I fucking hate republicans.

[porphyrian]

If you're still a republican, you're a fucking traitor. Go to hell.

[Virginia Dare]

1. Good morning to you too....

and I second that motion

:applause:

[Hissyspit]

2. Now, now...

Don't stoop to the fucking traitors' level. :7

[txindy]

9. Okay.

That one made me spit coffee all over my monitor. :rofl: And it was well worth it! :rofl: :rofl:

[NicRic]

3. Dont hate them however ....

I will say when I find out someone I know is republician it makes me look at them differantly ! With some of them ,the are in the other party because the where raised in a republician party family ,and still believe that its the party of smaller goverment ,and tax cuts ! I believe they need to take another look at this current White House and how it has done nothing right and everything wrong ,even if you are a republician ,its hard to understand them dfending this current pResidnet and his way of thinking ! Which is very limited ,a deep thinker he certainly is not ,unless you consider struggling to think of what your going to say ,being a deep thinker ?
I found out a co-worker of mine was republician and now I simply avoid any talk involving politics ,because we are so far apart in our beliefs ,it would be a waste of my time, she still thinks bush is a honest man ,end of story !
Take Care Nick

[CrispyQ]

21. It's an alien worldview.

There are still two repubs in my life & I've found my relationship with each of them has become cautious & superficial.

[natrat]

4. i fucking hate them too

my bro in law leans that way and i cant hate him

[meganmonkey]

5. Somehow I think that if you actually want to help create

positive change in our country, you may not want to say that to anyone's face.
:shrug:

[porphyrian]

7. Horseshit.

Anyone who still supports these fuckers is either too stupid to be of any positive use or selfish and criminal enough to share their goals. You go shake hands with the devil, I'm ready to kick his ass.

[meganmonkey]

22. You referred to all Republicans in your OP, not Bush supporters

I am just saying that I know lots of Republicans who don't support Bushco and that I don't think alienating a third of the US population is a good way to improve our situation.

Peace.

[porphyrian]

23. Party membership is support.

At this point, if they're still republican, they're guilty. Fuck them. I'm not an ambassador, I'm a patriot, and republicans are traitors.

[Iowa]

69. Yep, I look at it that way too...

No excuses. Anyone who is still a believer at this point is my enemy. It's not much different than if they were holding a gun to my head - and to the heads of my kids and grandkids - so this is fucking personal. If I know someone is a republican, I despise them. They're traitors. Fuck them - every single one of them.

[Binka]

139. Bush Is An Asshole & Republicans Are Carrying His Stink

Gandhi said it best:

You assist an evil system most effectively by obeying its orders and decrees. An evil system never deserves such allegiance. Allegiance to it means partaking of the evil. A good person will resist an evil system with his or her whole soul.

[baby_mouse]

28. If they do not support bush, they must cease their republican alignment.

Bush leads the Republican party. He guides its direction. For as long as they call themselves republican and say they do not support Bush, they are, at the *very least*, deluding themselves, more likely trying subtly to decieve other people. They must cease these delusions and deceptions. Support for the Republican party is support for bush. HE and his cabal make the decisions that the Republican party apparatus is in place to effect. If they are republican, they are responsible.

THEY must change. There cannot be compromise with *this* foe.

You can't make bargains with evil. Evil will cheat.

[we can do it]

67. ALL Fucking Republicans They Support the Shit * & Co. Have Done

What's the problem? If they are that stupid - fuckem all.

[ProfessorGAC]

26. What porphyrian Said!

I have your back!
The Professor

[Emit]

76. Not all Repubs do, though

Support this administration, that is.

I think your message is hyperbole.

[porphyrian]

81. Party membership equals support.

I think you're in denial.

[Emit]

83. I think you're being extreme. n/t

[baby_mouse]

86. The Republican party has a hierarchical structure

If they are republican, the support Bush.

[Emit]

88. The Republican I'm married to doesn't support Bush.

Edited to add, what, and I am supposed to divorce my SO, have a custody battle for my kids, alienate my in-laws, etc. just because of political party membership?

This is hyperbole, plain and simple. The same kind we attack them for doing, and it wins no points for those who feel their party has abandoned them. And while I understand the sentiment behind it, due to frustration and anger, I do not condone the message and likely wouldn't even if I were not married to a fine Republican.

Now, if my SO chooses to change parties, fine with me. :D

[baby_mouse]

104. Love conquers all?

I don't let MY SO get away with anything. But if we go further into this, it'll just be bickering. I've no right to tell you who to marry or how to treat their opinions.

*I* think your SO should realise that if he's Republican he's supporting Bush. If he votes Democrat next time, he ain't republican. Dig?

I'm not giving up on mine. He accuses me of "Playing Devil's Advocate". Some people, particularly people who've never had to suffer injustice much, take a little prodding.

