Drudge is smearing Webb on his site right now: underage sex scenes in novels

[Herman Munster]

Drudge updated his site with a link to a story and press release from the Allen campaign. Sounds like Allen leaked it to Drudge to do his dirty work.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashaw.htm

Sen. George Allen, R-VA, unleashed a press release late Thursday that exposed his rival's fiction writing, which includes graphic underage sex scenes.



The press release, as provided by the Allen Campaign:

WEBB’S WEIRD WORLD

The Author’s Disturbing Writings Show a Continued Pattern of Demeaning Women

· Some of Webb’s writings are very disturbing for a candidate hoping to represent the families of Virginians in the U.S. Senate.

· Many excellent books about the United States military and wartime service accomplish their purposes, and even win awards, without systematically demeaning women, and without dehumanizing women, men and even children.

· Webb’s novels disturbingly and consistently – indeed, almost uniformly – portray women as servile, subordinate, inept, incompetent, promiscuous, perverted, or some combination of these. In novel after novel, Webb assigns his female characters base, negative characteristics. In thousands of pages of fiction penned by Webb, there are few if any strong, admirable women or positive female role models.

[DesertRat]

1. Not a "love story", but underage incest...

:argh:

[xchrom]

2. let's see -- someone on du has a list

of over one hundred republick party men involved in cases that involve sexual wrong doing.

not novels, not fiction -- real life.

perhaps we should get that list to webb?

[SouthernBelle82]

39. Now also don't forget

Bill O'Reilly and someone else who was a Bushie also wrote porn underage fiction...oh right Libby! And don't forget Lynne Cheney as well and her lesbian novels.

[karynnj]

49. Scooter Libby

With Bears and young girls. The question is how does this fit into the novel - I would hope it had some purpose and was not trivialized. I hope that it looks less bad in context and is necessary to the plot.

I am not a Webb fan, but would love the Democrats to take back the Senate.

[Renew Deal]

74. Here it is

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=358&topic_id=814&mesg_id=814

[xchrom]

125. cool -- thank you!

[olkaz]

3. I dont get it

This has to be out of context or something.... wouldnt somebody have noticed this?

[enough already]

62. You have to wonder who vets these candidates

This is just fucking ridiculous that nobody thought this would be a problem. FUCK.

[Name removed]

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[John Gauger]

119. I often wonder the same thing.

But for different reasons. Who is it who is picking our candidates, because it surely is not the American people. Every time there is an election, esepecially Presidential, I question whether these are really tho two best candidates in the whole country. It's like George Carlin says. These guys are just the same as always: corporate whores attempting to maintain our bondage. No one ever has any real solutions. Take Howard Dean. He was popular enough to be President, but he was removed because his platform would actually have helped America. We don't get to pick who runs our country. Dean would have been our candidate, not corporate America's.

As for the book, I really don't think it's that big a deal. They probably went over it and determined that if it comes up at all they can just explain that that is common in some cultures. It's not incest, it's supposedly a common gesture of respect for one's son. He will bless his father's spirit when he is dead, and his genitals are a symbol of their biological connection. I'm told the he is just honoring his son.

[enough already]

132. Dean was our best chance at victory

Sitting Senators don't win. Governors and former veeps win.

[WinkyDink]

4. That scene is a "love story"?! Oy.

There is no redeeming "context" for that passage. Sorry.

[olkaz]

8. It just doesnt seem possible that nobody could have noticed this up until now.... nm

[flowomo]

19. see post #16

[John Gauger]

5. What kind of book is that?

I don't know what to say. I mean, I've heard some stuff like that before, but from books by Aleister Crowley and the like. I've never heard anything remotely paralleling that, with the possible exception of Libby's bear masturbation/rape.

[MattNC]

7. it's about Vietnam

years after the war is over if I'm not mistaken.

[Rockstone]

27. Didn't Webb serve?

That was my first thought - that it was refering to attrocities from Vietnam.
I wonder what the rest of the context of the clip is - it looks suspiciously cropped, doesn't it?

[MattNC]

32. yepp

he was an infantry officer in the Marine Corps

[greeneyedboy]

6. boy they really are digging, aren't they. i smell DESPERATION.

time to teach the "reality != fiction; fiction !=reality" lesson again.

