1982

[texasleo]

Saddam and seven co-defendants — including a half brother — have been on trial since Oct. 19, 2005, for their alleged roles in the deaths of about 150 Shiites in the town of Dujail after an assassination attempt against the president in 1982.

http://tinyurl.com/y8wyt9





1983





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[ck4829]

1. I request that this gets to the front page and stays there until Monday.

[hvn_nbr_2]

8. I request that this gets to the front page of the MSM, but we all know...

that it won't.

[texasleo]

42. great idea

:evilgrin:

[The_Warmth]

2. very powerful

[SammyWinstonJack]

3. ..

[Pab Sungenis]

4. K&R

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[Nikki Stone1]

5. wow

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[Cocoa]

6. thank God crimes like that don't happen in Iraq anymore

:sarcasm:

[Gregorian]

7. W stands for WAR.

What is it good for? Absolutely nothing.

We've come full circle. From Saddam is a bad man. Saddam gassed his own people. Saddam has weapons of mass destruction. 24 hours a day. 7 days a week. To the publishing of how to make a bomb, on the internet, by our own dearly beloved Decider. Or is it The Dictator?


Full circle. And now they're all naked. We all see them for what they really are. Except for the 35% of those Americans still sporting their W stickers. The braindead, retarded Americans who will never see.

May justice be true and swift.

[doublethink]

9. Simple and to the point ......

the truth needs no spin does it. K&R. Peace.

[formercia]

10. We were real buddy buddy with Saddam

I knew some people that went on TDY's over there. Remember those US Missile parts that were found during the invasion?

They hushed that up really quick.

[ArbustoBuster]

11. Simple, direct, perfect. n/t

[Felinity]

12. K&R n/t

[NanceGreggs]

13. Very Powerful Image ... and message.

:kick: and Rec'd!

[SlavesandBulldozers]

14. seriously. just 150?

that's Tuesday in New Iraq.

[WyoHiker]

15. YA-HELL got the date wrong, and you all bought it

Saddam's assassination attempt was in April 1993, while the Elder Bush attended an anniversary celebration in Kuwait commerating the victory in Desert Storm.

www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/oig/fbilab1/05bush2.htm


In July of 1993, President Clinton launched a cruise missle attack against the Iraqi Intelligence service building in retaliation.

Yes, Rummy did shake hands with Hussein in '83, 10 YEARS BEFORE Saddam tried to kill Bush Sr.

Ya'll had better remove this 1982 post before DU gets really embarrassed.

[Catherine Vincent]

17. eh?

[Greeby]

18. *sniff sniff* I smell flying monkey

Where's my flamethrower? :evilgrin:

[TahitiNut]

19. Oh? ("Clinton"... "Saddam tried to kill Bush Sr." ... "DU gets really embarrassed.")???

From the BBC ...

Saddam Hussein was filmed on a visit to the town of Dujail in 1982

<snip>
Instead, the first charge facing the former Iraqi president and his co-defendants is relatively unknown.

It concerns the killing of 143 people from Dujail, a mixed town of Sunni and Shia Arabs some 60km north of Baghdad, and a train of events that began one stifling hot day in 1982.
<snip>
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4350104.stm

From Wikipedia ...

Dujail was the site of an unsuccessful assassination attempt against then Iraqi president, Saddam Hussein, on July 8, 1982.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dujail

Someone seems to have "bought" something ... but it has the unmistakable stench of reichbot coprolite.
:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

[WyoHiker]

20. I AM THE ONE WHO IS EMBARRASSED

Sorry.

[TahitiNut]

21. Rumsfeld's friendly visit with Saddam was on December 20, 1983.

Rumsfeld apparently likes "leaders" who kill people in large numbers.


Shaking Hands: Iraqi President Saddam Hussein greets Donald Rumsfeld, then special envoy of President Ronald Reagan, in Baghdad on December 20, 1983.

The U.S. restored formal relations with Iraq in November 1984, but the U.S. had begun, several years earlier, to provide it with intelligence and military support (in secret and contrary to this country's official neutrality) in accordance with policy directives from President Ronald Reagan. These were prepared pursuant to his March 1982 National Security Study Memorandum (NSSM 4-82) asking for a review of U.S. policy toward the Middle East.

One of these directives from Reagan, National Security Decision Directive (NSDD) 99, signed on July 12, 1983, is available only in a highly redacted version. It reviews U.S. regional interests in the Middle East and South Asia, and U.S. objectives, including peace between Israel and the Arabs, resolution of other regional conflicts, and economic and military improvements, "to strengthen regional stability." It deals with threats to the U.S., strategic planning, cooperation with other countries, including the Arab states, and plans for action. An interdepartmental review of the implications of shifting policy in favor of Iraq was conducted following promulgation of the directive.

By the summer of 1983 Iran had been reporting Iraqi use of using chemical weapons for some time. The Geneva protocol requires that the international community respond to chemical warfare, but a diplomatically isolated Iran received only a muted response to its complaints. It intensified its accusations in October 1983, however, and in November asked for a United Nations Security Council investigation.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/

Rumsfeld has a looong history of war crimes.

[Turn CO Blue]

40. S'okay. It's over. And here we're all ganging up on you...

Stick around... have a few conversations. We all may learn something from each other.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

23. self-edit

delete

[texasleo]

27. good thing you caught it

[mogster]

28. Not so, here's from BBC

Seeking justice in Dujail

The charge sheet includes the killing of 5,000 Kurdish civilians in the chemical attack on Halabja in 1988 and the deaths of thousands of Shia and Kurdish civilians after the first Gulf War.

But it could be months before either of these cases is heard.

Instead, the first charge facing the former Iraqi president and his co-defendants is relatively unknown.

