Gen Micheal Hayden, on C-SPAN, giving EXCUSES for the NSA spying!

[in_cog_ni_to]

He's on NOW! :hi:

[Connie_Corleone]

1. C-SPAN LINK

http://www.c-span.org/watch/index.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS

[Skidmore]

2. Do you wish you had his job?

He seems to think we all do.

[zanne]

3. C-Span has been in full spin mode lately.

Since Jan. 1, C-Span has had a decidedly conservative bent.

[in_cog_ni_to]

4. He's explaining, LIVE, why being spied on is a GOOD thing.

:eyes: This shit is going to backfire, BIG TIME! No one wants to be spied on.

[FreedomAngel82]

19. Oh yes

Being paranoid is a nice dream of mine.

[liveoaktx]

32. Power... and secrecy.... Powerful in its capabilities and secretive in its

interests......

The ONLY way the NSA can TARGET people is by spying on ALL communications and then data-mining the rest.

[liveoaktx]

38. Maybe the question is, SHOULD THE NSA be SPYING ON US... at all

After watching Enemy of the State this weekend, I got to thinking that Bush was just using something that was already out there, and apparently NSA isn't constrained by avoiding spying on Americans. I think they should be.

[in_cog_ni_to]

5. They're keeping us SAFE by spying on us. Oh, I feel better now!

Don't you? :eyes:

[SammyWinstonJack]

28. Spying on us and still they haven't caught Osama.

:yoiks: Maybe they are wasting their time spying on 'Mericans, when they should be out looking for George's bestest bud. :think:

[liveoaktx]

42. "Easily within my power" by Executive order 12333 signed in 1981

[Coexist]

6. But you'll never notice it - check this thread!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2385697

I'm still giggling.

[in_cog_ni_to]

7. LOL.... I "SEE!"

:7

[in_cog_ni_to]

8. I wonder if he'll mention the Quakers in FL. or the Peace activist? n/t

[Skidmore]

9. So this cowboy thinks he's all that stands between us

and the great abyss.

Guys like this creep me out. Take their toys away from them. If we didn't have characters like this in every nation, perhaps the world would stand a chance at peace. Instead, we have swaggerers like this man who see shadows and threat everywhere.

[librechik]

10. "inadvertent collection" (emails, calls) never read

trust us

And also, I have a bridge in Brooklyn....

[moondust]

11. He's pretending terrorism started on 9/11.

Using Bush's "two different worlds" before and after 9/11 meme. I haven't heard him or anybody else come up with a legitimate excuse for circumventing FISA oversight.

[EFerrari]

13. Is he also pretending they started spying after 9/11

because that is an L I E

[liveoaktx]

51. Wah! Wah! 9/11 Commission criticized the NSA's ability to even collect

good information.

[kentuck]

12. Of course, he would never lie...

Why would anyone think such a thing??

[EFerrari]

15. His mouth is moving? n/t

[liveoaktx]

53. "Inadvertent Collection" on US citizens

expunged IF......

But who has oversight of this program?

[Kindigger]

14. What a smug turd

I feel like I'm in kindergarten class. This man is scaring me. :scared: :puke:

[EFerrari]

16. And the smugger Rumsfeld is claiming that he "defers"

to top generals in these matters in the crawl, no less.

[gumby]

24. Yep, kindergarten class.

Look kiddies, the NSA is good for you, the NSA loves you, the NSA just wants to protect you from the bad guys.

[liveoaktx]

45. What a WHINER "I feel like I have to stand up here and explain"

boo-hooo

You do, ass.

[in_cog_ni_to]

17. WAYNE MADSEN!!!! Question. LOL!!!!

:bounce:

[spanone]

18. I guess they've invented new words to go between 'legal' and 'illegal'

'sorta' legal? 'quasi' legal?

[kentuck]

20. He admits they did not go to FISA?

Did you not break the law? He blames the Attorney General !

[librechik]

26. he insists he has 2 paths, both legal: one involves warrants, one not!

yeah, he's been told it's legal, so stop yer whining.

[in_cog_ni_to]

40. He was asked if what they're doing is legal? He refused to answer.

He said the JD would have to answer that? LOL!!! They broke the law and know they broke the law. This guy is a LOSER!

