A Plea for Men to Stay Out of the Abortion Question

[Caro]

Keep off this subject, men! Unless you’re willing to accept full responsibility for your own sexual activities and those of other men. And when you go to Dallas, stay with Amelia.

Message from Amelia Core Jenkins

A Plea for Men to Stay Out of the Abortion Question

With the possible exception of Mary Christ, no woman has ever gotten pregnant without sperm. Only men can produce sperm. A scant spoonful of sperm is the total contribution a man can make to the creation of human life. Men cannot incubate and produce humans. Men’s sperm causes unwanted pregnancies.

Since men control women’s rights to decide whether a hastily ejaculated spoonful of sperm will result in human life or not, I suggest that an Amendment to the United States Constitution be passed requiring the infant of any woman refused abortion to be reared by its father and that its rearing be monitored constantly by the courts. If the father refuses his legal responsibility or mishandles it, then he would be imprisoned, sentenced to hard labor, until the child is eighteen. A part of the same new law would require that a lottery be held which would award the unwanted, rejected infant, child, or teenager to a lucky anti-abortionist. The new amendment would be called the "Right to Life Reality Lottery – RLRL -, "Real Real" for short…

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[mitchtv]

1. as long as you take responsibility for other womens activities

what a silly statement

[Drum]

3. lol

my first thought, as well

[beyurslf]

2. Sounds good to me. But I am a man.

[sendero]

4. Folks who say ..

... "sperm" when they mean "semen" don't inspire me to continue reading any further :)

[mike_c]

5. that one actually bugs the hell out of me, too....

eom

[undergroundpanther]

7. All it takes is ONE SPERM

to get to the egg to fetilize it,. ONE.

Sperm are the reproductive cells in men. (The swimming fertility offenders)

They are produced by the seminiferous tubules of the testicles. Sperm pass through tubes called the vasa deferentia to other glands, where they mix with seminal fluids that are produced by the seminal vesicles. Seminal fluid that contains sperm is called semen. Once semen leaves the body through a guy's penis, it is also called ejaculate. Each drop of healthy ejaculate contains millions of sperm.


And yes men need to THINK before they fuck just as much as women do,and frankly some women are terrified of pregancy.But men sweet talk them,men complain condoms are too tight,men say just let me put it in for a minute. I don't hear of women saying that to men as much.Wonder why? Maybe it's because women can get pregnant men cannot.

Learn biology dude . http://www.teenwire.com/ask/2005/as-20050711p1067-sperm.php
Stay out of the argument. It's not your issue to control.

[WilliamPitt]

6. No

[undergroundpanther]

14. Takes just one sperm to fertilize an egg.

Where were you in sex ed class?

[WilliamPitt]

18. Sitting at the front of the class

surrounded by women whose right to choose is worth my efforts to defend.

So no, I won't stay out of it.

Thanks for the biology lesson, tho. I always thought it was the stork.

[undergroundpanther]

32. Then why did you say NO?

In response to one sperm to fertilize an egg?
And why the quibbling over words to ignore the message.

[mmonk]

8. Pretty sexist stuff there.

I'm not for abortion so women can walk away from responsibility like men. Two jerks don't make a right or equal rights. I'm against government forcing women to carry pregnancies to term or forcing them underground in unsafe or unclean conditions. This does not help the cause or case for abortion rights.

[undergroundpanther]

10. Then look at the -problems men cause equally

Look at how men often shirk responsibilies for boring,drugery and mundane things like housework,doing dishes ,laundry or cleaning up messes,diapering kids or sitting up with them while they are sick.Women often are stuck doing this shit by default. and it is not even discussed.Men sometimes leave things for women to clean up like never cleaning the tiolet,or leaving socks on the floor..It's pretty oblivious in some men yet women notice it.
These oblivious men by thier actions still expect women to tend to them by thier unconcern about things they do. You might not be this way yourself or you might like this and be unaware of sexism you have internalized as if it was normal.Men interrupt women ,talk over them, talk down to them,or just ignore them and devalue thier points and contributions. I see it everyday."Male entitlement" assumptions still happens in a billion small WAYS.
And I for one am sick of it.

[mmonk]

15. I do laundry, cook, take kids to school, etc.

keep your stereotyping to yourself. Without a man, you wouldn't be here (takes two, even with test tube babies).

[undergroundpanther]

17. I gave you an out. I did not say you were like this

I say ALOT of men ARE still this way however..THEY are a problem.

[Mythsaje]

21. I'd debate you on this...

But I have to clean the kitchen, do some laundry, do some web design work for my wife, dig out a rosebush in the yard that's tangled in some kind of small tree, make sure my wife's shows are set to record on the DVR, take out the garbage, vacuum the living room, build a fence for the flower garden, make the bed, feed the dogs, cook dinner, and mow the lawn this week. In between working on my newest writing project and trying to find another day job. So I'm a little busy. I'll get back to you when I'm done.

[undergroundpanther]

28. Hmm defensive?

Alot of women are titred of"male priveleges"because historically this is how unequal ithas been for women, and because alot of women are sick of having it be assumed they are the caretakers the"submissives",don't get defensive about how much work women do,because being defensive just makes it look like you want a reward for the thankless work women still do and have done historically..
I am glad you help out your wife you could be a role model to sexist men who assume they are entitled to be tended to.

[marcapolo]

9. You must be kidding

Your post implies that all men are hit-and-run ejaculators and that it doesn't, in fact, take two to tango. Both men and women are responsible for birth control, and many men do become very involved in the woman's decision to get an abortion or have the child. And to advocate some kind of draconian society where the emphasis is put not on the well-being of mother and child but on the punishment of men and anti-abortionists is just crazy.

