Congrats Dem apologists

[EnfantTerrible]

It has passed. We are now a Torture State. Habeas Corpus is dead.

It had a good run... 1215-2006.

What a legacy we leave our children.

[Kajsa]

1. We should note who caved in

and who stood against this damn nefarious bill.

Is there a link to the voting record?

[EnfantTerrible]

4. What difference does it make at this point?

Stop and think about what has transpired today. Take a good long time to let the complete ramifications sink in and then tell me what difference any of that makes now.

Here's a good read on the meaning of what was "gained" today. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15143.htm

[Kajsa]

14. It separates the true Dems

from the apologist DINOS.

That's valuable info for the coming elections.

[BuyingThyme]

2. kcik

[WilliamPitt]

3. Really

It passed the House and Senate already? It's already signed? I assume the Supreme Court will be hearing a case on the matter seventeen seconds from now.

[EnfantTerrible]

5. Who?

Robert's and Alito? Oh yeah... the other opportunities missed. "Just keepin' the powder dry"

[WilliamPitt]

9. They've thrown out every other torture case

so yeah, there's a pretty solid chance they'll nuke this one.

[EnfantTerrible]

16. Sorry

but this is what getting those two on the bench has been about, IMO.

[WildEyedLiberal]

19. They ruled this summer that detainment was unlawful

And that was with Alito and Roberts on the bench.

[WilliamPitt]

20. Look up Hamden v Rumsfeld, please

That decision is why this legislation exists in the first place.

[Jeanette in FL]

6. Why bother?

Does the Supreme Court even matter anymore? I wonder.

[WilliamPitt]

12. Ah

This bill is being rammed through *because* of the SCOTUS ruling in Hamden.

If you're going to be despondent, please do so in an informed matter.

[Jeanette in FL]

30. Will, I was once like you are now

Optimistic, ready to continue the good fight, see the light at the end of the tunnel, take any little shred of positive, but tonight I don't have it in me. Perhaps, tomorrow I will wake up, put on my boots and continue the fight, but right now I smell the facsism in the air.

I have always wonder in my years, why didn't the Germans get out while they had the time, in order to fight for their country, when they saw what was happening around them. The only answer I have ever been able to asertain is that they didn't ever think it would get that bad. Isn't that where we are now. Right now.

I am usually a very optimistic person, but tonight I am pissed. I am pissed at the Democrats for not putting up at least the theater. The vote wasn't even close.

[Connie_Corleone]

11. The first question...YES.

It will probably be signed tomorrow. It will take about 2 years before the Supreme Court hears a case on it.

[bullimiami]

13. a REAL case has to make it to the scotus. someone who has been tortured

and denied attorneys and any rights whatsoever.

How will they ever bring a case?

CHECKMATE. Bushco has won.

[mmonk]

21. Yeah, how can one have judicial review if judicial review

is denied from the beginning? I was warned this was coming even before this bill passage.

[BuyingThyme]

18. When's the last time they reached out and grabbed something.

It took, what, five years to get to this point?

And how many more years before somebody with standing escapes from a secret prison and starts telling stories that nobody will believe?

[StellaBlue]

7. Live free or die

I intend to go down fighting.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

26. You Intend To Go Down Fighting?

In another thread you were talking about moving back to England.

Which is it?

I'm all for getting the hell out while the getting is good.

[stuartrida]

8. I am not a Dem apologist

I just vote for the best candidate who actually has a remote chance of getting the seat. It is still a straight Dem ticket for me.

[EnfantTerrible]

10. If we were to parse that rationale

I think you would regret having put that in writing.

[stuartrida]

25. I regret nothing

I will always vote, and I will always look at the candidates who have shot at whatever seat they are running for, and vote for the best one. If I woke up one day to find that Guiliani and Frist were the only people running for President, I would go vote for Guiliani, and do whatever I could to make sure their were better choices in the next election. I have had plenty of people try to talk me out of voting for Democrats, and it isn't going to happen.

[WildEyedLiberal]

15. Why are you blaming the Democrats for a Republican bill?

I blame THESE Democrats who voted aye: Carper, Johnson, Landrieu, Lautenberg, Lieberman, Menendez, Nelson (Fla.), Nelson (Neb.), Pryor, Rockefeller, Salazar and Stabenow.

But to suggest that it's the entire party's doing is pretty stupid.

[EnfantTerrible]

23. It is the entire party's doing.

There is only one party in this country. Two party system is an illusion. 98-0 vote to continue illegal acts of aggression. $$$$$ is all that matters. They are all, Dem and Repup, beholden to the same corporate masters. Now it is officially over. Welcome to Torture State USA.

[WildEyedLiberal]

24. Only Karl Rove would say that.

Do you think your ignorant defeatism helps anyone BESIDES the RIGHTWING??

[EnfantTerrible]

28. You found me out.

Yes it's me Karl Rove! Damn, that didn't take long.

Do you think your ignorant optomism helps anyone? Period? What a joke...

You don't seem to get it. THere is no Left and Right. There is only ONE. And they continue to dupe you all.

Tell ya what--- why don't you call your Senator and ask "WHat Happened?" if you want someone to supply excuses for this travesty. This is so far beyond the simplistic view you have of these events.

[bryant69]

17. Thank you for your congratulations

I really appreciate you acknowledging our efforts - It makes me feel good that our efforts to destroy the constitution and Habeas Corpus are recognized.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[sandnsea]

22. Once again, Republicans did this

People who think like these Republicans did this. If people in states like Nebraska and Louisiana didn't want this torture bill, their representatives wouldn't vote for it. This is not a Democratic Party problem - except to the extent that WE haven't done enough to change the minds of our fellow citizens.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

29. Our Fellow Citizens Are Fucking MORONS.

This country is pathetic. I'm embarassed to be an American.

I don't see myself living my days out here in this sad excuse for a country.

[seabeyond]

27. if we dont just continually bring joy to the republicans, let them off

the hook to go after our dudes, even the ones that voted agaisnt. karl says thanks.....

[mvd]

31. Locking

Group attack, calling DUers apologists. Look, I don't like what happened either, but please don't violate DU rules.

mvd
DU Moderator