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CTLawGuy
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Fri Mar-03-06 03:21 PM Original message |
The problem with the Abortion debate |
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BOSSHOG
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Fri Mar-03-06 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
1. Fetus or not |
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CTLawGuy
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Fri Mar-03-06 03:28 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. not meaning to be antagonistic |
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BOSSHOG
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Fri Mar-03-06 03:36 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. More importantly |
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CTLawGuy
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Fri Mar-03-06 03:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. the point of my question is |
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BOSSHOG
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Fri Mar-03-06 03:43 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. What they "believe" |
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CTLawGuy
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Fri Mar-03-06 03:47 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. im glad you spent 24 years in uniform defending our Constitution |
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ayeshahaqqiqa
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Fri Mar-03-06 03:58 PM Response to Reply #9 |
25. my argument is that the zygote is not a viable human being |
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madeline_con
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Fri Mar-03-06 09:59 PM Response to Reply #25 |
45. What about the post zygote stages, when it does look human?n/t |
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ayeshahaqqiqa
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Fri Mar-03-06 10:15 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. For them, it won't make a difference |
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Sat Mar-04-06 12:12 PM Response to Reply #45 |
105. It also looks like a worm at some stages n/t |
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Yupster
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Sat Mar-04-06 02:17 PM Response to Reply #9 |
109. With all due respect darboy, |
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KittyWampus
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Sat Mar-04-06 06:44 PM Response to Reply #109 |
122. Hmm, I would say fetus is alive but not capable of supporting a human |
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MadMaddie
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Fri Mar-03-06 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
3. I think that you have a noble idea.... |
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atreides1
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Fri Mar-03-06 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
4. You have a point |
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BOSSHOG
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Fri Mar-03-06 03:41 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. FYI |
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TallahasseeGrannie
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Fri Mar-03-06 07:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
41. Is that really true? |
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mmonk
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Fri Mar-03-06 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
5. My argument is basically the following |
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CTLawGuy
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Fri Mar-03-06 03:35 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. and anti-choicers will say |
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mmonk
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Fri Mar-03-06 03:41 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. They are emotion based |
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CTLawGuy
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Fri Mar-03-06 03:56 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. our side is extremely emotion based too |
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mmonk
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Sat Mar-04-06 07:15 AM Response to Reply #24 |
76. Saying people are for murder is about as emotion based |
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CTLawGuy
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Sat Mar-04-06 10:59 AM Response to Reply #76 |
94. absolutely true |
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mmonk
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Mon Mar-06-06 01:16 AM Response to Reply #94 |
148. While some may say things that give an |
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NoAmericanTaliban
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Fri Mar-03-06 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
8. It is a control issue by religious fundamentalist |
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CTLawGuy
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Fri Mar-03-06 03:42 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. I think that |
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mmonk
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Fri Mar-03-06 03:46 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Tell them the death penalty is murder. Tell them war |
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TallahasseeGrannie
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Fri Mar-03-06 07:49 PM Response to Reply #18 |
39. Yes, and the Catholic Church |
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mmonk
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Sat Mar-04-06 06:57 AM Response to Reply #39 |
75. True, they are consistent. |
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TallahasseeGrannie
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Sat Mar-04-06 11:50 AM Response to Reply #75 |
100. I agree and that makes no sense to me |
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Tierra_y_Libertad
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Fri Mar-03-06 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
10. The pro-preggers regard pregnancy as punishment for sin. |
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CTLawGuy
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Fri Mar-03-06 03:45 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. Do you have any statements of theirs that back up your assertion? |
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Tierra_y_Libertad
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Fri Mar-03-06 04:15 PM Response to Reply #16 |
29. Try these. |
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CTLawGuy
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Sat Mar-04-06 10:46 AM Response to Reply #29 |
90. none of those are QUITE on point but |
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madeline_con
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Fri Mar-03-06 10:01 PM Response to Reply #16 |
47. I've read that, too. |
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Minnesota Libra