[yasmina27]

108. Same situation here

My dh and all 5 of his brothers and sisters AND his 83 yo republican mother DESPISE *. I've said in previous posts that their father was actually a repuke campaign manager here in PA and at the national level. Fortunately, I never knew the SOB (he treated his family horribly) . However, on numerous occasions, he would take the kids to repuke headquarters, and several of my in-laws have specific memories of meeting GW* at the time he was supposedly in the NG. 'Course we have no proof, so can't do anything about it.

Actually, his mother - I love her dearly - has oficially declared herself an anarchist!

[porphyrian]

90. I think you're too emotionally involved to be logical about it. - n/t

[Emit]

91. I think my involvement with a Republican makes me think

more realistically about your message. We're talking a marriage here.

[porphyrian]

94. That word means so little in America...

...not to make any judgement about yours without knowing you. However, unless yours is one of little meaning, you're too emotionally involved, and thus biased, to be objective on the matter. Sorry.

[Emit]

97. I'm not sure I follow what you're trying to say.

But, about objectivity, do you really believe you, yourself, are coming from a point of objectivity with this thread topic?

[porphyrian]

99. I have a better question.

What do you hope to accomplish by pursuing this?

[Emit]

111. I'm responding to your thread and your subsequent comments

What are you trying to accomplish?

[porphyrian]

114. Nothing.

I simply voiced my opinion. What's funny is how some people want to argue with me about it, as if my opinion is open to debate. Thankfully, those people are just an irritating minority.

[Emit]

123. All opinion is open to debate n/t

[The Witch]

138. If you're not with us you're against us?

Just sayin... :shrug:

;-) But I feel your anger, knock yourself out, you're in friendly territory.

[Joe Fields]

150. hate the sin and not the sinner...unless of course it is

the republican leadership. Many Americans who voted republican just don't know what the hell is going on. You shouldn't dismiss them or condemn them so easily. In case you've forgotten, it is roughly half the voting population.

[specimenfred1984]

33. I Say It To Their Face All The Time

Here's what I tell them:

WMD conspiracy to commit war
Outing a CIA agent
Illegally spying on Americans
Torture and torture camps
Ordering EPA to lie to NYC post-9/11, poisening 1000s
Selling U.S. ports to known terrorists
Ignoring pre-9/11 warnings
Obstructing 9/11 investigation
Rigging elections
Killing civilians
Chemical weapons use
Illegal propaganda
Bribery and corruption

It's blatently obvious that supporting any of these things is treason.

[Lerkfish]

6. I think if you're a republican LEADER, you're a traitor, but if you're a

sheeple, I think you're gullible to the point of disappearing into your own navel.

[porphyrian]

8. If only their ability to vote would dissappear as well... - n/t

[leftofthedial]

30. the crimes and the treason and the lying have been exposed

for all to see.

Leader or follower, anyone who still supports the bush crime gang or their congressional accomplices is now unambiguously a traitor. Period.

[Lerkfish]

36. No, I think there's a difference between plotting treason and being blind

to it.

Both are bad, but I weigh in much more heavily on the leaders on this one.

[leftofthedial]

42. in a capital crime (and plenty enough people have been killed)

an accomplice shares guilt with the killers

[Lerkfish]

47. ok, 30% of 300 million is 100 million

you're going to charge 100 million people, who did no more than vote in an election, with murder?

:crazy:

[leftofthedial]

49. yep

that's what I do if I had the power.

[Lerkfish]

55. Luckily for you, Halliburton is already buidling those detention centers

for ya.

[rinsd]

105. Thank god DU's wannabe napoleans remain at their keyboards (nt)

[porphyrian]

51. Their numbers makes them no less responsible for their actions.

If a hundred people die in Africa every time you turn on your light switch and you don't know it, does that make you any less of a killer? Applying this same analogy to being republican at this time, you'd have to an idiot or a monster to keep flipping your light switch, and a hundred people would still be dying each time.

[Lerkfish]

53. okeydokey, then.

:shrug:

I think you guys have gone off the deep end with this, though.
We're going to have to disagree on this issue, then.

I want everyone in this administration wearing orangejumpsuits. I do not want half my neighborhood to be arrested because they voted stupidly.

that way lies madness.

[Iowa]

77. No, not arrested...

...cut off.

I'll boycott them if they're in business, shun them if they're a neighbor, insult them if they try to peddle their drivel, fire them if I'm their boss, charge them more if I'm their plumber, serve them last if I'm their waiter, make their lives difficult in any way that presents itself...

Fuck them. It's almost as if they're holding guns to our heads in the sense that they are destroying our freedom and our entire way of life - and that makes them my enemies. It's personal. Fuck them. Every last one of them.

[dweller]

124. K&R!

for posts 77 & 78.

:kick: and R! for OP too.
dp

[porphyrian]

78. Look around you.

Sanity was gone long ago.

[Tyler Durden]

43. Nope. Sort of like a Conspiracy Trial

They are indicted co-conspirators.

[Bake]

50. But what about WILLFUL, INTENTIONAL blindness?

Reckless disregard for the truth?

To me, that equals culpability.