[enough already]

64. Maybe "desperate", but it's going to work

This isn't going to fly in Virginia. Webb's done.

[LostinVA]

100. *yawn*

[Richard Steele]

106. TOO SUBTLE!!!!!!!!!!!!

:sarcasm:

[LostinVA]

121. Come on, a softer touch, something like this:

"Well, there may be some undecideds around Langley that this may effect. You know, some of those military Air Force guys are pretty conservative, and might not understand the cultural references, even if their Daddies and uncles saw this same stuff during Nam."

See the difference? Go ahead -- give it a try. And, don't keep on saying the same thing over and over -- it's a giveaway.

Go ahead Grasshopper.

[joemurphy]

9. Add it to Scooter Libby's book about the Japanese girl

having sex with a bear.

[DesertRat]

10. I never heard about that one!

:crazy:

[joemurphy]

17. Here ya go.

<http://www.usatoday.com/life/books/news/2005-11-09-libby-novel_x.htm>

Just google Libby bestiality pedophilia Japan and Voila!

[Dick Diver]

18. The problem with that is...

Webb is not running against Libby or Lynne Cheney or anyone of the other Repubs you can name who have written porn. He's running against Allen who, to my knowledge, hasn't done this. For Webb to run around saying "But Scooter Libby did it too" would not be very productive.

[joemurphy]

61. I wasn't attempting to formulate strategy for Webb

But if you want that, or think Allen is proof from criticism, I would probably state that Webb's fiction is just that, that some Republicans like Lynne Cheney and Scooter Libby have authored items containing some things similarly abhorrent without Republican criticism. But more to the point, and Webb's book aside, Democratic criticism of Allen is reality based -- viz. the Macaca incident; the noose in his office; the Confederate flag; the deer-head in the mailbox; and the reports of his college bigotry from his classmates and teammates.

Then, I guess, I'd leave it at that.

[LostinVA]

101. Webb hasn't doen it either -- but good try

[joemurphy]

11. Well, that's fiction. Allen got his real life jollies by sticking

the head of a dead deer in a black family's mailbox. Yeah, I know, college high jinks, like swallowing goldfish etc. etc.

[ruggerson]

12. IT'S FICTION!

It's a fucking novel! How in hell does George Allen think that something written in NOVEL has any bearing on how someone will perform as a Senator?

By that standard, all the fundies should never have voted for Cheney/Bush since Lynne Cheney wrote explicit lesbian scenes into one of HER novels.

These people are neanderthals. Truly fucked up.

[John Gauger]

23. Have you ever read Lynn Cheney's book?

From the reports I've read there is no sex in the book. The main character finds out her sister is a lesbian, but later finds out that she is not.

[cali]

48. Thank you.

Exactly right. It's fiction, and I'm appalled at the people on this thread sniffing that the passage has no redeeming quality. If you haven't read the book, you have absolutely no basis for making that comment. Many, many great works of fiction include highly disturbing passages. it's about plumbing the human psyche- and that's often going to reveal stuff that's painful, or hard to take.

[itsrobert]

13. Whatever it is, I don't feel comfortable with it

Webb has some explaining to do. And it maybe just timed right by Allen campaign that the damage can't be rectified before election day.

[ruggerson]

14. You don't feel comfortable with FICTION?

I think you have some explaining to do as to why you'd parrot rightwing bullshit on DU.

[itsrobert]

20. I don't feel comfortable with an incest relationship

being described. Fiction or not.

[NYCGirl]

26. There's quite a bit of incest being described in the Bible, you know. NT

[WinkyDink]

31. Not "quite a bit", and not parent/young child, and not New T.

[Coexist]

35. really? What exactly was that hungover Noah so pissed at his son for?

So pissed that he punished Ham's descendants eternally with slavery? Just for a naked peep? I doubt it!

Lot's horny daughters?

[John Gauger]

113. Lot's horny daughters?

I always remember hearing that they were raped. Or sold into sexual slavery because it was the customarily proper thing to do.

[SouthernBelle82]

47. Still it's in the Bible

The Bible is both the old and the new. And in the Bible as a whole there is quite a bit of sex in there. It doesn't matter if it's not in the new testament because the old is a part of it unless you just have a new testament Bible than that's different. I don't see the rightwingers wanting the old testament banned of course. That's God and all.