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Fri Mar-03-06 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
15. As long as liberals allow neocons to set the terminology....... |
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phylny
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Sat Mar-04-06 07:21 AM Response to Reply #15 |
77. The phrase you use, "abortion on demand," is a right-wing propaganda |
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Fri Mar-03-06 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
17. The religiously insane believe that "the soul" is joined to the body |
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TallahasseeGrannie
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Fri Mar-03-06 07:55 PM Response to Reply #17 |
40. That is the most intellectual explanation for what I think of as a very |
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napi21
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Fri Mar-03-06 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
20. Approaching the abortion argument on when life begines is a looser! |
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CTLawGuy
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Fri Mar-03-06 03:55 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. If I kill somebody |
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Minnesota Libra
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Fri Mar-03-06 04:20 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. See #15 for a different way tro approach the issue nt |
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Lolivia
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Fri Mar-03-06 06:18 PM Response to Reply #23 |
38. I *can* assert free will even if it leads to someone's death |
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CTLawGuy
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Fri Mar-03-06 09:54 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. well technically |
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Lolivia
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Fri Mar-03-06 10:02 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Parents can give up their children |
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CTLawGuy
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Sat Mar-04-06 03:00 AM Response to Reply #48 |
68. that's true |
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Lolivia
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Sat Mar-04-06 06:27 PM Response to Reply #68 |
120. As I've pointed out |
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CTLawGuy
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Sat Mar-04-06 08:30 PM Response to Reply #120 |
133. they shouldn't bear that burden |
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Lolivia
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Sat Mar-04-06 10:11 PM Response to Reply #133 |
137. So that "worldview" has been defeated |
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Warpy
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Fri Mar-03-06 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
21. The problem is the failure to agree that a WOMAN is a human being |
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omega minimo
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Sat Mar-04-06 12:02 AM Response to Reply #21 |
65. DingdingDingding DingdingDingdingDing dingDingDingDing |
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CTLawGuy
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Sat Mar-04-06 10:38 AM Response to Reply #21 |
89. so if you ask a right winger |
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ayeshahaqqiqa
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Fri Mar-03-06 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
22. Problem I've found is that |
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Minnesota Libra
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Fri Mar-03-06 10:29 PM Response to Reply #22 |
58. That is where you are wrong, some who may....... |
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ayeshahaqqiqa
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Sat Mar-04-06 10:50 AM Response to Reply #58 |
92. I am speaking only from my personal experience |
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TallahasseeGrannie
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Sat Mar-04-06 08:21 PM Response to Reply #22 |
131. Isn't that just Roman Catholics? |
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Lolivia
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Sun Mar-05-06 02:31 AM Response to Reply #131 |
138. There are plenty of religious fundamentalists who oppose BC |
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Solly Mack
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Fri Mar-03-06 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
26. Human women don't give birth to puppies and kittens - so uh |
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SidDithers
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Fri Mar-03-06 04:12 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Good post, Solly |
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Solly Mack
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Fri Mar-03-06 04:18 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Thanks, SidDithers |
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CTLawGuy
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Sat Mar-04-06 10:52 AM Response to Reply #26 |
93. thanks for the rant |
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Solly Mack
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Sat Mar-04-06 02:21 PM Response to Reply #93 |
110. LMAO |
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CTLawGuy
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Sat Mar-04-06 08:05 PM Response to Reply #110 |
128. self-deleted |
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Solly Mack
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Sat Mar-04-06 09:54 PM Response to Reply #128 |
136. ROFLMAO Got milk? |
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CTLawGuy
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Sun Mar-05-06 03:20 PM Response to Reply #136 |
140. oh wow, a "got milk?" reference |
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Solly Mack
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Sun Mar-05-06 05:42 PM Response to Reply #140 |
141. For you - to go with your whine |
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CTLawGuy
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Sun Mar-05-06 06:53 PM Response to Reply #141 |
142. shouldn't you be doing your homework now? |
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Solly Mack
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Sun Mar-05-06 07:07 PM Response to Reply #142 |
143. LOL this coming from someone who doesn't know a human fetus is a human? |
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Sun Mar-05-06 07:23 PM Response to Reply #143 |
144. Deleted sub-thread |
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Fri Mar-03-06 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
27. Of course it's human |
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SmokingJacket
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Fri Mar-03-06 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
30. I think the solution we came up with thirty years ago worked out fine... |