Bake

[Tyler Durden]

37. NO! I strongly disagree.

I have listened to too many rePuke supporting idiots like the Fundies and their "...he's a CHRISTIAN so his heart's in the right place..."

Nope. No longer.

I agree with Porphyrian. FUCK THE REPUBLICANS UP THE ASS WITH A BIG RUBBER DILDO, BREAK IT OFF, AND BEAT THEM TO DEATH WITH THE REST OF IT.

FIGURATIVELY speaking, of course. I'll settle for disenfranchisement, imprisonment, and revocation of citizenship for treason. THAT will do.

[Lerkfish]

45. yeah, I'd call that "strongly". LOL

but seriously, are saying you wish to imprison or banish at least 30% of the population?
That's crazy talk. I don't like what they have supported, and I think Bush is the closest thing to an antichrist I'm going to see in my lifetime, but wholesale disenfranchisment of a very large chunk of the population sounds like something THEY want to do.

keep that in mind.

when you employ the same tactics as your enemy, you become them.

[Tyler Durden]

57. As a Socialist...

Enemies of the People are just that: ENEMIES.

My tolerance for 30% of the "citizens" ruining our treasury, our congress, our schools...

NO. NO MORE.

If you're a rePuke, and you VOTE rePuke, you're the enemy. PERIOD.

[renate]

154. I am shocked by the part of your statement that's in capital letters...

...and I am also totally laughing my ass off at it.

:dilemma:

[seabeyond]

10. fuck that shit. that just is not true and feeds the worst of who we are

this is exactly what i am saying to my repug brothers, father, inlaws, and friends. how dare the repug say i dont have morals or family values and that i am not a christian. that i am unamerican if i dont agree with bush.....

bu8llshit

ya..... they piss me off. my father, who after all has known me all my life, and i have known him for 44 of his. how stupid this all is

[porphyrian]

12. I'm so surprised that you disagree with me for a change.

:eyes:

Whatever.

[seabeyond]

13. you want me to hate my father? ya,.... i disagree. n/t

[porphyrian]

14. I don't want anything from you. - n/t

[seabeyond]

15. except to agree with you, lol lol. whatevah...... n/t

[porphyrian]

17. English isn't your first language, is it?

It appears to be hindering your mind-reading skills.

[specimenfred1984]

34. Repubs Support All These Things With Their Votes:

WMD conspiracy to commit war
Outing a CIA agent
Illegally spying on Americans
Torture and torture camps
Ordering EPA to lie to NYC post-9/11, poisening 1000s
Selling U.S. ports to known terrorists
Ignoring pre-9/11 warnings
Obstructing 9/11 investigation
Rigging elections
Killing civilians
Chemical weapons use
Illegal propaganda
Bribery and corruption

Ask your father why he votes for people who vote for all these crimes.

[seabeyond]

48. my brother is an alcholic and justifies all kinds of behavior

so it validates his continual drinking. i dont agree with it, like it, want it for him, nor do i validate the lies he tells himself. i still love him.

[The Straight Story]

136. Yeah, and dems have enabled them, but most here will still vote for em

I would guess.

If Hillary voted for everything bush proposed we would be pissed about it but still vote for her because of that D after her name.

Sure repugs suck, but dems that enable them suck as bad or worse imho.

[sinkingfeeling]

11. Now, now, I don't hate the republicans, I hate their 'sins'.

[riona]

16. and there is sometimes

a hard heartedness that's difficult to understand

[porphyrian]

18. I'm less interested in understanding them as seeing them out.

I've got no more understanding or patience for any of the pieces of shit.

[BlueJac]

19. Now that is reporting the good news!

Good for you, fuck them!

[SammyWinstonJack]

20. You and me both!

:applause:

[EstimatedProphet]

24. I'm not a Republican

So there!

The fact is, I have never once met a Republican that did not have at least a trace of racism and smug superiority. Not just the Bush masturbators-every single one I have ever met.

[Arugula Latte]

115. I can think of some vile, vile, vile people. All Republicans. All.

[HughBeaumont]

25. Eisenhower conservatives, I can tolerate.

What I CAN'T accept are Bushbots, me-first Replibertarians, Right-Wing Nutjobs, Religious Right Nutjobs, Pro-Outsourcers, Warhawks, Racists, Misogynists, Jingoists, Patriots who hate 93% of the people in the country, France-haters, Borrow-and-spenders, Sycophants, Liberal-haters, Randists, Media gluttons, heartless and soulless CEOs, people who cry COMMNISM! at anything less than corporations getting their way 70 googolplex-fold over the middle class, Security Moms, Nascar Dads, college Republicans, yellow ribbon "patriots" . . .. and that's it.

[LilyLibber]

29. I think you pretty much covered it, Hugh!

Awesome...:rofl:

[Zynx]

35. I hate each and everyone of those people.

They can kiss the harriest part of my ass.

[dweller]

127. don't forget the PNAC'ers!

there's still room in that paragraph for the pnac'ers.

dp

[Gregorian]

27. I can't believe I'm doing a Night of the Living GOP photoshop right now.

That's how much I dislike them. Talk about a waste of time. I have a backhoe that needs hydraulic fluid filled. And here I sit thinking about a field of edit UNdead GOP zombies. UNDEAD!