[undergroundpanther]

12. Women have LIVED with this "draconioan"

Situation for YEARS. Who gets stuck with the baby more often than not? The woman does... Breast feeding is taboo (because fundie or controlling or just stupid men among us are scared of boobs)So considering boobs are not needed anymore why can't men pick up a bottle and do thier duty..? What's wrong with giving the baby to daddy in court.

Mommy has had to take care of it by default for YEARS..Time for men grow up to take it..like a woman.
Time's up for men's social patriarcial"holiday" at the expense of women.

[Mythsaje]

22. I was raised by my father...

My MOTHER abandoned us when I was 3 months old. The only reason I exist is because my father talked her out of having an abortion and volunteered to raise me himself.

He did a fair job, all things considered.

[BiggJawn]

33. Save your breath...

The Panther's head is all full of poison, don't try to confuse them with FACTS.

[Mythsaje]

11. Okay...

None of my business. I get it.

Good luck.

[undergroundpanther]

13. thank you.

[Mythsaje]

24. Of course, you do realize

that a lot of men have gone to bat for women on this issue all along.

But, hey, blame US for what the yahoos are doing. Makes sense.

[BiggJawn]

16. Oooh! Hard labour in Prison!

Would have been A-OK to see my ex get that after shipping my daughter to me "because she's getting hard to handle", then not paying even the REDUCED support i asked for (against counsel)

Sexist shit like this makes it seem like a female never has sex with a male unless she's being FORCED.

Here's a news flash for you, Amelia, this custodial father doesn't control SHIT. Somebody else is your "Patriarchal" boogieman.

[undergroundpanther]

20. well

Shouldn't have put your dick there.

If you think said woman will be a bad mother to whatever chilsd could happen DON"T HAVE SEX with HER!
Men you do not have to have sex whenever an opputunity arises. You can say no.

[BiggJawn]

27. Say what?

My ex-wife ducks out of HER responsibility, and that's somehow still MY fault?

S'yeah, right.

And when did MY sex life become a matter of YOUR concern?

"If you think said woman will be a bad mother to whatever child could happen..."

What a pants-load of smelly greasy shit! And I suppose *YOU* have the special power to look at somebody and know what they're going to do years in the future? You have NO idea, NO FUCKING IDEA what went on there! all you think you know is that i have a pair of functional testicles, and by golly, that's enough to convict me.

Take your "Three legs BAD, Two legs GOOD" Womyn's Studies bullshit it sit on it.

[Rex]

19. I say we divide the planet in half with women on one side and men

on the other. Any procreation/sex/copulation done is legally binding to the two parties involved; NO EXCEPTIONS.

[undergroundpanther]

25. OK

And it must be EQUAL responsibility,than it must be the result of EQUAL,uncocerced and non situationally induced free CONSENT.
Any rapists(date or otherwise) trying to get around the equality and consent clause and try to stick someone with a child are locked up forever . Any molestors male or female who do not respect others consent and harm kids ,killed.

[Rex]

30. No exceptions means no exceptions.

Equal to all under the law man and woman alike.

[Evoman]

29. Not a bad idea

You know what. I don't think that is necessarily a bad idea. The fact is, women have to put up with a lot of bullshit from men. Rapes, beatings, murder. Most of us men are basically animals (although most of us like to think we are the exception). Imagine a scenario where men would be allowed access to women for a couple of months per year on invitation. You would also have only that time to procreate so there wouldnt be huge population growth. Its actually been written about in a series by Rober Sawyer (I think its called the Neanderthal Parallex or something like that). Basically, the men live in one area separate from the women, then come into the women city a couple of times per year. The whole society basically has a time when they procreate.....that way, their is not as much waste. If all children are the same age, then you dont have to waste so much time making clothes and stuff for different aged children. Its kind of a neat story.

Evoman

[TreasonousBastard]

31. And by appointment only, supervised by...

the social services organization of your choice. Or the AKC.

After two conceptions (male causing and female having) mandatory sterilization and hormone treatments to reduce gender differentiation.

[Evoman]

23. I somewhat agree.

Um...thats why I'm pro-choice, not anti-abortion. Pro-choice means that I neither advocate abortions, nor stop others from choosing to have one. And yes, I believe for the most part, men shouldn't have any say in the decision, one way or another. You heard me. NONE.

Although, I do kinda wish that they would do something about a male contraceptive. Condoms are just not good enough. I want a shot or pills or something too. Abstinence sucks.

Evoman

[MrSlayer]

26. No, I think I'll continue on promoting a woman's right to choose.

The only people you are asking to sit this out are the men on your side. The fundies and other anti-choice men are not going to self silence on the issue because you want them to. You need our help on this whether you like it or not. Why would you want them to have twice the voice?

[Iris]

35. Good point, and thanks MrSlayer.

While I'm a bit of the opinion that men should be pro-choice if they have an opinion at all, it is worth mentioning that, in fact, more men than women come up as pro-choice when polls are broken out by gender. So not only would we give the pro-life men double the voice, we'd be losing a large chunk of our support.

[TreasonousBastard]

34. Just what we need-- more rules and demands...

that'll solve the problem fer sure.

[pinto]

36. Locking.

Democratic Underground recognizes men and women as equal partners in forum discussions.

Suggesting that half our members keep off a subject goes against that principle.

Thanks for your consideration.