[underpants]

21. Eewwww where are da WABBITS?

Sorry couldn't resist

[liveoaktx]

50. Have to wonder if Jon Voight was cast after looking at Hayden

for "Enemy of the State"

[underpants]

54. Caught the last 20 minutes of that on Saturday

Born on 9/11/40 huh?

[Skidmore]

22. Trying to reassure everyone that they aren't interested

in any communications beyond those for AQ. Tell that to the Quaker group.

[liveoaktx]

23. The book "State of War" says Hayden was upset after "Enemy of the State"

came out and went on a PR stump to reassure people they weren't getting spied upon. He didn't like the idea that people would think the NSA was big, bad, etc.

Looks like he's back on the PR stump.

[librechik]

25. "I'm part of the faith community too" ??? (he says to a black minister)

saying they are frightened about domestic spying

Military Theocracy?? ah, jeez

[Skidmore]

27. "It's focused. It's targeted. You shouldn't worry."

That's what the man said. I repeat, tell that to the Quaker group.

[librechik]

30. only the president's enemies need to worry

"this is not a drift net" yeah, I bet--

[EFerrari]

36. and the grannies and the peace moms. n/t

[liveoaktx]

29. Who's in the audience? Is that Bamford?

[in_cog_ni_to]

31. This guy is AWESOME! Challenging the General to a debate! LOL!

Me thinks the General was PISSED OFF. :7

[librechik]

33. he ignores the question about targeting the political foes

[Viva_La_Revolution]

34. "Are you targeting opponants of the Bush regime"?

refused to answer!!!!

[ArmchairMeme]

35. Q & A

Are you targeting specific groups opposed to Bush? No answer
Are you assuming the power to wiretap under the alleged unitary powers of the president? Twitching over and over. Might defer this to lawyers - we are doing this within the law.

A lot of good questions are being asked.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

37. this is so weird

if this is supposed to be the first shot in the offensive supporting bush's spying,

it isn't going too well.

[kentuck]

52. Good point...

Think of how well Gonzalez will do tomorrow?

[Skidmore]

39. This needs to stop. Start slamming Congress.

Investigations now!

[EFerrari]

41. This is such a mistake. This tape will wind up in a courtroom

as evidence.

[Kindigger]

43. Why did he just say

the FISA court had to have all the information in front of them to make a decision, and that it takes a long time to fill out the paperwork?

I thought they could go ahead with surveillance, and get a FISA warrant afterward?

[liveoaktx]

44. That also contradicts what he said about having all this power since 1981

with Executive order 12333

[in_cog_ni_to]

47. They CAN get the warrants AFTER THE FACT. Their excuses don't hold water.

They were spying ILLEGALLY and that is why they didn't go to FISA. They are so screwed. This is backfiring.

[phoebe]

46. he denied that Al-Queda was even planning an attack in US prior to 9/11

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&startpos=1500#a101702hayden

snip

NSA Director Michael Hayden testifies before the 9/11 Congressional Inquiry that the “NSA had no that al-Qaeda was specifically targeting New York and Washington ... or even that it was planning an attack on US soil.” Before 9/11, the “NSA had no knowledge ... that any of the attackers were in the United States.” Supposedly, a post-9/11 NSA review found no intercepts of calls involving any of the 19 hijackers. Yet, in the summer of 2001 (see Summer 2001), the NSA intercepted communications between Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, and hijacker Mohamed Atta, when he was in charge of operations in the US. What was said between the two has not been revealed. The NSA also intercepted multiple phone calls from Abu Zubaida, bin Laden's chief of operations, to the US in the days before 9/11 (see Early September 2001). But who was called or what was said has not been revealed.



on edit - rather odd that these "new" rules to wiretap were supposedly put in place b4 9/11 and yet he denied that the NSA had picked up any vital information on the terrorists prior to 9/11..when in fact, NSA had..

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

48. Bamford is in line for questions!!!

[kentuck]

49. Trust us. Would we lie?

We don't need no stinking oversight...

[in_cog_ni_to]

55. Knight Ridder reporter.

They must have "probable cause" for warrant...detour around FISA via "reasonable belief" instead. The General is trying to say what they have been doing is "reasonable" and it's the "Constitutional standard." :eyes:

[Skidmore]

56. Can someone with access to teevee media let us know

how this is relayed to the public via the broadcast media?