[ruggerson]

38. Isn't this book about a different culture than ours?

There are different cultures than our own. There are different cultural norms. If he had written about cannibalism, we'd find the passages disturbing but it would not reflect on the taste buds of the author, would it?

[flowomo]

45. see post #33 -- and this:

PORTLAND, Me. (AP) - Maine's highest court reversed a previous conviction of a man accused of sexual abuse. Mohammad Kargar, an Afghan immigrant, claimed he kissed his 18-month-old son's penis as part of a cultural tradition. Kissing a son's penis is a very common tradition in Afghanistan, associated with showing love for the child. I feel much better now. I'm happy. My family is happy, said Kargar.

I am not vouching for this source; just raising a possibility


http://www.lectlaw.com/tsex.htm

[kskiska]

127. Remember the outcry over Elian's grandmothers?

(snip)

…Later that month, Elian's grandmothers flew from Havana to New York to request their grandson's return and to visit with the child. They met with Reno in Washington, urging her to return Elian to his homeland. The Miami relatives resisted a reunion between Elian and his grandmothers and U.S. officials had to order their compliance. A few days later, an allegedly impartial nun announced her new stand that Elian should not return to Cuba, because she sensed such fear in the grandmothers. After the two women returned home, they received a huge welcome. One of the grandmothers publicly announced that she had asked Elian about his penis size and bitten his tongue, two culturally normal things for a grandmother to do in Cuba, but obviously outrageous to Americans. The Miami family and Cuban exiles attacked the grandmother as a child abuser.

more…
http://immigration.about.com/od/ussocialeconomicissues/a/Eliansummary_2.htm

[flowomo]

130. it's a big and diverse world....

what Webb was describing was not a sex scene. I've found many references to these types of practices that are simply not known or "acceptable" in our culture. But they are not sex acts.

[SouthernBelle82]

43. So don't read it

Simple as that. Who gives a shit? Don't like it? Go read "Lord of the Rings" or something like that.

[Mountainman]

Did someone force you to read incest novels lately?

You do have a choice you know. I am uncomfortable with the violence in the Bible so pay no attention to it and don't read it.

[flowomo]

58. are you so sure this scene is about incest?

see posts 33 and 45 -- another possibility

[LostinVA]

102. Good grief -- it's not

[The Straight Story]

25. I think it is a problem BECAUSE it's fiction

Versus recounting something one has seen the writer creates a fantasy from their own mind - and to some that is indicative of the mind of the writer.

If bush sat around writing fiction novels about concentration camps for dems, would we just blow it off because it was fiction or wonder what deep recesses from his mind it came from?

I once wrote a perl program to analyze the works of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (still have it laying about here somewhere). It examined several Sherlock Holmes stories and compared the words used between the books, frequencies, etc and then I used that to compare it to other works he wrote during that time frame. There is a whole psychology to writers, times, etc.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

89. Yes, and George Lucas secretly wants to rule the galaxy. -nt

[Nozebro]

21. The damage is now done & Webb will lose an election he should have won.

nt

[WinkyDink]

28. Agreed. And no "But he/she did it, too!" argument is going to cut it.

Because THAT? Is the Republican style of "argument".
Webb is gone.

And Drudge is not "smearing" by quoting.

[Renew Deal]

78. Drudge is smearing by not giving context

[Name removed]

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[LostinVA]

104. Hahahaha --

[PaDem]

84. regardless of how we feel, this is a deal breaker if it gets out there......

bye bye Virginia. I wonder how long the Allen camp has been sitting on this.

[Jack Rabbit]

15. Matt who?

Eoes anybody pay any attention to this jouralistic fraud any more?

[flowomo]

16. freepers were writing about this more than a week ago....

some interestingly ambivalent comments here:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1720926/posts

[Junkdrawer]

22. Cited story from "Right Wing News" has the same image Drudge uses...

http://www.rightwingnews.com/category.php?ent=6620

[flowomo]

24. yes, and it provides more context for the scene....

"Why did he kiss the boy's penis?"
"I do not know."

I have no idea what the scene means, but I suspect there is a cultural reference here that I am not familiar with. At least one freeper poster raised that possibility.

[Junkdrawer]

30. Isn't it a Vietnamese man kissing his son's penis?

I haven't read the book. :shrug:

[flowomo]

34. content seems to indicate that... and see post #33....

