Senate Hearings S3930 (Kennedy/Rockefeller/Byrd Amends) -- THREAD 9

[MrCoffee]

Watch on CSPAN2

Thread 1 Senate hearings on Military hearings of detaines Official thread -- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Senate hearings on S3930 (Specter-Leahy Amend) -- THREAD 2 --
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Senate hearings on S3930 (Specter Amend -- FAILED) -- THREAD 3 -- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Senate Hearings on Torture Bill (debating Rockefeller Amend) -- THREAD 4 -- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Senate Hearings on Torture Bill (Kennedy & Rockefeller Amends) -- THREAD 5 -- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Senate Hearings S3930 (Kennedy/ Rockefeller/Byrd Amends) -- THREAD 6 -- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Senate Hearings S3930 (Kennedy/ Rockefeller/Byrd Amends) -- THREAD 7 --
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Senate Hearings S3930 (Kennedy/Rockefeller/Byrd Amends) -- THREAD 8 --
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2247201&mesg_id=2247201

[KittyWampus]

1. these Amendments wouldn't be occuring unless Reid made a deal

[KoKo]

12. What I heard was that Amendments would replace Fillibuster...

and at this point fillibuster is a waste of time. Better they got their Amendments on the record than to spend all day and night "talking" when they could get out of town to campaign.

It would have been better if DEMS WALKED OUT...but I know they couldn't do that because the "public" would see them as "cut and run." :-(

[fooj]

45. I don't buy that argument.

I know that it isn't YOUR argument.B-)

I don't buy it. How is protecting and defending the constitution "cutting and running"...

How is defending Habeus Corpus dating back to the 1200's "cutting and running"...

I say they WALK. The bill has already been ruled UNCONSTITUTIONAL by the SCOTUS therefore its passing is illegitimate.

Am I "out there" or would that work?

[Pirate Smile]

28. Right. It would have been can you sustain a filibuster or it is a

straight up and down vote.

Reid's options were limited. He had to make a choice based on which was more likely to work.

Based on everything I've seen and heard, the Amendments had a better shot then a filibuster.

Reid said on Ed Schultz that he did not have the votes for a filibuster.

The news channels are NOT covering this at all. Today they spent hours just showing the search for somebody who shot a couple of deputies.

This is a very sad day but put the blame where it belongs - on the Republicans.

[buddhamama]

2. we have the numbers for a filibuster

[gully]

4. huh?

I heard we didn't?

[MrCoffee]

9. we apparently have 48 No votes on the bill...that's enough to stop cloture

[rodeodance]

i started the next thread but my dial up is so so SLOW--thanks

[mom cat]

64. Damned right!

[Cameron27]

7. One more amendment to go & then we'll see

[Greeby]

3. They're not gonna let these pass

Reid, fuck your deals, all NO on the cloture vote

[MrCoffee]

5. i'm not ruling out a filibuster just yet.

i'm an optimist. and probably delusional.

[BelgianMadCow]

10. I like you then

:-)

I'm those two + idealist and naive at times

[Cameron27]

Me three

[buddhamama]

16. here Mr.Coffee. it's on me

[MrCoffee]

29. lmfao, ty.

[buddhamama]

22. i'm an optimist too

[bdamomma]

6. thanks for starting a new thread

I called Senator Reed's (RI) office again. God this is terrible we got to get this.

[malaise]

27. Go Teddy Kennedy ! n/t

[gully]

8. remember to k & r folks.

eom

[MrCoffee]

11. can you guys rec the thread so it makes it to the Greatest page?

i don't have all the links up yet to the earlier threads, and switching over is confusing enough.

Thanks.

[Nictuku]

14. Done

[MrCoffee]

21. ty. welcome to the party!

[Cameron27]

18. done

[KittyWampus]

19. no problem, I hope for a filibuster attempt but think it's already been

agreed upon it won't happen.

[KittyWampus]

13. how do Senators get Amendments drawn up in time, anyway?

do they get to see the actual legislation GOP'ers have?

