Dennis Kucinich - It's time to stand up and speak out

[rjones2818]

Run time: 02:37 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fc_CQWoZks   Posted on YouTube: May 13, 2008 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: May 14, 2008 By DU Member: rjones2818 Views on DU: 3124

 
Dennis! Right the first time, again!

Go Dennis! :woohoo:
http://kucinich.us
http://integritynow.org
For those of us on the Left, Dennis is OUR Congressman!

[caseycoon]

1. K&R HOORAY for Dennis!

I know he's OUR Congressman, but I sure wish he was OUR President!
:D

[Ken Burch]

21. Agreed. But people obsessed on trivialities like personal appearance.

n/t.

[WheelWalker]

60. We abhor the normal

here in Oregon... Check out who we're gonn'a elect while dumping our Bush-lite senator, Gordon Smith !

http://wonkette.com/390012/oregon-senate-candidate-actually-jesus

[nongrata]

2. The sad thing is

that george bush will want to attack Iran before he leaves office. He is very stupid. It is amazing that a -- what shall we call him? We can't properly call him a man...that a person like george bush could become potus. We can only groan.

[Kaleko]

24. Psychopath or sociopath works as a descriptor.

[midnight]

3. Very difficult to listen to, because he is right. It is as if we were

lulled by the media that it is not happening. No coffins of the dead are allowed to be shown. Only individual funerals. PBS shows a handful of the dead when they were alive. The spending just goes on. Even though the abuse of lies goes on. It's time we were listened to and this war ended.

[Dhalgren]

6. What can we do when the Democrats won't listen to us either?

If we threaten to "vote them out" we are told that that would only help the Republicans. Our Democratic "leadership" look down their noses at us unwashed masses and tell us we don't know what we are talking about. They tell us we aren't capable of grasping the "big picture" and we should leave that to our betters. Even the current crop of Democratic candidates (from top to bottom) tell us this same thing. We are caught between two parties, both of which are running games on us. But we cannot break the cycle, because we would then be "helping the Republicans"...

:grr: :banghead:

[NikolaC]

30. That's Why Grassroots Efforts

and supporting and voting for liberal, grassroots, Democrats is so important.

[Dhalgren]

44. That's why Grassroots Efforts

and supporting and voting for "liberal", "grassroots, "Democrats" will never work. You simply cannot vote out the "leadership" of the Party. And "grassroots" in many parts of this country means conservative, anti-choice, right-wing Democrats. That is what is wrong with this Party - entrenched money/power "leadership" and a far, far too conservative elected representation. I am afraid that the Party is a big part of the problem...

[FREEWILL56]

37. That we are helping the republicans??????????

Who keeps voting for war funding? Who keeps saying impeachment was to be off of the table? Who made sure that voting reforms along with checks and balances in government aren't put back into place? Who still allows torture to continue? Who still allows the erosion of our rights. Who made sure the nominee choices were not the most popular or preferred candidates? Why it's the heads of the democratic party that allows this. So I believe the repukes are being helped enough anyway right now. I said it before and I'll say it again, "The repukes went nuts (as in wingnuts) and the dems went to the right." If my party no longer wishes to represent me and what our founding fathers intended for our country, then I may switch to independent. I give them until the 2012 presidential election to fix the party before I will change.

[Name removed]

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[Dhalgren]

4. Kucinich is the man. He is too honest to be President -

what does that say about those who become President...

If there is one, single, glaring indication of the end of this republic, it is that a man like Dennis Kucinich is belittled, ridiculed, and laughed at - even by those calling themselves "progressives" and "Democrats". I support Kucinich...

[MuseRider]

7. Perfectly stated. n/t

[beezlebum]

50. right on...

If there is one, single, glaring indication of the end of this republic, it is that a man like Dennis Kucinich is belittled, ridiculed, and laughed at - even by those calling themselves "progressives" and "Democrats". I support Kucinich...

word.

[DUlover2909]

5. He's right. Stop funding this suicidal occupation.

[CaptJasHook]

8. He's wrong

I love Dennis, I love what he has to say. I know he works his ass off. But the people are not asleep, we already spoke in 2006. It is our leadership and the Congress that are asleep. They are the ones who cannot get their act together.

