GOP Spin alert re: Bush's illegal wiretapping

[LuckyTheDog]

An interesting new spin is developing on the issue of Bush's illegal wiretapping. The RW pundits are trying to say that the "liberals" don't want the NSA listening in on terrorists. That way, they get to say things like: "All I can say is thank you Mr. President for protecting us! And shame on those who put the privacy of terrorists ahead of our safety!" :crazy:

That's crap, and they know it. All anybody wants is for Bush to obey the law and work with the FISA Court -- or ask Congress to change the law. We MUST make that clear in letters to the editor, Web postings, calls to talk shows, etc.

The message should include this: "Presidents cannot just disobey laws passed by Congress whenever they choose. And when they do, Congress has an obligation to impeach."

The right-wing is great at framing. But then, it's easier to do when you are willing to lie outright. We must counter this spin with the truth.

:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

[Supersedeas]

1. keep an eye on how soft Dem voices turn out in Corp Media 'debates'

[Dr Fate]

6. Which channels are banning Kerry, Dean, Harry Reid or Hillary?

Which national hosts are refusing the calls from top Democratic PR people?

[SammyWinstonJack]

2. That doesn't even sound good. In fact it sounds childish.

Just what I would expect out of right wing nut jobs.

[BOSSHOG]

3. The oath of enlistment of our men and women in uniform sums it up

very nicely

I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES FROM ALL ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC.

Since conservatives don't give a flying dog fuck about constitutional liberties, they will certainly accept bush and his band of pirates spying on whomever, for whatever reason. In other words, bush and his supporters are domestic enemies of the constitution.

[shance]

4. They're not great at framing. They just own the Media Industrial Complex.

They could belch repeatedly on t.v. and it would get prime time coverage, and Chris Matthews calling it "presidential".

[NanceGreggs]

5. And the Dem response is (or should be) too obvious for words ...

"Liberals don't want the NSA listening in on terrorists ..."

"No, on the contrary; Liberals WANT the NSA listening in on terrorists. That's why we whole-heartedly support the idea of going to the FISA court to obtain the necessary warrants to do so."

[jedicord]

15. Exactly. An anti-wiretapping guy called into Rush's stand-in...

yesterday. He brought up a very coherent argument against wiretapping. But the stand-in asked him this question:

"If you are the President and find a dangerous terrorist and want to have him wiretapped, but the judge says no, what would you do?"

The poor guy didn't have an answer. So the stand-in accused him of allowing a terrorist's plan to destroy us go unchecked.

I was screaming to the radio: "If the judge says no - you must not have enough evidence that the guy is a dangerous terrorist! THAT's why the judge said no! Not because he was against wiretapping, only that he was against wiretapping INNOCENT American citizens! Which is the point here!"

:banghead:

[kerry-is-my-prez]

7. and if they repeat this often enough - more people will believe it....

n/t

[yknot]

8. This spin will be blown to smithereens when the list reveals

the skewed ratio of law abiding American citizens to actual terrorist suspects. They were spying us to protect themselves.

[Evergreen Emerald]

9. If they were listening in on terrorists, they would have used FISA

Every argument they have had so far is weak and unsustainable. Executive power, congessional approval, needing speed, protecting America, only listening to terrorists.

There arguments ARE nearly only burps.

[BuyingThyme]

10. You got it, LuckyTheDog.

And the truth is, every time Bush goes chips away at our freedoms, he wins another victory for what he calls terra.

Freedom for Iraq, tyranny for America.

[MN ChimpH8R]

11. The only comprehensible reason Chimpco would do this

is because they wanted to go on a fishing expedition against dissent. All that's required to get a warrant from the FISA court is a name and a coherent (if not justified) reason for issuing the warrant. Clearly, Chimpy wants the NSA to look at tens of thousands of people (or more) just to see what they are saying. Full blown neo-Nazism/Stalinism, but I'd expect nothing less from the Imperial Chimptard and Darth Cheney.

[Oceansaway]

12. thanks...n/t

[Toots]

13. Not terrorist until proved guilty in court of law

Until that time they are only suspects and guaranteed the Rights granted to every American under the US Constitution. What is it about the Constitution that GOP does not like?

[MrMonk]

14. "Does the New York Times want admitted terrorists to go free?"

Topic on last night's show on some fake news channel, displayed at the bottom of the screen.

[spanone]

16. Law trumps spin. What Bush* did was illegal. All the spin in the world..

ain't gonna make it legal. King George does as he wishes. Fuck us American people.