Let's Face It, Most Of The Democratic Leadership Wants Alito In Power

[Cronus Protagonist]

I bet more than a few of them see this as a way to dominate local politics and energize the party, pretty much in complete alignment with the Nader platform of 2000. In other words, some hope we have a rightward swing of the Supreme Court and all branches of government in order to win in the future.

Perhaps the rest of the more moderate politicians hold that as their consolation prize and are therefore lethargic about this horrible attack on our form of government as, either way, there's something in it for them - so why bother fighting and risk the attack of the GOP echo chamber?

In any case, for sure, there are FAR too many of them acting FAR too complacently about this leap into fascism. If I could spit on them, I would.

Color me angry.

:grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr:

[mmonk]

1. No, they are just scared of the opposition and the

media spin. Only a few of them are even fit to lead.

[leftofthedial]

2. subject line is correct

but IMHO your reason is mostly not

they want Scalito because their corporate masters want Scalito

Those who support Scalito will pay a steep price at the polls

[converted_democrat]

11. You are correct, it's all about the corporate masters..

That's why we have the Bankruptcy Bill, The medicare Drug Benefit, CAFTA, The Energy Bill, and all of the other monstrosities that pass as legislation..

[Roho]

19. so are you saying

that all the no votes were only agreed apon once they were certain there was no chance of Alito being defeated?

[leftofthedial]

28. you'd have to ask the lobbyists

if you want to know how the Dem Senators plan to vote.

[dmkinsey]

3. Hardly

I think they've counted the votes and realize that there aren't the votes to prevail

[Wordie]

4. Would all you naysayers just STOP posting this crap and get on the phone

and help convince Senators they need to support the filibuster???

Your energy could be better spent. If the filibuster goes down, will it be because of people like you who wasted your time with negativity, instead of WORKING to make it happen????

We don't have much time. If you make those calls, you could HELP make it happen. If you WANT it to happen, your course is clear.

[Cronus Protagonist]

13. I'll spend my time any damn way I like

And quit blaming me for the Democratic leadership's total ineptitude.

Thanks.

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[Cronus Protagonist]

26. Cool. I'm proud of it.

And you just have no idea what I've been doing. You think that it took all my time for the last several months to write a single thread? So much that I couldn't and haven't done anything at all? Really?

I have news for you, but you won't get it if I'm on ignore, which is fine - that's your choice, but for those who are less judgemental and more informed, take it from me, I have been doing and will do plenty. It doesn't take that much time to write a thread here, and certainly not too much for me to not be able to do anything elses. And I can chew gum at the same time too...

:evilgrin:

[0007]

31. Spend some time and call these numbers

Ken Salazar of Colorado (1-888-355-3588 PRESS 2 or 202-224-5852)

Ben Nelson of Nebraska (202-224-6551)

Bill Nelson of Florida (202-224-5274) need your phone calls.

Evan Bayh is also on the fence on voting for Alito and the filibuster! CALL: [phone]

Robert Byrd - 202-224-3954 or 304-343-7144 or 304-342-5855 or
http://byrd.senate.gov/byrd_email.html

JOE LIEBERMAN* - [phone] OR FAX [phone]

Lincoln Chafee (R-RI) [phone]

Joe Biden. 202-224-5042

KENT CONRAD of ND - Phone: [phone]

Frank Lautenburg (D-NJ) - [phone] - http://lautenberg.senate.gov/webform.html

Robert Menendez (D-NJ) - [phone]

Mary Landrieu - [phone]

Tim Johnson (ND) - [phone]

Barack Obama (IL) - [phone]

Republican Lamar Alexander (R-TN) - moderate, possibly could be moved. TRY. (202)
224-4944

Ben Nelson (NE) originally stated he would vote Yes for Alito. But it looks like he is putting his
finger in the wind. He is now taking calls and tallies as well: 202-224-6551

[stillcool]

5. Today, I see it as the final check-point...

before we go over the cliff. If life goes on...as in so many other outrages, the charade will be over. It has taken me this long to figure out that things are not at all what they seem. The one thing I didn't figure on, was the extent to which the Senate is bought and paid for. Now that elections can be manipulated with such ease...no one is accountable.

[OneBlueSky]

6. the makeup of the Supreme Court is more about economic issues . . .

than social issues like abortion and gay rights . . . and elected politicians who are funded by corporations must acquiesce to their sponsors' wishes to have a corporate-friendly court -- or risk being cut off . . . and that's what Alito will help provide, a corporate-friendly court . . .

[Cronus Protagonist]

14. I think it cuts a MUCH broader swath than you think

It's about an imperial presidency, civil rights, economy, EVERYTHING. Our very system of government is at stake and the Democratic leadership is almost entirely MIA.

(with a nod to Mr. Kerry for stepping up to the plate, albeit too little too late)

[hvn_nbr_2]

7. If that's their reasoning, I think they severely miscalculate.

1. In the Alito fascist state, they won't be winning anything in the future.

2. They're less likely to energize the party than to drive a wedge between them and a significant part of the party's base. Based on a lot of what I see here on DU, they're more likely to energize the Green party than the Democratic party.

[Cronus Protagonist]

15. I agree with you

I wish you and I could educate these morons in the Senate, though.

[BootinUp]

8. That is just not supported by any facts.

The leadership cannot vote for all the Dem Senators.

[Cronus Protagonist]

16. The GOP votes in lockstep with their leadership time and again

Where's the Democratic leadership? Why haven't they been browbeating and arm-twisting for the last several months? And if they have, where are the results? The bottom line is that they're ineffective as leaders. Period.

[Roho]

20. I

I asked in a thread what mechanisms the leadership had to force lookstep and was told none. Do you have any reason to doubt that?

[Cronus Protagonist]

24. They have the same mechanisms avialable as the GOP

Do you doubt that? I would settle for less than lockstep, but we don't even have close to it. Why not? Who's at fault? How would we prevent this disastrous situation in future?

A leadership change should certainly be on the table, wouldn't you agree?

[BootinUp]

22. It just doesn't seem fair

I know.

The Red State Senators have a reason for taking these positions. All the threats from the dem leadership would do is drive a bigger wedge between them. There has to be real leverage, and the fact is the Dem leadership does not have it over these Senators. The Repuke leadership has it. Talk to any of our former Red State Senators that lost in recent years.

[Pirate Smile]

9. No, they don't.

[seabeyond]

10. most dems are for abortion? are you just making things up? n/t

[TahitiNut]

12. So, you're saying Alito is the Democrats' LIHOP?

Interesting. :shrug:

[seabeyond]

17. i rate this post even more stupid than the one on hillary n/t

[Cronus Protagonist]

18. Thanks for the kick

If nothing else.

[Avalux]

21. Of course, you are entitled to your opinion.

However I choose to disagree. :hi:

[Cronus Protagonist]

25. Thanks

In addition to disagreeing, would you let me know what is it about the current situation that keeps you happy with the Democratic leadership, other than Xanax, of course.

:evilgrin:

[Cronus Protagonist]

27. Even Will Pitt agrees on principle

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x257952

It's not often we're of the same mind on these things.... in fact, I think this is a first.

:evilgrin:

[digno dave]

29. This is what happens when you lose presidential elections

what else could you have expected from Bush.

[Orangepeel]

30. So what is "most"? 20%?

"Too many" I'll grant. But "most?" Not hardly.

How many Senators are not willing to filibuster? 5 or 6 out of 44? It is hard to say how many non-Senators are "lethargic" since they don't have to vote, but I don't believe it is more than half (which is my definition of "most.")

[applegrove]

32. NO they don't. The red state Dems just need to get elected.