Until I finish Night of the Living GOP, Zombo'Reilly will have to substitute. Ha!

[zippy890]

93. That is fantastic!!! LOL

thats the real O'Reilly

:rofl:

[leftofthedial]

31. hate is not a strong enough word

[specimenfred1984]

32. Concise, To The Point, Rec'd!

Now go tell one in person and all the reasons why:

WMD conspiracy to commit war
Outing a CIA agent
Illegally spying on Americans
Torture and torture camps
Ordering EPA to lie to NYC post-9/11, poisening 1000s
Selling U.S. ports to known terrorists
Ignoring pre-9/11 warnings
Obstructing 9/11 investigation
Rigging elections
Killing civilians
Chemical weapons use
Illegal propaganda
Bribery and corruption

Feel free to add to the list.

[cascadiance]

40. I would tell the Republicans asking for respect...

That in the past, if we had "principled" discussions on our different philosophies, viewpoints, etc. to decide on an issue, and we both followed the rules and didn't try to "scam" the system or lie about our true motivations for campaigning for a certain issue in order to get more support from the masses, then that was a time I could respect them.

All of the issues above are about breaking the law, violating the constitution, and trying to scam the very system of Democracy and checks and balances it was set up with. THAT I can NEVER respect. They should be challenged if they support that or not. That's not about politics, that's about whether you want to cheat the system and go around Democratic principles, not just having a different viewpoint.

I in fact welcome differing viewpoints when deciding on an issue. That's what makes a Democracy strong. If all viewpoints are heard fairly and discussed and the merits are discussed civily before making a decision, that's when that system works.

Perhaps give them a sports analogy, which perhaps many can understand. Though politics isn't the same sort of "game" that sports is, and has costs and stakes that are a lot higher than competitive sports have, perhaps there is something that can still be shown here through analogy.

If one is a sports fan of a very popular and good team and one has a heated rival team and an upcoming game to play them in, you can say you "hate" them, because they are so good, and that's a "healthy" hate, because in many instances it still denotes "respecting" them mainly for them doing well while playing by the rules of the game and giving your team a run for their money. If however they do things like trying to injure your players, buy off refs, sabotage the playing field, take steroids or other similar drugs, use non-standard and illegal equipment to basically "cheat" their way to victory, THAT is when you lose respect for them. If they take power of the sports organization such that none of this behavior is penalized or discouraged, and in fact ways of doing it are codified into the game because THEY control the power over the league, officials, etc. then that's kind of like what we're looking at. If that happens, many of us would stop just "playing the game" to win, and would find other means through the courts, etc. to fix those problems that aren't fixable "just playing the game". Those people that remain fans of these sort of teams that continue to cheat, or control a system that rewards cheaters, must at some point realize the hollowness of their support for these cheaters and either quit supporting them altogether, or work to take back control to stop the cheating.

[ima_sinnic]

52. don't forget encouraging & rewarding illegal immigration

and sending our jobs to India and other places-- RWers scream the loudest about "illegals," yet they are too effing STUPID to see that illegals are precious to their Holy Little Lord Pissypants for brownie points with his corporate string-pullers and ass-kissers.

Seriously, you dumbass fweeper losers, just what is Busholini DOING about illegal immigration?? Will YOU lose YOUR job because of his pro-illegal immigration policy? just WHAT does he have to do before you see he's nothing but a FRAUD and a TRAITOR??

btw: I also hate republicans with every fiber of my being. Anybody who clings to the party of plunder, greed, bribery, holier-than-thouness, and religious zealots is my enemy. We know you have declared war on everything good, progressive, and enlightened and you can all Eat Shit.

[Beelzebud]

38. Agreed.

If you're a republican and you're reading this: Get out of my country, you don't deserve to live here!

[imax2268]

39. I was told

the other day by a repub that I am a disgrace to the uniform...I served my country and this person supports those who didn't...

So I would have to say...yea...FUCK'EM...

[Emit]

41. Hey, I'm married to a Repub!

Watch your mouth! ;)

[Tyler Durden]

59. You have my sympathies....

I truly don't know how you do it. The moment MY significant other declared for BUSH, I'd be on the phone to the Lawyer.

You and Carville must be SAINTS or something. 35 years of working against rePukes...if she went rePuke on me, I'd just go nuts.

[Emit]

62. We wore the 'Republicans for Kerry!' bumper sticker proudly in our family

Not all Republicans are to be hated.

;)

[Tyler Durden]

65. Like I said...You're a SAINT.

I couldn't do it. 35 years as a Socialist, watching rePukes EAT this country like a cracker demolishing a roast chicken with both hands has hardened my heart.

I've supported ONLY Democrats because my party's candidates had no hope since Eugene V. Debs. Makes a man hard hearted.