I am not saying this is the same, but it raises the question of what Webb intended to say

[marshall]

124. Any Vietnamese out there?

Is it customary for fathers to kiss their sons penises in that culture? Perhaps not all cultures would see that as inappropriate.

[cautiouslywaiting]

29. This is bad.

It won't go over well in Virginia. I hate to say it but I think Webb is done.

[jefferson_dem]

36. BULLSHIT. This is a sign of sheer desperation by Macaca-boy.

That racist scumbag must be losing bigtime in the polls...and i would be surprised if this so-called story has no legs. Just another lame example of sludge-driven yellow journalism.

[cautiouslywaiting]

42. But

we're talking about Virginia, not New Jersey. Still part of the Bible Belt.

[jefferson_dem]

51. Obviously. Your point? What exactly are you suggesting about NJ?

n/t.

[cautiouslywaiting]

70. Just that

it wouldn't be as big a deal in NJ or NY. People are more open-minded there, they would understand that it's fiction. I don't know if Virginians will.

[autorank]

93. We're not part of the Bible Belt..Northern Virginia is progressive, the

balance of the state has pokets of fundamentalists, who may or may not like Allen.

[Name removed]

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[AlCzervik]

40. concerned are you? Awful quick to write Webb off there.

[cautiouslywaiting]

46. I really hope I'm wrong.

But I grew up in Virginia. I know how those people will react to something like this.

[ruggerson]

57. Yeah, sure you do n/t

[cautiouslywaiting]

76. Why are you being mean?

I haven't done anything to you. Maybe I'll be wrong. I'm just saying the people I grew up around are not going to understand the difference between fiction and real life. They'll hear whatever the rethugs want them to hear.

[Richard Steele]

114. Why are you being OBVIOUS?

Lenny Bruce never met you, did he?

[cautiouslywaiting]

128. Excuse me

for saying anything. I didn't realize I wasn't allowed to have a fucking opinion.

[Richard Steele]

129. No, I'll not excuse you in THIS lifetime. There is no EXCUSE for it.

You are "allowed" to have any opinion you want.

It's just the parroting of KARL ROVE'S OPINION
that us Democrats have the problem with.

What's the matter with YOUR opinion, that you are
so afraid to speak it? Are you afraid it sounds
too..."liberal"?

Wassamater...do you occasionally have second thoughts
about crossburning and gay-bashing? But you're afraid
to say anything, because you think you're the only one?

Seriously- ask yourself WHY you are spending time repeating
someone elses opinion.
You know damn well they will never bother to return the favor,
so what's in it for you, really?

[cautiouslywaiting]

134. WHAT are you talking about?

I'm not repeating anyone else's opinion, I'm stating my own damn opinion. And obviously I would have problems with gay-bashing since I'm bi, you moron.

[Richard Steele]

135. Next time you make puppets, WASH them socks first!

TOO SUBTLE!
Obviously "enough already".

[Mojorabbit]

72. I agree. It will not go over well. eom

[LostinVA]

105. Suuuuure

[wicket]

55. Concerned, yeah that's the ticket

:P

[AlCzervik]

69. yes, so much concern here of late, so many "Concerned" and "Worried"

posters, why it's almost as though they're happy about bad news for democrats or taking a story about democrats and spinning it into bad news. Hmm, i'm "Concerned and worried" for these posters.

[LostinVA]

107. I know, I'm just all choked up with their "concern"

[Richard Steele]

109. Funny, you don't SOUND like you "hate to say it".

Enough already! lol!

[cautiouslywaiting]

122. Because you can hear how I sound?

Who knows? Maybe this'll all go away tomorrow. Maybe not. We'll see.

[Richard Steele]

131. Loud and clear. The bridge above you acts as a natural amplifier.

Much like a banjo-skin.

[Ellipsis]

133. LOL!

Beautiful.

[flowomo]

33. Read this before you jump to conclusions about "incest"

ABSTRACT: Child rearing practices in the the Telugu-speaking people of India include behaviors of touching and kissing the penis. The meaning of these customs is not erotic or sexual, but if engaged in in America would most likely be misconstrued and the parents suspected of child sexual abuse. This example illustrates the importance of transcultural issues in assessing the meaning of genital gestures and practices.

http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume3/j3_4_4.htm

I am not saying Webb had this in mind, but there may be something else going on here than appears at first glance.