It concerns the killing of 143 people from Dujail, a mixed town of Sunni and Shia Arabs some 60km north of Baghdad, and a train of events that began one stifling hot day in 1982.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4350104.stm

[Turn CO Blue]

39. OP means assassination attempt against Saddam, not Bush Sr.

Read much?

Granted, "president" may be a little vague as to which proper name is being referred to in that sentence, but re-reading it would have helped you understand that Saddam's forces were retaliating against Shias for an attempt on SADDAM'S life.

Why would you assume "president" in that sentence meant Bush Sr? Why the hell would Saddam kill Shias for attempting to kill Bush Sr.?

Really! Ack! Some days around here...

[femrap]

16. I love it when a point is made sooooooooo

succinctly....you rock!

[Tom Joad]

22. And don't forget this wisdom from Danny Pipes, W's advisor...

Arm Saddam. Give him weapons...
http://tomjoad.org/pipes.htm

Back Iraq
It's Time for a U.S. Tilt
by Daniel Pipes and Laurie Mylroie
From that neocon shit magazine The New Republic
April 27, 1987

[SlavesandBulldozers]

24. Laurie Mylroie

interesting.

isn't she a neo-con who constantly pushed for AQ-Saddam connections as a casus belli?

[robertpaulsen]

25. Holy shit! Is that the same Laurie Mylroie who says Saddam did 9/11?

And the '93 WTC bombing, the anthrax attacks, etc., ad nauseum? The same Laurie Mylroie who wrote a book with Judy Miller?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurie_Mylroie

Not much changes. Back in the 80's she was full of shit. Now she's full of BULLSHIT!

[AntiFascist]

26. This simple point (which I'm sure KO would have no problem delivering)

should be reason enough for the powers-that-be NOT to push for a pre-election sentencing of Saddam, don't you think?

On edit: too late, I guess.

[Jokinomx]

29. Listening to NPR yesterday...

The piece was about how the U.S. had dropped 50,000 bombs on Iraq from the beginning of the war to the end of 2004. The person in charge of determining the strikes stated that they did everything possible to reduce civilian deaths with collateral damage. If the proposed strike would kill 30 civilians or less it was a go... if that number was over 30 the pResident or rummy had to personally authorize the strike. (I wonder how many times that happened?)

I am not condoning hussein's response to an assassination attempt... but I am pretty certain at least a few of those first 50,000 bombs killed more than Hussein's "collateral" damage trying to rid Iraq of his "insurgents"...

He was a bad man... who ruled ruthlessly... he was not a threat to the U.S. and at least he kept the peace in his country amongst some pretty radical ideologies.

Peace...

[AIJ Alom]

30. Wow. point #1 is already here. K+R.

I stand corrected.

[AIJ Alom]

31. For those of you that don't get it, here's the 1983 reference in all

it's glory....




http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/


History's a b*tch, ay Rummy ???

[RestoreGore]

32. Too bad he'll never be put on trial....

Americans don't take such things seriously as a whole. Hell, to even mention impeaching them gets you trashed in so many places by Democrats no less who want Bush to stay there to set it up for 2008 no matter what crimes he commits. Perhaps one day when political powerplaying is truly trumped by morality we'll see justice, but I'm not holding my breath.

[rman]

33. 1982: Ronald Reagan drops Iraq from list of states supporting terrorism

from
Noam Chomsky On Just War Theory and the Invasion of Iraq, West Point, C-SPAN2 (April 20, 2006)
http://www.booktv.org/feature/index.asp?segid=7022&schedID=428


"Saddam is on trial for crimes he committed in 1982. (...) 1982 happens to be an important year in US-Iraqi relations. This should be headlines in a free press, in my opinion. 1982 is the year in which Ronald Reagan dropped Iraq from the list of states supporting terrorism, so that the US could start providing Saddam with extensive aid, including military aid, including means to develop biological and chemical weapons and missiles and nuclear weapons, and Donald Rumsfeld shortly after went to firm up the agreement.
The next charge against Saddam is a much more serious crime; the atrocities against the Kurds in 1987 and 1988 - the US did not object. In fact the Reagan administration blocked efforts in Congress even to protest against it. Furthermore the support for Saddam increased and continued. In fact Saddam was given an extraordinary privilege; he got away with attacking a US naval vessel and killing 37 soldiers in 1987. The Reagan administration was so strongly in support of Saddam right through the worst atrocities they even let him get away with that.
And this continued. After the war with Iran, after the worst atrocities, in 1989 Iraqi nuclear engineers were invited to the US to take part in a conference in Portland, Oregon where they were trained to develop weapons of mass destruction. And Bush number 1 told us why this was being done, he said we have to provide aid to Saddam because it is our responsibility to help US exporters and because Saddam contributes to stability in the region.
After the invasion of Kuwait the US had total control of the area. There was an uprising in march, april 1991, a Shiite uprising in the south that probably would have overthrown Saddam. The Bush administration determined that they would essentially permit Saddam to crush it. That led to a huge massacre. And it was described in the NYT; they said it is regrettable but there's a consensus among the US and its allies (being Saudi Arabia and Britain) that Saddam Husein offers more hope for stability in the region then those who were trying to overthrow him."
- Noam Chomsky

[NJmaverick]

34. Get the word out people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This imagine (along with the important dates) should be on every message board on the internet!

[EFerrari]

36. Google is our friend. n/t

[wicket]

35. Video here:

From the video forum.

[helderheid]

37. kick and RECOMMENDED

[Lena inRI]

38. Way to go texasleo!

STING 'EM WITH THE

TRUTH

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[texasleo]

41. thanks, RI Lena!

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[HappyWeasel]

43. hey..

That would actually be good for an anti-invasion picket sign.

[mentalsolstice]

44. Those two should hang out together more often. n/t