[Emit]

66. Yes, I know where you are coming from, definitely.

Just because my SO never, ever supported Bush & Co. doesn't mean we don't have our differing opinions on politics. In the 15+ years we've been married, however, it's really only been in the last 3 years or so that those differences have crescendoed. I'm working on it, I'm working on it!

[Joey Liberal]

44. Fuck the republicans. I hate them too! n.t

[FiveGoodMen]

46. Amen, Amen, Amen!

No excuses left whatsoever.

[screembloodymurder]

54. Agreed. Now let's them to their fucking faces.

Traitors.

[in_cog_ni_to]

56. Meeee Tooooo!

:grr:

They're a waste of oxygen!

[Initech]

58. I whole-heartedly agree with this statement!

:yourock:

[MissMarple]

60. Just a bit crabby today, are we?

I do understand the sentiment, but today, I'm not quite that far over the edge. But anyone who still blindly supports this man as president is a traitor to this country and supports the continued shredding of the Constitution. The Constitution is what makes this country.

[porphyrian]

61. Today?

I'm just warming up.

;)

[MissMarple]

70. I'll go get some popcorn...and maybe a little scotch a bit later.

:popcorn: :toast:

[Emit]

64. A nice reminder that not all Republicans support Boosh. n/t

[The Stranger]

63. Amen.

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[tavery]

68. Do you think this "hate" hurts them more than it hurts you?

[porphyrian]

71. I've got it no matter where I point it.

Frankly, I'd say they've earned it.

[tavery]

72. I think that is a shame, I wonder sometimes, if when our adversaries get

us to that point, who has won.

[porphyrian]

74. You obviously believe hate to be a bad thing.

I don't believe emotion has a morality - that is an invention of mankind. Emotion is simply a temporal glandular chemical wash through our system. Medication and therapy can cure any emotion that is out of our control. Right now, I'm completely in control of my anger. I'm sorry you don't like it. I don't like country music.

[tavery]

80. I have just found"hate" to be counter productive, debilitating, seems to

hurt me more than those I hated, but to each their own

[porphyrian]

84. That seems to be the most common take on it.

I guess I've had more experience with anger and feeling out-of-control than some, making me more comfortable with it. Like a pistol, hate is only dangerous when uncontrolled or aimed at you. It's a tool, nothing more.

[DrunkenMaster]

95. Use that Hate

Hatred is just as viable an emotion as love or fear or gratitude. It depends on how you use it. Don't let anyone try to talk you out of your hatred -- it is earned and deserved.

[rinsd]

101. So sayeth Darth Sidious....sorry couldn't resist (nt)

[Iowa]

No. Anger can be a useful motivator in a fight...

and I fight a hell of a lot better when I'm angry.

There should be consequences for supporting evil - so I'll boycott them if they're in business, shun them if they're a neighbor, insult them if they try to peddle their drivel, fire them if I'm their boss, charge them more if I'm their plumber, serve them last if I'm their waiter, make their lives difficult in any way that presents itself...

It's almost as if they're holding guns to our heads in the sense that they are destroying our freedom and our entire way of life - and that makes them enemies. It's personal. Fuck them. Every last one of them.

[baby_mouse]

87. Yes. NT

[baby_mouse]

106. Do you understand that all this has to STOP?

How much longer will you let these people hum and haw and say: "Well, I don't really support slaughtering innocent people, but mmmmm.... he's a Christian..."

It's got to STOP. It won't be stopped by being mawkish and sentimental. They don't give *shit* what you think of them.

[Emit]

112. Not all Republicans say this. n/t

[baby_mouse]

144. Yesyesyes, OK.

Really my point is that their actions have an effect whether we take them to be conscious of them or not. I mean, the way they're being talked about here is as if they're big lovable babies who go around shooting everything by accident, these are grown-ups we're talking about here!

Although I suspect you and I are talking about slightly different kinds :D

I just can't square it off in my head - if they don't support Bush - how can they be republican? Republicanism's a *political movement*, not an *idea*!

Fiscal responsibility, small government and so on, the Republican Party has abandoned these principles. I suspect that the people you're talking about are people we wouldn't really call republicans any more - they've been left behind.

I shall try a metaphor that might fit both our positions.

It's like joining an orchestra playing Stravinski and conducted by a talentless dweeb because you love "The Rite of Spring". The conductor changes the tune halfway through the rehearsals and decides you're going to play Handel's "Messiah" instead, which you hate. You then carry on going to the "Stravinskian" orchestra, describing yourself as fundamentally a "Stravinskian" and complain about the situation, saying you don't support the conductor!!! It doesn't mean anything!!! You still have to do what the conductor says!!!

:banghead:

[Emit]

153. I think

In the case of my Republican SO:

Republicanism is an idea, not just a political movement.

Look, I have had numerous discussions about this very issue with my SO. My SO has had some serious discussions with others about this. And, it has caused a lot of uncomfortable feelings between us and has required a lot of introspection and communication on both our parts. I know exactly where you all are coming from.

But, I also know the flip side of why some Republicans will not abandon their party. It's the question of "Do I stay and fight these nuts who've taken over my party, or do I switch parties and fight them from a distance?"

You are assuming that their ideology would be welcomed in the Democratic Party or in an Independent Party. I do too, 'cause I'm a Dem and part of me doesn't understand what the big deal is about joining my party, and I also feel that there is a desperate need for change. But just because we feel this way doesn't mean they do. They think differently and their party loyalty remains to their ideals about Republicanism, not necessarily to Bush & Co. If the reverse were true, would you switch parties? I'm not sure I would, and if I did, it would probably take some time and weighing of the pros and cons. I could never imagine myself as a Republican, for example. And if my spouse changes, it will likely be to a Green or Independent, not Democrat.

You are also assuming that people have come to the level of awareness that many here at DU are fortunate to come to. Many haven't. Many Dems haven't. Many Repubs haven't. Many people who are not registered to vote haven't. It's not just the Republicans. These folks haven't reached a level of awareness that, IMO, is really crucial to saving our asses right now. My frustration lies with them. That's why I'm volunteering for every register to vote and other Dem Party volunteer positions that I can handle right now to spread the word and try to convince people of the direness of the situation at hand; that our democracy hangs by a fraying string. But you can bet I won't be wearing a sign that says "I hate all Republicans 'cause they're traitors!" That's not gonna win any points. Heck, we can't even get that awareness from our own fucking complicit Democratic Representatives in Congress, how can we expect that from people who've called themselves Republicans for 20 years or more?

Anyway, my problem is with the OP's hyperbole: "You are either with us or you are against us" message. Now, where, pray tell, have we heard that ultimatum before?!

Just the simple clarification of "I hate Republicans who still support Bush" would likely not have warranted a response from me -- I usually stay away from these rants anyway. But, the more I read the thread and realized how many DUers were joining the bandwagon, the more I felt compelled to speak up. It's just not a message I would condone even if I weren't married to a Repub. It's silly. And, frankly, it is the one thread that I have come across since I have been a member of DU that has really, sincerely disappointed me -- enough even to briefly reconsider whether DU is still my choice for sound liberal ideas when I see so many people buying into this extreme, hateful message with out clarifying their responses.


I appreciate your effort in trying to explain where you're coming from, and I am sorry that it is frustrating that you feel I can not understand, because I do, really, understand the desperation we all feel to take back our democratic Republic. I do. But, this is not the way to do it. The Bushbot hate radio is way ahead of us on this message -- "Hate all liberals, hate the pinko commies, hate all Dems, etc." We were invited a long time ago to that game. We don't need to be a part of their game. We need to find our own game plan, and I hope that it will not include such a bigoted and hateful message.

[Maven]

73. I hate them SOOOO much...it...the....FLAMES!

FLAMES, on the side of my face, heaving...breathless...heaving breaths...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRYvoYcyOeU

:evilgrin:

[porphyrian]

75. It's Hedley...

I miss Madeline Khan(sp?).

[Maven]

79. Kahn, I think

I miss her too. Hope I cheered you up a little. :hi:

[porphyrian]

82. Heh, you did.

That, and seeing how many people are itching for some payback.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

85. Oh the Melodrama.

One shouldn't be so quick to throw out such seriously degrading labels such as 'traitor' in such a blanketed broad manner.

Sentiments like these are ridiculous on their face. There are many republicans that right now still haven't been reached enough to be fully aware of how bad the truth really is. That doesn't make them fucking traitors, it makes them unaware, nothing more. We need to keep spreading the message to the people and help make sure as many are aware of the truth, as well as why being a dem is the better way to go, before the elections in november.

but traitors? weeeee bit over the top there. Ain't gonna win any votes that way (not to mention it's every bid as broad and ignorant as when hannity says it about dems etc....)

[porphyrian]

92. Nice opinion you've got there.

Allow me to offer some definitions:

Treason - 1. Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.
2. A betrayal of trust or confidence.


Traitor - One who betrays one's country, a cause, or a trust, especially one who commits treason.

The trees in front of you are the forest. Denying it doesn't make it any less true.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

96. So Your Own Definition Proves You Wrong

Unless you can prove to me that EVERY DAMN REPUBLICAN is "consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies", then you are done.

The notion is ridiculous. Some republicans are traitors. But calling them traitors wholesale just because they are still republican? Well, that's just pathetic.

[porphyrian]

98. Not at all, but thanks for playing.

I've already explained my position ad nauseum elsewhere in this thread. Your denial seems ridiculous and pathetic to me, but I'm not interested in your support or your approval. Thanks for being insulting with your unsolicited opinion, though.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

109. So You Can't Back It Up Then I Guess.

again, unless you can prove to me that EVERY DAMN REPUBLICAN is "consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies", then you are done.

As far as your other posts in this thread, I've found most to be in a similar tone of arrogance and attack without substance. I have found very little from you throughout this thread that justifies the ignorant broad brush illegitimate and misguided attack on ALL republicans. You can dismiss my opinion all you want, as I dismiss yours, but it doesn't change the fact that you have not yet backed up your ludicrous statement expressed in the OP whatsoever.