[SouthernBelle82]

37. Oh good grief

Who cares about fiction? He isn't out there being a pedophile and covering up. It's called fiction for a reason.

[ruggerson]

41. Exactly

Some of the responses on this thread could have come from Pat Robertson.

[Rockstone]

50. Another weak strategy

I have heard three basic responses so far

1. Others did it too - this serves only to assume that Webb did sopmethign wrong

2. It's just Fiction - also detremental because even if it is just fiction, again it presupposes that Webb has written something questionable here.

3. I need more information. This response does not precondemn Webb.

[ruggerson]

53. It does not presuppose anything of the kind

Fiction is fiction. It's about creating a world and telling an imaginary story. This book, from what I understand, is about Vietnam and Vietnamese culture. If there is something disturbing to Western norms in there, it does not reflect on Webb in the least. The only thing "questionable" is why supposedly literate and liberal DU'ers would all of a sudden sound like a bunch of mentally ill Southern Baptists.

[Rockstone]

67. I agree with you on everything

but it ignores the fact that it is being used for a political purpose. We are talking about its effect on its audience. What this does is feed the rightwing another comforting lie to use to help the cognative dissonance of having to support Allen to be party faithful.

I am simply saying that asking for clarification of the context is the best response in my opinion, when we don't have that information. it looks like there is some surrounding text that explsins what it was he was describing and I do believe it was a deranged man or a cultural custom. There certainly is no significant perversion here, just an out of context inkling of something.

[ruggerson]

73. And the POV

seems to clearly be "how odd is it to watch this happen."

This is a passage about witnessing a cultural trait of another society and finding it unusual and strange.

It will not take a rocket scientist to explain that this is not a "sex scene" but a scene about a cultural practice.

And, regardless, it's fiction. It's about exploring a different world than our own. The only people who will have a problem with this are never going to vote for Jim Webb to begin with because they're mindlessly stupid.

[enough already]

79. "Mentally ill Southern Baptists" are the people voting in this election

And Webb is now going to spend a week answering moronic questions about this, or worse still hiding, while Sen. Macaca talks about God and Guns and War and Tax Cuts. This blows, but it's over.

[Rockstone]

88. naah

the story now is that Allen is so desperate that he thinks people will fall for his little cropping job.

I think it's the final nail in the coffin for Allen. The Webb people will have a field day with this one.

[LostinVA]

108. Isn't it curfew time at LU?

[trumad]

56. Yeah, and I see a bunch of low posting scumbags stirring up the pot!

[LostinVA]

110. Yuppers... and some pretty transparent ones, too

[jefferson_dem]

65. How do you propose Webb supporters like us counter this smear then?

n/t

[Rockstone]

90. post 73

[Beetwasher]

44. DOOOMMMMED!1!111!1

:eyes:

Some of the responses on this thread sound like "concern" trolls.

[Name removed]

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[jefferson_dem]

54. Indeed. We need to be on the watch for the old "! to 1" keystrokes.

That'll be a dead giveaway for sure.

[Beetwasher]

59. Yeah

You got me.

[Bumblebee]

75. The sky is falling, the sky is falling. Drudge the almighty wants it that way

and, boy, some of us indeed oblige! This is such bullshit. Webb may well lose but it won't be because of a book of fiction he wrote. I predict that Allen will actually look bad bringing it up, especially when anthropologists weigh in...if it ever comes to that. Fiction versus reality as practiced by GOP -- glass houses and all that. If I were them, I would not quite go there. Might have been the worst political decision Allen yet made, imho.

[LostinVA]

111. Bingo, Beet -- and not even very "good" trolls

[Junkdrawer]

63. IT'S NOT A SEX SCENE - IT'S ABOUT CULTURE CLASHES....

Even the "Right Wing News" provides more context than Drudge...



http://www.rightwingnews.com/category.php?ent=6620

[ruggerson]

66. Exactly

even from this small excerpt you can see that the POV is how bizarre to witness a cultural ritual such as this.

[Rockstone]

81. Yeah

it's still not clear that it is a cultural ritual, but I'll not be surprised to see someone dig up a reference to it in a moment. It does seem to be about being someplace strange and seeing bizzare things. There appears to be nothing sexual about this book passage. Clearly a symbol of republican desperation - a last ditch grab for nothing.

