ranking member there.

He's really getting to Bolton.

[Sydnie]

36. Made it just in time to hear Kerry

Get him Kerry!

[Viva_La_Revolution]

38. hey Syd!

Missed ya! :hug:

[Sydnie]

39. Hi Viva

Looks like I missed a good hearing.

Missed you too. :hug:

Why aren't you at work today? :shrug: :rofl:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

42. First day off since last Thursday!

I sure needed it! We had to kick serious Contractor butt to get back on Schedule for the Corporate walk through this morning.

[Sydnie]

43. I am so glad to hear that it is working out for you

You deserve a day off then!

[LSK]

40. "Resolution 1559 was not a priority and look where we are now"

Kerry rules! :D

[blm]

46. TayTay had a great rundown in Kerry forum.

the gal can transcribe.....

BtB Bolton the Bastard
JK: What are your views on UN after all this time?
BtB: Nothing new. I knew everything before hand. It is a nest of vipers. I was right.
JK: What reforms does the UN need to make it affective.
BtB: I don't know, maybe policy stuff, if everone agreed with us, you know that kind of thing.
JK: North Korea, what happene with the South Koreans
BtB: Ahm, we got the Russians, honest.
JK: Ahm, no they didn't
BtB: Ahm, they did.
JK: Yeah, right!
BtB: Honest to Gawd, really. Sort of, on our signing statements when no means yes and stuff like that.
JK: Security Council needs to speak under Capter 7 to make a binding resolution. I insist ona res under Cap 7, making sanctions mandatory. The Japanese agree. Ahm, what happened. This was not a mandatory res.
BtB: No, we were right and everyone loves us and agrees with us.
JK: You don't have anyone.
BtB: We do too. You are just not seeing it right, here, have some koolaid, it's good. North Korea has no one to eat lunch with now. We fixed them good, they know we are wicked mad at them. So there, Mr. Smarty-pants.
JK: Res 7 demands that NK stop activities on missiles. You don't have sanctions.
BtB: We didn't want no stinking sanctions.
JK: What?
BtB: Ahm, up is down and right is left. We had sanctions, honest, we just called them potato chips. Same thing.
JK: Ahm, North Korea did test a missile, ahm, how come you couldn't get anyone to agree with the US.
BtB: No, we got everything we wanted, we just didn't want anything we couldn't get. That way, we can never lose. Geesh, it's not rocket sci..... ahm, hard.
JK: Ahm we all knew NK would do what they did. Where were you?
BtB: Ahm, so say you. According to my book it did not.
JK: Clinton got agreements and no plutonium was processed. Ahm, under you guys, they have been going crazy getting nuke material. What gives? You know, it sucks to be us because no one loves us anymore and think we are run by idiots. sigh. Why insist on six-party talks process when you don't mena it and won't address fundamental issues.
BtB: tap dance, tap dance, tap dance, Ahm, they didn't know what we meant before we meant it.
JK: NK wants to know that the US won't invade and occupy them. If you held their hand a bit and told them we have no intention of invading them, maybe they will be nice to you?
Why can't you guys talk to anyone, Syria, etc.
BtB: We didn't have six party talks for six years.
JK: Yeah, word. Wonder why.
BtB: We can't have six party talks cuz the NK doesn't want them. It's not our fault. NK should try and speak up and make their case to us, right! Ball is in their court.
JK: Ahm, it's called diplomacy stupid. Offer them something. You scared the crap out of them and they bulked up militarily to try and ward us off.
We used diplomacy before. Why don't you try something different and actually talk to them rather than just waving them off and blaming them for everything.
Coleman: Meanie! Stop questioning my buddy here. You're making him look bad.
BtB: Ahm, North Korea has had every opportunity to be nice and come and have dinner with us. They are pukes and won't do it.
JK: North Koreans, about 6 years ago wanted a deal. You guys stiffed them. Now you are reaping what you sowed.
JK: What did you do at the UN about any of this.
BtB: Ahm, I have done a lot, I filed paperwork. Go read it. I talked about it earlier, but you were late. You snooze, you lose.
Coleman: Geez, that was fun, not.

[LSK]

41. CSPAN guy just said it was a leak

[blm]

47. Kick for pm crowd

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[oasis]

48. Thanks.

:hi: