Pat Buchanan is Blowing a Gasket on Hardball!

[leftchick]

It is hard to listen to him, he is literally yelling into the TV camera about how the media is losing the Iraq War just like the Vietnam War! He needs some meds fast! David Gergan is a pretty cool counter to his insanity. Willie Brown is there as well making a lot of sense. Scream Pat Scream!

[Coexist]

1. Oh man - I gotta go

I hope someone captures it!
bye

[babylonsister]

2. He's screeching, sort of like dimson did this a.m. Two peas... nt

[JuniperLea]

33. Screechy and unhinged?

Damn! Sorry I missed that!

:)

[babylonsister]

37. Replay at 7pmCT, for your

viewing pleasure. :hi:

[JuniperLea]

42. Yay!

Thanks, Sis!

[SteppingRazor]

3. Pretty damn disingenuous of Pat to say, since he's against the war n/t

[fooj]

7. Yep. But how else will he earn his paycheck?

:mad: What a hypocrite.

Peace.

[SammyWinstonJack]

46. Money talks! Especially with this crowd of bush apologists.

Nice fat paycheck and lots of tax cuts, yep, money talks.

[WI_DEM]

4. The media didn't lose the Vietnam war--our government did

by sending troops there in the first place.

[leftchick]

5. Gergen did a nice job

he deflected it pretty well.

[Nite Owl]

6. Thing is the media isn't telling

half of what is happening over there. I suppose that some truth about it too much for us to bear the ugliness and evilness of this administration. The truth hurts it seems.

[KyuzoGator]

8. Whenever someone tells me that liberals are losing the war...

...I remind them that the Republicans have had all the power for five years now. They broke it, they bought it.

[MadMaddie]

9. Pat is confused on where is loyalty should be...

His sane mind tells him the war is wrong and the country is going in the worng direction...

But his neo-con brain goes back to his early Vietnam years and blames the press....

No ones's listening anymore Pat!!

[Daphne08]

10. Bullcrap! Some of us who were adults back then remember

what happened and it was NOT the media!

I'm so sick and tired of seeing history being rewritten.

[leftchick]

12. Gergen pointed that out well

I was impressed with him.

[July]

56. What did Gergen say?

I could use some good talking points, 'cause I know I'm going to be hearing Buchanan's line from a couple of my cousins.

[jpak]

34. Media coverage of the Vietnam War was far greater in depth and breadth

than the I-raq war.

I wonder what "media coverage" is he talking about....

[rodeodance]

11. i am liking what Diane F. is saying.--Fire Rummy!

[rodeodance]

13. says Rummy does what he wants to do regardless of the cost. YUP

[rodeodance]

15. she says this was not a war of wmd. but a war of taking down a regime!

[0007]

16. Right on!

[leftchick]

20. I don't like her centrist DLC approach

"we have to solve the problem politicaly, get a strategy" blah blah blah. Get them the fuck out!

[Clark2008]

39. That's not a DLC approach... that's realistic.

I don't want another Afghanistan, do you?

The liberal approach - based on what progressives stand for - SHOULD be to minimize the damage to our troops and the Iraqi citizens and a timed maneuver out to allow for a political process is more progressive than helicopters on top of mosques.

That said - there are other approaches of Diane's (my cousin by marriage, btw) that ARE DLC. This approach is just not one of them, imho.

[rodeodance]

14. drats i missed old Pat.

[rodeodance]

17. she says after 3 years we have NOT stopped the insurgency-whow

[rodeodance]

18. everything she is saying is a BLAST on Rummy!

[Reciprocity]

21. I'll have to watch this on the repeat. Thanks for posting.

I tuned in for like five seconds after watching Helen Thomas over at CNN. Pat was yelling so loud, I quickly changed to the Food Network.

[mzmolly]

19. He's an "angry conservative" pretty typical really.

;)

[gratuitous]

22. And just as typically

He turns to default mode and blames the media for the glaring mistakes of a government he’d really like to love. It’s bred in their bones, I think, to blame someone else for their own follies. Never a lick of remorse, self-examination or personal culpability. “Ride to the sound of guns” indeed, Mr. Buchanan. As fast as your owie knee will let you, you fucking chickenhawk, willing to play the grand game as long as someone else’s kids are doing the dying.

[Hissyspit]

23. The media DID NOT lose the Vietnam war. Lie. Myth. Smokescreen.

Even the U.S. Army War College came to that conclusion in the early 1980s.

[Gogi]

27. You're so right!

When we abandoned Saigon the Vietcong were pressing on the outskirts of the city. Their soldiers were infiltrating Saigon in preperation for house to house combat, which our military commanders did'nt want.

[Hissyspit]

35. And that was over TEN years into the conflict, if you are three years into

a war and the media BEGINS to report negative things, you have probably already LOST. The Iraq War was lost BEFORE it started, because, like Vietnam, it was predicated on massive falsehoods.

[The Stranger]

24. Let him BLOW!

:woohoo:

[H2O Man]

25. The first half hour

with those three guests was very interesting. Buchanan, who was against the war to begin with, now realizes that President Bush has gotten us into a terrible position, and the amount of fear he feels came through loud and clear. David Gergen was rational, and Brown honest; they made Buchanan's out of control behavior seem more pronounced.

[LittleClarkie]

26. I remember when he tsk, tsked such behavior from

Larry O'Donnell (I think his name was).

Tsk, tsk, Pat. Control yourself, man.

[Reciprocity]

31. I saw that one. We all thought he was drunk.

[AX10]

28. Pat is just a typical CON.

He wants to blame everyone else for his/their own problems.

[enki23]

29. i seem to remember bchanan bashing the iraq adventure plenty

perhaps he should be kicking his own fat ass.

[Botany]

30. Why wasn't Pat in Vietnam?

From Skeleton Closet


VD: A Fun Way to Avoid the Draft?

Despite his harsh pro-Vietnam War rhetoric, Pat Buchanan never served, in war or in peace. The reason why has always been murky - we've read or been emailed that he had flat feet, was wall eyed (the opposite of cross-eyed), or had an arthritic knee.
Buchanan himself said that in 1960, when he was 21, the draft board rejected him because he had Reiter's syndrome. What's that, you ask? It's a form of arthritis usually caused by chlamydia, a venereal disease (at least in America. In third world countries, a form of dysentery is the most common cause.)

When pressed, a Buchanan aide said that if, indeed, sexual contact is the only way to get Reiter's, Buchanan would never have admitted it. That's an honest if cynical response, but it assumes that Buchanan knows what causes Reiter's. He also could have had chlamydia for years, even to this day, without knowing it; chlamydia often has no symptoms, especially in men. Notice also that this aide's statement is not a denial. The Buchanan campaign has refused to confirm or deny whether Pat has had chlamydia or any other venereal diseases.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

38. i can tell you that he came into the rheumatology clinic

at bethesda naval hospital when he worked at the white house.

[DelawareValleyDem]

43. What was Pat's great contribution to the Vietnam effort? nt

[JuniperLea]

32. Fascinating

How the media gets blamed like that yet they continue to suck W & Co's cheesy dick!

How in the hell can words change the course of bombs and bullets? If the media were so powerful, I'm betting they would get those soldiers proper equipment and clean water!

What do "the terrorists and insurgents" and other countries think of us when we can't even provide the basics for our troops?

What do "the terrorists and insurgents" and other countries think when they hear W lying his smarmy ass off day after day? There are intelligent people all over the world with wonderful memories!

What do "the terrorists and insurgents" and other countries think when they hear that W is illegally spying on his own people?

What do "the terrorists and insurgents" and other countries think when they hear W claiming to be a Christian who is spoken to by God, yet he breaks many of God's sacred commandments?

What do "the terrorists and insurgents" and other countries think when W attacked another country for nothing?

W is "losing" the war in Iraq all on his own. He doesn't need any help.

[CottonBear]

36. Thatt's funny: the media are not fighting this war. What an idiot. n/t

[Reciprocity]

40. Repeat coming up.

[Jacobin]

41. Wow. The media is pretty powerful

"defeated us in Viet Nam and now Iraq"

Will these fucks say anything, I mean, anything at all to blame others for their foreign policy blunders?

[Reciprocity]

44. The gasket blowing coming up.

[Beelzebud]

45. Pat is one confused son of a bitch.. I thought he was against this war?

And now he's on TV trying to blame the damn media for a war he was against in the first place?

What a fucking confused moron..

[Skidmore]

49. Pat Buchanan has never gotten over Nixon's downfall.

He was so in the middle of all of that. He's still trying to justify those policies. I'm sure he's having flashbacks now.

[LittleClarkie]

50. That's what I couldn't figure out

He decided in Naderesque fashion during the election year 2004 that there was a "dime's worth of difference" between Bush and Kerry re: the war because neither was going to pull out like Pat wanted to. So which is it, you confused m-er f-er.