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Fri Mar-03-06 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
31. No compromise - people should stay out of other people's business |
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Arkansas Granny
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Fri Mar-03-06 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
34. Part of the problem with the debate concerning abortion is that a |
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madeline_con
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Fri Mar-03-06 10:03 PM Response to Reply #34 |
50. Is that ambivalent? |
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Arkansas Granny
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Fri Mar-03-06 10:23 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. I'm quoting poll figures here, not my personal opinion, to show |
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madeline_con
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Fri Mar-03-06 10:25 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. I know, but I don't get why they said "ambivalent". |
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Fri Mar-03-06 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
35. pro-"life" |
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Fri Mar-03-06 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
36. Here's Another Perspective |
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madeline_con
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Fri Mar-03-06 10:05 PM Response to Reply #36 |
51. They'll argue those were "God's will". |
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laundry_queen
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Fri Mar-03-06 11:57 PM Response to Reply #51 |
64. my argument to that is that then it is God's will... |
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madeline_con
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Sat Mar-04-06 01:06 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. There's also the argument that an all powerful God.... |
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Fri Mar-03-06 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
37. you are all wrong and are playing into anti choice hands |
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Sat Mar-04-06 08:04 AM Response to Reply #37 |
80. What is the male form of abortion? |
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TallahasseeGrannie
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Fri Mar-03-06 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
42. It is my personal belief that life begins at conception |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME
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Fri Mar-03-06 10:02 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. I'm With Ya. I Believe Abortion Is Murder Too, |
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CTLawGuy
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Sat Mar-04-06 11:19 AM Response to Reply #49 |
95. so I guess your view is that abortions should be minimized |
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Fri Mar-03-06 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
44. I beg to differ.... |
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Fri Mar-03-06 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
46. OR, women could decide for themselves |
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Fri Mar-03-06 10:56 PM Response to Reply #46 |
59. As I've pointed out in other threads... |
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Fri Mar-03-06 11:33 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. You respect women as independent individuals |
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Fri Mar-03-06 11:38 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Because it could be your SO being denied life saving care someday. |
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Fri Mar-03-06 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
52. I don't follow you into your doctor's office to see if what you're doing |
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Fri Mar-03-06 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
54. The biggest problem in the abortion argument from the Christian |
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Sat Mar-04-06 08:16 AM Response to Reply #54 |
81. Just a personal comment |
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Sun Mar-05-06 09:59 AM Response to Reply #81 |
139. I think it's fine for people to make this decision for themselves, BUT |
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Fri Mar-03-06 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
57. Roe v Wade already is the compromise of which you speak |
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Fri Mar-03-06 11:45 PM Response to Original message |
62. I'm Not Anti Choice, But I'm Not Pro Abortion Either |
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Fri Mar-03-06 11:54 PM Response to Original message |
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Sat Mar-04-06 03:16 AM Response to Reply #63 |
69. It's offensive to make such an accusation against an established poster. |
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Sat Mar-04-06 04:11 AM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Offensive is a false dichotomy pinpointed as the core of a debate |
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Sat Mar-04-06 08:29 AM Response to Reply #71 |
83. Well... |
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CTLawGuy
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Sat Mar-04-06 10:33 AM Response to Reply #83 |
87. I think some people |
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omega minimo
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Sat Mar-04-06 05:06 PM Response to Reply #87 |
114. I read it. |
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Sat Mar-04-06 05:26 PM Response to Reply #114 |
117. Deleted message |
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Sat Mar-04-06 05:33 PM Response to Reply #117 |
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Sat Mar-04-06 04:55 PM Response to Reply #83 |
112. Whether by intention or ignorance |
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CTLawGuy
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Sat Mar-04-06 10:24 AM Response to Reply #71 |
85. so, I can write you down as |
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Sat Mar-04-06 12:13 PM Response to Reply #85 |
106. *Cough Cough* Strawman *Cough Cough* nt |
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Sat Mar-04-06 11:58 AM Response to Reply #71 |
101. do you believe it is a false dichotomy because |
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Sat Mar-04-06 05:20 PM Response to Reply #71 |
116. You're acting pretty crazy, you know that? |
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omega minimo
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Sat Mar-04-06 05:27 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. False choices are never the key to a debate, discussion or thread |
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CTLawGuy
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Sat Mar-04-06 08:31 PM Response to Reply #116 |
134. its weird |
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Sat Mar-04-06 06:18 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. The ARGUMENT is Offensive Bullshit |
