So "They" are posting the victims information all over

[bloom]

It figures.

:grr:

[Sydnie]

1. what "victims" are we talking about?

???? I don't get it.

[bloom]

2. The victim in the Duke rape case. nt

[madeline_con]

3. Alleged victim.

Who's "they"?

[Sydnie]

4. ahhhh I hadn't heard that

but, nothing they do surprises me any more. :(

[treestar]

5. What's the big secret? It's a public trial. And the accuser has

nothing to be ashamed of. Nothing whatsoever. Why hide your identity, because you were the victim of the crime? How does it reflect negatively on you? Come out and identify yourself and explain what happened? What's the crap about keeping it a secret?

You can't accuse people anonymously and why would you want to, if right was on your side?

[niyad]

6. welcome to DU--do you have any idea what rape victims go through ?

the villification, the innuendo, the examining of every detail of their lives?

when kobe bryant was accused of rape, some of his more determined "fans" actually threatened to kill the young woman.

rape is the only crime in which the victim is put on trial.

[Jacobin]

41. Do you have any idea what people wrongfully accused of rape go thru?

Bankrupting legal bills, people assuming you are guilty based soley on the word of another person, people assuming you are guilty for the rest of your life even if you are found innocent at trial, and of course the real possibility of long jail sentence, even if you are innocent, based solely on the word of another person.

But heck....that ain't nothin', right?

[alarimer]

44. Nothing compared to the victims

The victims of rape have it far, far worse than the accused, even if they are innocent.

[JanMichael]

9. Ack! It's called a public smearing by the "defence" the "defence" of

rich little fuckwit fuckhead Dukies that I swear the next time I meet one I'll put his fucking TEETH out.

[xultar]

10. THEY DON'T DO IT TO WHITE GIRLS!!

[niyad]

30. tell that to katelyn faber, the young woman who accused kobe bryant

of rape. it was a completely horrendous media circus for months.

[xultar]

39. True but she's just one... Tawana Brawley made it ok for people

to behave the way they do to black women who bring rape charges.

BTW I don't even know who Faber was until this post.

[Ecumenist]

42. Niyad...

The among the conditions that I set forth were MONEY, POWER AND PRESTIGE. That special Caveat of colour determining how women like me are treated is a reality, whether you understand it or not. As it applies to Katelyn Faber, She had the misfortune to have encountered an ultra rich, famous athlete. If anything, it confirms what I was saying. Go back and read my posts on this subject.

[sproutster]

34. Also tell it to the girl in the Heidel case - Hell the Def Att even

made sure the collage she changed to knew it, by yelling it on the collage grounds.

[xultar]

36. I don't even know who you are talking about. I do know that they

seem to go out of the way for White women and well for Black women...they always bring up Tawana Brawley.

[Ecumenist]

43. I'm afraid I'm not familiar with the Heidel case

Whatever the case was with the victim in this case, Reread my posts and you'll find my position takes into consideration the extenuating circumstances that poor girl may have had to endure.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

15. Your post is just so wrong on so many levels.

[Ecumenist]

29. Perhaps, Xultar was a bit strong in her opinion...

but I know FROM EXPERIENCE that there is an assumption that if you're a black woman raped by a man who is A), a man who happens to be white or damn near, and/or B) the same man who has money, prestige and /or power, it's a different world.

Sadly, there is still this thing that says the somehow black people have an enhanced sexual appetite, physical desire or stigma that makes you automatically more suspect when you report an assault.

I know firsthand. I had a friend in college who was attacked by the same man I was but sh was white. We were both studious, etc. As a matter of fact, our backgrounds were remarkably alike and in fact, she would sometimes go partying where I didn't.
Guess how were were treated when we reported assaults by the same person, 1 year apart?

Although I was attacked on my way home from a late class, I was the recipient of questions that were outright accusatory. The implications were horrible.

Her attack took place at a frat party after a night of drinking. NEVER A REASON FOR RAPE NO MATTER WHAT. But the treatment was light years better. This creep had been accused of sexual crimes more than once and in fact, my attack was a year AFTER, I was made to feel that I was at fault.

So sadly, too often, it is a different world. Trust me..

[xultar]

38. I don't think they replied in the right place for my post though

I would still say this...

You are right. But that is how I feel. After Tawana Brawley it seems that no Black woman could even get a fair hearing.

[Ecumenist]

40. Preach it, Xultar...

I agree with you as I've gone through it. There's nothing like first hand experience to convince oneself.

[xultar]

37. wrong place

[MissB]

16. Gee, I think part of why newspapers don't publish

the names of rape victims is for their own personal safety.

She is not accusing people "anonymously" - the law enforcement people know her name. The general public has no need for that knowledge.

[Ecumenist]

17. Treestar...

I want to ask you something? Honestly speaking, have you ever been sexually abused, molested or raped? If you have, you'd understand that it's not a matter of trying to hide. Look at what happens to victims who come forward and are identified. Do you realise how many of these victims receive death threats, harassment etc, especially if there is a imbalance of economic power, such as the situation with the duke lacrosse scandal. I have been raped and I can tell you that unfortunately, there are still MANY people who assume that somehow you did something to deserve it. this even happens with children who are molested because, yes, sadly there are still some sick slobs who actually question if the child somehow deserved it or is lying.