[LSK]

15. thanks I wasnt sure if I was going to be around

Im in and out right now

[LSK]

24. 47-52?

[rodeodance]

17. Dems made a deal yesterday NOT to filly if can have amendments.

[speedoo]

32. Just giving themselves cover, I guess.

Fucking cowards.

[trashcanistanista]

33. Why can't they renig?

They have nothing to lose.

[Scoot420fla]

20. Byrd Defeated 47-52

[MrCoffee]

Byrd Amendment Reconsidered and Tabled

[Cameron27]

23. Go Teddy Go

[rodeodance]

25. ohmy oh my DAMM

[rodeodance]

31. Kennedy holding up Army Field manual.

[countryjake]

He's been waving that thing all day!

[pberq]

26. Byrd ammendment lost - 47-52

[BelgianMadCow]

30. Kennedy is going off again!!!

he is close to the breaking point. And rightly so.

[Greeby]

35. If his breaking point includes smacking the smirk off these Repukes

Go Ted go! :bounce:

[BelgianMadCow]

49. think it does - better named it boiling point

and old tree doesn't break easily. His amendement gives Dems perfect ammo to blast repubs as endangering US military lives. Very very smart.

[MrCoffee]

34. I think they scheduled this one last on purpose, i think this is gonna be

the definative vote count for whether they're gonna filibust the bill. This amendment forces the pukes to fess up to what they are doing.

[importDavid]

38. i think you're right...

maybe they'll throw us a cookie for this last one so we'll quietly let them go home... (rolleyes)

[Marie26]

43. I can't undestand how anyone,

Rep. or Dem., could vote against this amendment. Who's against protecting American troops? Why are the Republicans trying to defeat it? I'm missing something here.

[MrCoffee]

it's BRILLIANTLY drafted

pukes don't want it because they'll have to admit to torture.

[never cry wolf]

48. This gives ammo to every dem senatorial candidate

If the pukes vote it down, they don't support our troops and others working for the government overseas. If they vote for it the specific definitions of torture are built into the bill as war crimes, many of which bushco have already violated.

[Marie26]

54. Clever! nt

[BelgianMadCow]

56. Ding Ding

I subscribe to that. Posted it in all previous threads as well. It is a brilliant amendment.

[MrCoffee]

57. that's the main reason for it, imho

[trashcanistanista]

62. I am trying to hold onto your optimism.

It's not over until its over.

[MrCoffee]

36. k.

[rodeodance]

37. oh warner--go take a hike

[rodeodance]

44. voting on Kennedy amendment

[Cameron27]

39. Roll call

[bdamomma]

40. warner's on

they just want this jerky president to have all this power and just give him a rubber stamp. this is such BS.

[MrCoffee]

41. calling the roll, then voting on the Kennedy amendment

[bdamomma]

55. now what happens if they turn down Kennedy's amendment

[MrCoffee]

61. whatever happens, they vote on the bill next. this is the last amendment

[partylessinOhio]

42. Why is Warner running this show? I can't stand him.

Elizabeth Taylor was SO wrong to have married the creep!

He is so self-righteous, a pompous ass!

[MrCoffee]

50. To his credit, his debate w/ Byrd over Byrd's amendment was great.

They treated each other with great respect, and held nothing back in arguing their points.

[Greeby]

46. I can hear the Puke nays coming thick and fast

:eyes:

[bluedog]

53. have they passed any Democratic amendments? n/t

[MrCoffee]

58. nope.

[Marie26]

59. Nope. nt

[LSK]

47. Kennedy Amendment vote

Then the big one.

[Straight Shooter]

51. Never forget ---- "W" is for waterboarding.

My campaign slogan for the Repubs.

I'll K&R. You bet.

[rodeodance]

60. hey great. I hope to see it around.

[rodeodance]

52. nice job mrcoffee . thanks so much

[bdamomma]

68. yes, thanks mr.coffee

[gumby]

63. It sounds like this to me:

Reid agreed to have the Dems get their butts kicked 3 times before the Dems get their butts kicked on the final vote.