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Sat Mar-04-06 09:03 AM Response to Reply #72 |
84. I agree that is at least half of the issue |
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Mon Mar-06-06 05:27 AM Response to Reply #84 |
152. 'Life' at Conception is New |
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CTLawGuy
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Sat Mar-04-06 10:25 AM Response to Reply #72 |
86. wow |
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Mon Mar-06-06 05:19 AM Response to Reply #86 |
151. The Irony Is Fucking Priceless. |
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CTLawGuy
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Sat Mar-04-06 12:08 PM Response to Reply #72 |
103. what you think the debate is about is not much of a debate |
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REP
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Mon Mar-06-06 05:18 AM Response to Reply #103 |
150. If You Listened, You Would |
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Sat Mar-04-06 04:59 PM Response to Reply #72 |
113. "The abortion debate is about who control's a woman's body..." |
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Sat Mar-04-06 08:24 AM Response to Reply #63 |
82. Freeptroll bullshit? |
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Sat Mar-04-06 10:36 AM Response to Reply #63 |
88. Don't Be Such An Extremist Just Because Someone Has A Differing Opinion |
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CTLawGuy
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Sat Mar-04-06 10:50 AM Response to Reply #88 |
91. thank you |
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Sat Mar-04-06 11:22 AM Response to Reply #91 |
96. No Problem. I Think Your Post Was Quite Well Thought Out And Appropriate |
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omega minimo
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Sat Mar-04-06 05:16 PM Response to Reply #96 |
115. "rationality & perspective without even the slightest hint of provocation" |
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Sat Mar-04-06 06:40 PM Response to Reply #115 |
121. If You've Noticed, The Offending Post Was Deleted. |
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omega minimo
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Sat Mar-04-06 07:10 PM Response to Reply #121 |
125. LOL |
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Sat Mar-04-06 07:22 PM Response to Reply #125 |
126. LMAO! |
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omega minimo
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Sat Mar-04-06 07:40 PM Response to Reply #126 |
127. Level of ignorance here on reproductive rights issues = no laughing matter |
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Sat Mar-04-06 08:19 PM Response to Reply #127 |
130. Again, Calling People Ignorant Because They Have A Different Perspective |
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Mon Mar-06-06 05:30 AM Response to Reply #130 |
153. Ignorance Means Lack Of Knowledge, Not Differing Opinion |
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Mon Mar-06-06 05:27 PM Response to Reply #153 |
156. I Don't Believe His Knowledge Was Lacking. I Believe His Perception Is |
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CTLawGuy
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Sat Mar-04-06 08:29 PM Response to Reply #127 |
132. huh? |
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laundry_queen
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Sat Mar-04-06 12:10 AM Response to Original message |
66. "Some religions believe the soul does not enter the fetus until |
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Sat Mar-04-06 06:55 AM Response to Reply #66 |
74. Don't forget the Catholics |
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Sat Mar-04-06 07:31 AM Response to Reply #74 |
78. Not all Catholics believe it, not even Popes: |
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Sat Mar-04-06 03:31 AM Response to Original message |
70. You're never going to defeat their worldview. |
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Sat Mar-04-06 06:35 AM Response to Original message |
73. there is no real debate |
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Sat Mar-04-06 11:49 AM Response to Reply #73 |
99. Here in the Bible belt |
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Sat Mar-04-06 03:07 PM Response to Reply #99 |
111. That is refreshing to hear! |
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Sat Mar-04-06 08:17 PM Response to Reply #111 |
129. They are mostly Roman Catholic |
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Sat Mar-04-06 07:40 AM Response to Original message |
79. How about this approach? |
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Sat Mar-04-06 11:47 AM Response to Reply #79 |
97. I don't want to be arugmentative at |
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mmonk
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Mon Mar-06-06 01:09 AM Response to Reply #97 |
147. Sorry I've taken so long to get back to this. |
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Sat Mar-04-06 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
98. let's put this another way |
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Sat Mar-04-06 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
102. Would it help to compare it to slavery? |
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Sat Mar-04-06 12:12 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. so are you against a legal duty for parents to care for their children? |
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Sat Mar-04-06 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
107. If I were to need a kidney transplant... |
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Mon Mar-06-06 05:31 AM Response to Reply #107 |
154. I WILL Need a Kidney Tx |
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Sat Mar-04-06 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
108. The question is not whether it's alive... |
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Sat Mar-04-06 06:56 PM Response to Reply #108 |
123. Good observation! |
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Sat Mar-04-06 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
124. Darboy, yes, you have a point and this issue will never go |
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Sat Mar-04-06 08:34 PM Response to Original message |
135. A fetus is alive -- but it has no life independent of the mother |
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Sun Mar-05-06 07:56 PM Response to Original message |
145. Fundies do not argue against infertility treatments - why not? |
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Sun Mar-05-06 08:22 PM Response to Reply #145 |
146. thanks for your intelligent response |
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Mon Mar-06-06 01:20 AM Response to Original message |
149. The arguments of the anti-choice have hidden agenda |
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Mon Mar-06-06 06:04 AM Response to Original message |
155. Respectfully disagree. |
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Mon Mar-06-06 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
157. You completely miss the point |
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