I can speak about this with a measure of expertise as I was raped by a grown man everyday for a year as a 6 year old child and raped @21 years old by someone else. I am a woman of a mixed african descent and I was raped by a man who not only was VERY wealthy and powerful BUT he was a different colour than me. It ain't as easy as you want to make it seem to just come forward and place your face in the public arena. Additionally, who in their right mind would undergo a rape kit examination just for chuckles and grins? It is one of the most humiliating things that anyone would could ever imagine undergoing.

So, I would caution you to think before you spout off about how people are hiding or somehow making themselves anonymous while reporting a crime. It ain't a cakewalk and part of the reason is because there, unfortunately, have been people who've lied about sexual assault. I wonder how you feel if this happened to a child, friend or relative of yours? Think about that for just a second.

[northzax]

18. in an ideal world

the identities of all victims would be public. But we don't live in an ideal world. Frankly, I think the identities of those accused of crimes in which the victim is kept private should also be kept private, until the resolution of the case. If you are convicted, then you're fair game, but what if you are acquitted? it doesn't really matter, your life is forever tied to being a rapist in the public mind. These two men may, or may not, be convicted and go to jail, but their names will be linked to rape forever.

Let's say, just for arguement's sake, that they are innocent and acquitted. When they apply for a job, their names will come up as being accused of rape. When they meet a woman, and she googles them, she sees the word rape. forever. If, in fact, they are not guilty of the crime (and I have no idea) they are inextricibly tied to it. And that is not acceptable, either. people are accused of crimes, and arrested, tried and acquitted fairly frequently, it's why we have trials in the first place.

If we protect the names of the victims, as we should, we should also protect the names of the accused, until they are convicted of the crime. And no, I don't think that women accuse men of rape maliciously (it's probably happened in the single digits over the last decade, hardly worth thinking about, you have much better odds of being struck by lightning than of being maliciously accused of rape) in a world where information is free and permanent, it's dangerous both ways. I've hired people, right out of college, and one of the first things I do is simply google them.

[Ecumenist]

22. I agree with you...

The only exception would be if the perpetrator is either caught in the act or the person has a proven history and has freely confessed. I say that in the event that there are other victims. I do believe that people are often unfairly painted sexual predator when they've done nothing to deserve the permanent stigma.

[northzax]

26. If the person freely confesses,

they are likely to plead guilty, and therefore the exemption holds true.

[Ecumenist]

27. Exactly.

There are those who, somehow, realise that they are sick and a danger to society at large.

[bunkerbuster1]

35. Agreed that accused AND accusers should be anonymous

if it's at all possible.

American kangaroo court cases get more embarassing to me with every passing day. I'd seriously consider amending the constitution to ensure some degree of sanity in these proceedings. Until then, though, the press has the right to cover these stories, and they will exploit them for ratings and circulation.

[Jigarotta]

19. go piss up a rope.

you should know the program in rape cases.
she's already guilty of having a c**t.

and had a professionn not lady like.

go piss it twice.

==
on edit, maybe I misunderstood you. if I did, my apolgises. But the climate is bad here on this one and I reacted face value.

[AlCzervik]

24. ring and run

[Bluebear]

31. How very enlightened.

Tres sensitive.

[Left Is Write]

32. ...

You can't accuse people anonymously and why would you want to, if right was on your side?

I don't even know how to answer that civilly.

[tatertop]

7. What else could they do? They just cannot help themselves.

I share your disgust.

[bloom]

8. More crap @ FreeRepublic:

"Re the "rape" charges. In my humble opinion, a whore should not be able to bring charges of rape, just theft of services."

--
"I wasn't really being facetious. I know that legally it is possible for a whore to cry "rape." But since she sells it to strange men for a living anyway, it should be some lesser category of crime. The whole idea of a woman being "violated" just doesn't apply with a whore."

--

"I have a theory. The press wont publish the name of an alleged victim of rape as this would cause the "victim" embarassment; bull crap.

My theory is that if the press printed the names of these accusers the cases of rape in courts would drop by 75% as it would no longer pay to be a fashionable and anonymous victim of rape. "


:puke:

[JanMichael]

11. Looks sadly familiar.

Sadly familiar.

[MissB]

14. It does, doesn't it.

But not all Democrats are progressive, as much as we'd like them to be. It is a constant battle of educating those who are misguided.

But at least Democrats can be educated. The freepers are lost forever, damned to their own hell.

[mirandapriestly]

12. Those people are filthy animals

well, no, I love animals, they're monsters. Isn't it weird how they stand up for everything evil?

[kanrok]

13. Why is it that the asshats at Free Republic are so pro-law enforcement

except when it comes to rape? hitting a little too close to home for them?

[laheina]

21. I guess when someone is "pro" law enforcement and

anti woman, something has to give. But even more disturbing are the racial and classist undertones.

[helderheid]

25. oh god. THEFT OF SERVICES???

Speechless - fucking LIVID.

[NashVegas]

28. Yabbut You Know What?

I'd almost bet that carries a harsher sentence.

[undergroundpanther]

20. Post the perps info than

Put it online.Just to be FAIR.

Let some feminists
beat the little peices of rapist shit senseless.
Males who rape deserve to be disarmed,Cut it off.

[Igel]

23. Enjoy.

http://www.freewebs.com/justice4her/

I saw it cross posted here 3-4 days ago.

[NaturalHigh]

33. What are you talking about?

I haven't seen any personal information posted anywhere.