[rucky]

51. Pat's a contrarian.

His niche is that he fairly consistantly goes against the flow. When the flow changed from pro to anti Iraq, he reversed his course to stay upstream from the mainstream. That way he gets to stay on the TeeVee, blame the TeeVee, and keep making his mark.

[Fleshdancer]

47. He thinks the MEDIA creates the war plan and exit strategy?

Does the media decide how many troops should be deployed? Does the media provide the proper equipment? Is the media creating the civil war? Does the media consult this administration to take the "hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil" approach to this war?

The MEDIA is losing this war? THE MEDIA? Riiiiiiiiiiight. :eyes:

[brettdale]

48. So its the media fault

How about blaming Bush for the war?

[Neil Lisst]

52. So, it's the media's fault Bush got us in this quagmire!

You know what I love about the "the media and the liberals lost it for us" excuse?!

IT NEVER GETS OLD!!

Maybe, just maybe, the public makes good decisions when it finally gets enough information to call BULLSHIT on the administration. The informed public sees the light, sees the falsehoods told over and over, and sees through the bogus justifications for the war in Iraq.

According to the rightwingers, professors, liberals, and media turn the whole country around. Oh, the power they attribute to us!

[TheBaldyMan]

53. Chickenhawk Pat should know about Vietnam, after how many tours ?

let me see... roughly none at all. He's another draft dodging coward.

[B Calm]

54. How many journalists have died in Iraq?

[H2O Man]

55. I heard 80,

though I do not know how man were from the USA; or if that is killed, or if it is a combination of killed and wounded.

[leftchick]

57. 91 including support workers, mostly Iraqi....

The people who do this work are very brave....

New York, March 17, 2006—Murder has overtaken crossfire and other acts of war as the leading cause of work-related deaths among journalists and media support workers in Iraq, and local journalists are far and away the most vulnerable to attack, a new analysis by the Committee to Protect Journalists has found. CPJ research, compiled for the third anniversary of the conflict, shows that 67 journalists and 24 media support workers have been killed since the war began on March 20, 2003, making it the deadliest conflict for the press in recent history.

In the past 10 days alone, suspected insurgents have murdered three Iraqi journalists and one media worker: Muhsin Khudhair, editor of the news magazine Alef Ba; Amjad Hameed, head of programming for Iraq’s national television channel Al-Iraqiya, and his driver Anwar Turki; and Munsuf Abdallah al-Khaldi, a presenter for Baghdad TV.

The killings offer a chilling snapshot into recent trends. Iraqis constitute nearly 80 percent of journalists and support staffers killed for their work in Iraq, CPJ research shows. Overall, 60 percent of the journalists and support workers killed in Iraq were targeted for assassination. The third year of the war brought a significant shift in the danger, CPJ research shows, after two years in which crossfire had been a more frequent cause of media deaths.

Insurgent actions are behind most of the deaths since the war began. More than two-thirds of journalist and support worker deaths stemmed from murders, suicide bombings, and acts of war committed by insurgents, CPJ research shows.

http://www.cpj.org/news/2006/mideast/iraq17mar06na.html

[Garbo 2004]

59. 86 journos & assistants killed, 38 kidnapped: Reporters Without Borders.

"The war in Iraq has proved to be the deadliest for journalists since World War II. A total of 86 journalists and media assistants have been killed in Iraq since the war began on 20 March 2003. This is more than the number killed during 20 years of war in Vietnam or the civil war in Algeria."

More info here: http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=16793

[DemonFighterLives]

60. That tells you all you need to know about Smirk and Sneer

They are evil and will kill anyone attempting to report the truth.
:argh:

[izzybeans]

58. Wasn't this smokestack against the war anyway?

[JerseygirlCT]

61. You can't go near Nixon issues with Pat Buchanan

he totally loses it.

His view of his old boss and the good old days is thoroughly skewed.

Gergen set him straight but good.

[H2O Man]

62. Good point.

Buchanan has unresolved issues from his early White House days, and recognizes that Bush is in Nixon territory.

[genie_weenie]

63. Boy oh boy If there's one thing I trust, It's Pat Buchanan

You know those philosophy and english degrees of his really served him well when Pat was chewing dirt in the DMZ in '66. Oh... That's right... Patty didn't serve a goddamn day.

"You know, you never defeated us on the battlefield," Col. Summers said. "That may be so," Col. Tu replied, "but it's also irrelevant."

The line that the media defeated the US in Vietnam was pretty soundly thrashed by Jack Murtha on MTP last Sunday