[NYCGirl]

68. The book got a great review from the right wing WASHINGTON TIMES!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0440240913/ref=sib_dp_pt/104-5429749-9754331#reader-link

[roseBudd]

86. Use that Amazon link and do a search for penis...

There are 4 references to that scene

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0440240913/ref=sib_dp_pt/104-5429749-9754331#

[NYCGirl]

87. And? NT

[Connie_Corleone]

71. I'm surprised by some of the people here who are jumping to

conclusions without even knowing what the next paragraph says!

Like some others said, it's probably some cultural thing in Vietnam or somewhere else.

[flowomo]

77. see posts 33 and 61

[trumad]

82. Their combined thread count equals around 50

[LostinVA]

112. Except for one

[Marie26]

116. Ooh, me? nt

[LostinVA]

117. No! Not you, silly

Actually... maybe TWO. Still not you!

I don't always agree with you, but I know you're not a troll!

[AlCzervik]

80. nice ring and run.

[flowomo]

83. it doesn't matter... the story is out and would have been discussed

no matter who posted it.

[NavyDavy]

91. I can't believe how many "Concerned Trollz" there are here today

oh gosh, maybe we all should just stay home and not vote since Webb is done....(sarcasm off)....

[WestSeattle2]

92. Compare and contrast to Lynne Cheney's writings.....

http://www.amazon.com/Sisters-Lynne-Cheney/dp/0451112040

[autorank]

94. Very provocative OP with no opinion stated. Here's the appropriate opinion.

This is from Drudge. No serious discussion necessary until facts in place.
Repeat, this is from Drudge.

I'm in Virginia. I don't appreciate this lie being repeated verbatim with out commentary that
this is from Drudge - the biggest liar on the planet. To repeat a lie is to tell a lie.

[Marie26]

95. I think he does have issues w/women.

Sorry, I hope he wins, but Webb does seem to have a history of demeaning women. Each allegation can be put in context & spun, but taken together, they show a continuing pattern. He's not as bad as Macacawitz (who could be), but there's things about Webb I do not like.

[trumad]

99. What's that got to do with this?

[Marie26]

123. The book

The OP refers scenes in the book that demean women & portray them in an uniformly negative light. This doesn't really surprise me - Webb has said things in the past about women that I find pretty offensive. I'm not referring to the main quote, because it seems like there might be a valid cultural explanation. But the rest of the scenes are pretty sexist. It's sort of difficult for me to defend Webb against charges of sexism, because I think he is. Sorry, I know I should support him whole-heartedly against a known racist like Allen, but for me it's more like holding my nose to support the lesser of two evils. I really hope Webb wins, & he'd probably be a good Senator, but that doesn't mean I like him all that much as a person.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

96. Will Bill O'Reilly get jealous?

Webb's probably a better writer

watch for bill to condemn this, despite his own work

[w4rma]

97. Post from FreeRepublic: Ever read Scooter Libby's book, or Lynne Cheney's for that matter?

To: sandbar
Scooter's has a scene where a bear savagely rapes an underage girl.

Mrs. Cheney's is nothing but lesbian smut.
46 posted on 10/17/2006 11:54:20 AM PDT by Prodn2000
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1720926/posts?page=46#46

Anyway, Webb's is a Vietnamese cultural thing, not a sex thing. More context here:

There is nothing sexual about the scene at all. Really wierd greeting that some Vietnamese have, though.

Skinner debunks the whole thing here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2491792

Also, Sen. McCain, one of the very few (only?) Republican Vietnam vets in the Senate, endorses this book:
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/berni_mccoy/106

This story has already come and gone without a trace.

[Marie26]

115. What about the other excerpts about women? nt

[w4rma]

120. I have seen no context on that outside of Drudge's lies. (nt)

[Marie26]

126. I guess you could use Amazon

The first quote seems accurate, though out of context. Probably, a sense of the context of the quotes would create a better impression.

[Catchawave]

103. ***DEBUNKED***

here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2491792

[doublethink]

118. 120 something responses to your hit and run post and not 1 other from you....

Why? :shrug:

[pinto]

136. Locking.

Drudge ia a notoriously unreliable, conservative flamethrower. See also this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2491792

Thanks.