To repeat, unless you can prove to me that EVERY DAMN REPUBLICAN is "consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies", then you are done.

[porphyrian]

110. I did back it up. Your choosing to ignore that isn't my problem.

Now I'm wondering what you think you're accomplishing besides an exercise in redundancy.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

116. So Far In This Thread The Only Thing I've Seen You Back Up Is The

premise that you have no sound, logical or worthy arguments that lend credence to the melodramatic overly extremist and false-on-its-face statement that all republicans are traitors, and instead forged that opinion on sheer hatred and irrational emotion rather than logic, reasoning, deduction and fact.

You can have your emotionally extremist rant. But the premise is overwhelmingly inaccurate and silly.

bye now.

[Lerkfish]

146. Hiya, OMC! good luck, I tried to tell them that earlier.

this is how huge the divide is in this country, unfortunately. It will only get worse.
When dems proudly become as jingoistic and judgemental as republicans, its a sad day.

[porphyrian]

160. Horseshit.

It's a sad day when we refuse to call a bad apple a bad apple for fear of making a generalization, true or not. The actions of the republican party are unacceptable. Support for an unacceptable party is unacceptable. Membership is support. Any who choose to stand with traitors are traitors themselves.

[porphyrian]

159. I wasn't asking for your permission.

Go apologize for those responsible if it satisfies your aversion to broad brushes, but intent doesn't excuse support and membership is support. If you have any further patronizing statements to offer, feel free to waste the time adding them.

[cynatnite]

126. being a republican does NOT make one a traitor

Hard to believe this drivel even gets attention. :eyes:

[Emit]

129. I was saddened to see such good DUers buying into this thread. n/t

[Justice Is Comin]

89. It's a good thing I can't tell

the Republicans in my daily life. I'd probably take a swing at the sonofabitches.

You got that observation exactly right. They're assing fuckholes.

Give them a M-16 with a bayonet. Stick the bayonet through their bible and send them to fucking Falleujah.

[mitchum]

100. Nothing wrong with that

I also hate them

[rinsd]

102. I hate people who hate people

I especially hate people who hate people because of political affiliation.

And yes I realize that end of the day that makes me a self hater...its a vicious cycle!

[KyuzoGator]

103. When Howard Dean said he hated Republicans and what they stand for....

...I had no idea why he apologized for it later.

[porphyrian]

107. He's a politician.

Better than most, but still a politician.

[Arugula Latte]

113. I fucking hate them too. They have ruined whatever was good about

this country. Their sins are unforgivable. It's time for more people to admit these assholes need to be punished. No more nicey-nicey. They've been playing dirty and mean for decades now. They need to have their asses handed to them on a platter.

[Swamp Rat]

117. KAPOW!!!

:D

[DemGirl7]

118. I agree completely with your statement...

I especially hate Republicans with a capital R, the elites, the scumbags that are ruining our country. I don't really hate republicans with a lower case r, I pity them, because they are blind sheep, and haven't waken up yet from their own ignorance that seems to blind them, and who knows if they will ever wake up.

[mdmc]

119. God Bless Republicans

:patriot:

[killbotfactory]

120. Forgive them. They know not what they do...

Oh wait, yes... yes they do.

Fuck 'em.

[wiley]

121. God doesn't Hate Republicans

He just hates the CORRUPT and SELFISH Acts of Republicans. Nothing prevents them from going to conversion specialists or going to a house of worship and actually learning what it means to serve God. What is the Republican Agenda if not to deprive people of hope and the expectation that they will receive support and cooperation from their fellow countrymen?

[sweetheart]

122. oh come on, we should kiss their asses

You know how bush always fails,
lick houston's ass and i'll do whatever you wish,
why so many of his family bails,
on any serious challenge, a matriarchal true grist
run away little man, to your bicycle hole,
caged in the monkey handl'eer's travelling cirus,
but no mind to the wasted leader on parole,
republicans these days smell an aweful lot like piss.

The stench really reeks in there,
a cow pie in the corner, grotty filthy worth a miss,
Orwell's animal farm come alive seated in chairs,
slopping in corruption, bush-pig justice, avarice.
Republican liars doomed us all to fluff,
now they've not got electable stuff.

[cynatnite]

125. I'm sure the two repubs I know who voted for Kerry....

will appreciate your sentiment :eyes:

[Emit]

128. Well, the OP's opinion is not open to debate

As noted upthread. So I doubt he'll give a shit. But, I, on the otherhand, appreciate your sentiment.

[Der Blaue Engel]

130. At this point, I have to say it seems rather like belonging to the Nazi

party. I am completely baffled by people who can overlook the continued allegiance of their loved ones to a party that stands for the end of American democracy and the dismantling of the Constitution.

No self-respecting person would argue with you if you said "If you're still a Nazi, you're a fucking traitor." But they continue to believe there are redeemable Republicans. Not anymore. Not anymore. At the very least, continued Republican allegiance is a sign of being brainwashed and in an incredible state of denial. If you have loved ones who are Republican, I'd recommend an intervention.

