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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 10:13 AM Original message |
Regarding Cops, Guns, Knives and Wallets |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
1. I agree to an extent... |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 10:18 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Cop cannot fire until its clear its a gun |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 10:38 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. How exactly is a cop supposed to do that? |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 10:40 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Sucks to be a cop in that situation, don't it? |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 10:44 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Exactly |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
3. You're making a poorly-substantiated leap |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 10:31 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Your arguement is ridiculous and purposefully obtuse. |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 10:37 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. That's primitive & draconian, and not how you framed the original example |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 10:38 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Well, ok, technically you are right. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:12 AM Response to Reply #6 |
35. Actually, that's the law in Florida, too... |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:14 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Uh... |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:52 AM Response to Reply #37 |
71. My bad... |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:01 AM Response to Reply #5 |
28. Some states you don't have to flee, although it is smart to. NT |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:04 AM Response to Reply #5 |
29. So the NOLA cops should have fled. nt |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:05 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Cops are exempt from the "flee" part, as part of their duty. |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:06 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. That's where I have a problem. |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:08 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Of course. Cops can speed, cops can pull you over, cops can... |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:12 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. And I have a fundamental problem with that. |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:15 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Good thing that never happens |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:16 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Happened to me. |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:22 AM Response to Reply #39 |
45. No it didnt. |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:23 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. I've seen it happen to others, too. |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:26 AM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Bingo! We have a winner! |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:33 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. Right, and the law should be changed. |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:36 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. A law abiding American |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:38 AM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Yeah, if every criminal judge in the country wasn't lined up to |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:42 AM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Your idea of freedom is "no holds barred, survival of the fittest" |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:45 AM Response to Reply #63 |
67. "I am protected from any abuse..." |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:43 AM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Careful--a social contract is a contract |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:44 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. "My choice to remain in this country" |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:48 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. That's not up to me |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:51 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. It doesn't give me the legal right |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:58 AM Response to Reply #70 |
76. Well, that's a very different matter, isn't it? |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:51 PM Response to Reply #68 |
91. "Unjust laws exist," |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:55 AM Response to Reply #55 |
74. That's where you're wrong, under the law, you DO have to listen to |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:04 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. I'm not talking about what's legal |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:28 PM Response to Reply #77 |
84. Sorry, but things were even more oppressive in the late 18th century! |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:29 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Yes, but armed cops didn't cruise around |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:30 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Armed cops don't do that now, so what's your point? |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:33 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. man, that sentence hurts my ears. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:41 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Sory fer usin' big' werds' |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:18 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. "People obey laws because they fear getting caught." |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:21 AM Response to Reply #40 |
44. ok, "Bad" people obey laws because they fear getting caught. |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:51 PM Response to Reply #44 |
90. I think so, but... |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:19 AM Response to Reply #32 |
41. So let me get this straight... |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:20 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. What's the point of having cops at all? nt |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:24 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. We're getting somewhere here - so what is the answer? |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:32 AM Response to Reply #47 |
54. I actually think the "flight" law is a stupid one. |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:37 AM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Sorry, I misunderstood what you were trying to say |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:39 AM Response to Reply #58 |
61. No, I was just pointing out how different a civilian's rights are |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:10 PM Response to Reply #61 |
78. Ah-ha! I see your point |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:18 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Believe me, I have seen a lot of the "system" |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:22 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Well, you are definitely right about one thing... |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:28 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. And imagine how many fewer searches and seizures, |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:46 PM Response to Reply #80 |
89. Your sample-size is far too small |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:39 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. The requirement to flee is very light. |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:25 AM Response to Reply #41 |
48. Again, cops are exempt from the "flee" part. |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:29 AM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Not according to Jed Dilligan... |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:30 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Whoops, I mis-followed the dotted line |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:28 AM Response to Reply #3 |
51. What when it's ten cops |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:33 AM Response to Reply #51 |
56. Answer: Whatever they decide is right |
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SheepyMcSheepster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:37 AM Response to Reply #56 |
59. is it just me or do you insist on being condescending? |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:44 AM Response to Reply #59 |
65. Sorry, I just boggles my mind that people actually think that |
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SheepyMcSheepster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:50 AM Response to Reply #65 |
69. I can understand that |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:52 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Coulda woulda shoulda. Hindsight is 20/20. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 01:05 PM Response to Reply #65 |
93. Hope it's OK when |
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catnhatnh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
4. A. you spelled it wrong |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 10:38 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. A) I never used the word "it" in my original post |
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catnhatnh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 10:51 AM Response to Reply #7 |
19. Spell Check.... |
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SheepyMcSheepster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
9. let's blur this black and white a bit. |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 10:44 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Yep. n/t |
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SheepyMcSheepster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 10:48 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. so you would not hesitate on killing a 5 year old? |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 10:51 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Different arguement |
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SheepyMcSheepster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 10:54 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. to clarify |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 10:55 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Legally, yes. |
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SheepyMcSheepster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 10:56 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. so do you make a distinction between legal and moral/ethical? eom |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 10:59 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Nope. If something is unethical, it should be made illegal. |
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SheepyMcSheepster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:21 AM Response to Reply #27 |
43. I can see why you feel the way you do then |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:05 AM Response to Reply #17 |
30. If your life is not threatened, then it isn't self defense. |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:07 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. 5 yr old is a blackbelt, the "adult" is an 80 yr old. |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:26 AM Response to Reply #33 |
49. Kind of extreme, but as a hypothetical - yes. |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 10:45 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Depends who's black and who's white, I would imagine |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
11. A Multnomah County Deputy screwed up yesterday, then |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 10:42 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Again, another ridiculous and obtuse arguement |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 10:49 AM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Beg your pardon, but which was the "other" ridiculous argument? |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 10:53 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Yes, yours, but only this part of it: |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 10:59 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Thanks for the clarification |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 10:58 AM Response to Reply #13 |
25. Absolutely right and spot on |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
73. So if you have a mental illness |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 11:57 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. So if you have a mental illness |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:11 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. Why don't we just lock them all up in institutions? |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 01:00 PM Response to Reply #79 |
92. Well, actually, you may be on the right track |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 01:24 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. My community has excellent resources for the mentally ill |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 01:17 PM Response to Reply #79 |
94. Yes, of course. We are saving tons of money, never mind |
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SkiGuy (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:22 PM Response to Reply #75 |
82. Agree |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 01:26 PM Response to Reply #82 |
96. You start |
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