Now the Dems can go home and whine that they tried to stop those bad Repubs, but darn, they just didn't have the votes.

A Pox on all of 'em!!!

[malaise]

74. I can't believe they actually thought

any of these lockstep Rethugs were going to allow the amendments to pass. This is fugging madness. Filibuster or be condemned.

[MrCoffee]

65. Does anyone have a roll count???

[The Witch]

69. 24 aye 36 nay w/chafee's vote

[trashcanistanista]

70. Chaffe aye (1 crossover)

[The Witch]

73. with nelson's no, we're effectively party-line

[Peace Patriot]

66. Throw Diebold and all election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor' NOW!

See my thread, "What do you expect from the Diebold Congress?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2851762

[MrCoffee]

67. k

[rodeodance]

71. Nelson of NK NO NO NO

[bdamomma]

72. chafee voted yes

[rodeodance]

75. I am going to try to NOT catch a pic of Smirk Smirking

[rodeodance]

80. JOe L. has been voting wit the Dms all day

[trashcanistanista]

77. Leiberman aye

We'll take it, then wash it off.

[jazzjunkysue]

76. Just home. Who are the dem traitors? I just heard Lieberman yes.

So far, anyone think we can fight this?

[blogslut]

78. Lieberman just voted Aye

on the Kennedy amendment.

[trashcanistanista]

88. Spector aye

[MrCoffee]

79. Who's got the next thread?

[Marie26]

86. I can do it. nt

[It was not a pretzel]

81. McCain

No. He doesn`t think those who tortured him are guilty of war crimes? How nice

[MrCoffee]

82. McCain announced today that he is a torturer.

[Marie26]

83. Such a maverick! nt

[rodeodance]

84. what a weasel

[rodeodance]

90. well we can say that the Dems stuck together today (nelson NK votes

so so often with the repugs!)

[rodeodance]

100. 46-53

[bluedog]

87. I still don't believe he was tortured

[Scoot420fla]

85. Specter AYE nt

[jazzjunkysue]

Are you sure??? Did you see the pig actually fly? It's over.

[mom cat]

89. Kennedy's amendment is a great poison pill. If it passes, then certain

torture trchniques would be deemed to be war crimes!

[MrCoffee]

94. Plus, pukes go on the record as voting to support torturing US troops

[Matariki]

110. Yeah, but WHO in this country is going to understand that

much less remember it in a month? except for people here of course.

I can't believe how cynical i feel right now. Worse, i think it's well merited <sigh>

[LSK]

95. it will fail 47-52 = watch

[high density]

91. LOL, my C-SPAN 2 signal is breaking up

hah

[JackORoses]

92. Specter, Aye!

[Scoot420fla]

93. 46-53 Kennedy defeated

[MrCoffee]

97. Kennedy is Reconsidered and Tabled.

[LSK]

99. the streaming is about 30 seconds behind TV

[Greeby]

96. 46-53 Kennedy amendment failed nt

[blogslut]

108. hmmm

That's only a 7 vote difference.

How will vote on the 'Military Commissions Act of 2006' go?

[sproutster]

98. POS's!! God I am mad - It failed I believe - Cloture now

[Scoot420fla]

101. Leahy getting his 12 min now?

[rodeodance]

106. LEAHY up. He was on Fire this am.

[rodeodance]

109. must be poddy break time. as they seem to be having trouble finding

someone to speak.

[Marie26]

102. New thread here:

Thread #10 - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2248107&mesg_id=2248107

[jazzjunkysue]

103. Ok. Predictions on the real vote. 48-51. What say you?

[Cameron27]

104. Warner's putting the list of all the people responsible

for the TORTURE BILL into the record.

[MrCoffee]

105. THREAD 10 IS UP NOW

[bdamomma]

107. geez, what the hell is wrong with these fuckin people

they just do not want to relenquish their sick power. god, I am pissed