I have family who are Republican. I have disowned them. I don't miss their poison.

[Emit]

131. My Repub SO

I doing black ops work for the Dem Party ;-)

[Binka]

137. Bush Is An Asshole & Republicans Are Carrying His Stink

I have disowned 90% of my family over this issue and like you I do not miss their shit one bit. I don't care if they didn't support Booosh. Why are they fucking Pukes then? Every fucking puke I have ever met is SELFISH. It is always about MONEY. ALWAYS! In one of many forms, whether it is taxes, or welfare, or ANYTHING concerning their precious money they are selfish. Gandhi said it best:

You assist an evil system most effectively by obeying its orders and decrees. An evil system never deserves such allegiance. Allegiance to it means partaking of the evil. A good person will resist an evil system with his or her whole soul.

BTW just in case some might be thinking I'd feel differently if I had lots of money, guess what? I FUCKING HAVE A SHIT LOAD OF MONEY. I've been poor & I've been rich BUT I have ALWAYS been a LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE.

Hey Der good to see ya!:hi:

[HughBeaumont]

142. Money and control over the powerless -

i.e. Women, African-Americans, minorities, the entire middle and working classes, the poor, children, atheists, foreign peoples, etc. This is a government for the corporations BY the corporations.

[Binka]

143. That Is The Really Heinous Part Greedy & They Prey On The Weakest

How dare they? Fuckers. I loathe every last one of them. Bring on the REVOLUTION!

[Der Blaue Engel]

149. Amen to that, Binka

:hi:

(Ouch; that Gandhi quote really hits home.)

I've always thought it would be even more logical to be a liberal if you have shitloads of money...unless, of course, you must come by and retain that money through harm to others: therein lies the key.

I'm learning Russian cultural history right now, and seeing how their original feudal system landed them in a quagmire they don't ever seem to be able to overcome, with such an obvious divide between the haves and the have-nots, it makes me even more frightened of the direction this country is going. Once the wealth of the few depends solely on the poverty and suffering of the masses, there seems to be no turning back but revolution...and even then, there is probably little chance of a successful future. :(

[Peter Frank]

132. Shut Up and Support Who You Believe In...

Hate speech is political masturbation.

[Usrename]

133. Yeah, right, but it isn't a partisan issue anymore.

It hasn't been for at least a couple years. The nation will split over the issue of Empire, or are you too angry to see that?

Well, let me really piss you off.

Joe Lieberman.

Heads on pikes!!!

[NMMNG]

134. I like that. Succinct, honest, full of truthiness.

Two thumbs up! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[MrScorpio]

135. Google "I hate republicans"+MrScorpio

and tell me what you get

[Strong Atheist]

140. ... and traitors are supposed to be shot, so are you advocating

that all republicans should be shot? Just askin'...

[porphyrian]

163. Not a call for violence, a call for accoutability.

If you support the enemy, you are the enemy.

[bridgit]

141. oh, i don't know, "hate" is so...energetic; i'd just as soon push them...

off the end of a short pier into a pensive ocean roiling with chum strewn waters :patriot:

[Brewman_Jax]

145. Agreed!

my freeper dad voted for Bush* 'cause Kerry and the dummycrats are gonna take his guns. Now, he's whining about his health care. I said, "that's what you voted for; use your damn bullets to pay for the increases." He's an SOB anyway, that he's a repub makes it easier.

[Hubert Flottz]

147. I know whut ya mean!

The Devil made me do it! The one at 1600 Pa Ave Washington DC.

[Laelth]

148. I have to wonder ...

I wonder how a thread titled "I fucking hate democrats" would be received over in Freepreville. Would there be some sane, sensible Freeps who would defend Democrats? Would they want to "reach out" to us or protect us from scorn in hopes of uniting America?

No answers here. Just wondering. :shrug:

-Laelth

[bridgit]

151. you do have a point, and i've been up & down this list and duly note...

that nary a du mod has chimed in with their two cents as to what 'perception' may or may not be for yet a whole other group of people :shrug:

just, i suppose, let the 'open calls' for hatred roll forward x(

[FiveGoodMen]

152. When you meet the devil, hatred is the right reaction.

[Lerkfish]

155. ahh...Luke..that's right, use your hatred, it'll make you stronger in the

darkside of the force.

[misternormal]

158. The dark is a happy place... the dark is a happy place... the...

[Retired AF Dem]

156. Yes that is a very liberal and progressive thing to say

I guess you are just full of hate and that is such a waste of time.

[porphyrian]

161. Actually, it is.

Freedom of speech, no matter how unpopular to some, is one of the most important liberties to protect if any progress is to be made. Apparently, I'm not the only one who feels this way. I guess we're all just wasting time.

[misternormal]

157. Three things there is no use for...

... fleas...
... mosquitos...
... and fucking republicans...

[mnhtnbb]

162. LOL!