I believe right now, that what the people are thinking is "What the Fuck is it going to take to make Pelosi and Reid wake the fuck up?"

People are demoralized by the inaction and are on hold waiting to see if we can get a bigger Anti-War Congress and Senate so our representatives can stop giving the "Though we are in the majority, we can't seem to get around the minority" bullshit excuse.

I love Dennis, but he is dead wrong.

[rjones2818]

9. Here's why he's right, in part...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3308616
(about the 3 former SEC chairmen endorsing Obama).

Nothing against Obama, he's had the machine behind him as the rising young star and he's played it quite well. However, and it's a big however, we treat the thought that people who got us in this mess in the first place (economically) as if that's a good thing.

[tomp]

10. he says the country is asleep and he's right.

yes, i agree with you, the main problem is the government (in which i include the media), but the American people are not very aware or very active. if they were there would be massive demonstrations all the time, like the 60's. the country is currently being brainwashed by the spectacle of the democratic primary, which has, for the most part, successfully taken people's minds off the bush administrations atrocities. I believe very few of the people are thinking about pelosi and reed. this country does not have the heart or the guts to do what neds to be done right now. that could change on a dime with the right leadership. it is to the democrats' everlsting disgrace that they have once again rejected kucinich. if the people really knew what was going on they would have voted for him. there is no other choice for those who do.

[CaptJasHook]

12. I conceed most of what you are saying.

However, I can guarantee you that you will not see protests until the Draft is instated. That was the biggest reason for the 60s protests. You must also pile on that people had already been protesting for Civil Rights for almost a decade. Additionally, there was far more death and media coverage of it in Vietnam.

There will not be protest against Iraq like the 60s/70s. You cannot compare the times beyond a few parallels.

[tomp]

14. i compare them in the sense that activism was higher...

...for whatever reason. we have witnessed a coup in 2000 and ongoing election fraud, an illegal war and unvarnished trampling of the constitution. if your argument is that the people can be excused for their failure to become active because there is no draft, good luck to you. in my view the fact that democrats, republicans, and the people failed to correctly sum up the lessons of the 60's is why we are where we are today.

i agree that a draft would spark huge protests. i believe it's coming.

[CaptJasHook]

15. I wouldn't quite say that I am giving an excuse.

There is a problem. I just don't see it as a failure. I see a lot of activiism, I just don't see the mass protests. I also think that you underestimate the pain the country had in the 60s. They were just coming out of McCarthy, Civil Rights violence, 3 major assasinations, multiple presidents lying to them on Vietnam, the 68 Chicago riots, Shootings at Kent State.

The machine has become smarter and more subtle. I just don't think you can make valid comparisons. Instead, you need to look at what IS happening, and it is a lot.

Though things seem to move at a snails pace, given the outrage that most feel.

That is why I put more blame on our supposed Progressive and Liberal Democratic leadership. Fuck the DLC.

[tomp]

18. well, i'll go with you on, 'fuck the dlc."

i think you hit the nail on the head with:

-- "The machine has become smarter and more subtle.", and

-- "supposed" progressives and liberals.

i think, however, we are moving at frightening speed toward outright fascism (not at a snail's pace toward reform. there is a snail's pace of shifting that momentum but to my eye, it's insignificant.) and the american people don't get it (as evidenced by their rejection of kucinich for the limelight "supposed Progressive and Liberal" candidates.) and the politicians are enabling it with VERY few exceptions. obama, for instance, wants to "reach across the aisle". not for me, unless it's to slap the handcuffs on the traitors. masses of people need to "get it" and get it soon or we are doomed.

[The Wielding Truth]

28. Everyone I speak to is sick and ashamed of this Republicon

administration. I see protests coming this summer when gas prices and lack of sufficient medical insurance continue to be felt.

[rucognizant]

43. Sorry Capt. Jas Hook!

The Americans ARE asleep!
I have just driven 1,300 miles from, Maine to Fla & back......... In a 25 year old diesel Rabbit.
Rev. Wright is close but not quite on the mark. God <HAS DAMNED> AMERICA. The road trips I have known ( A Kerouac Gen.) in the 50's 60's etc........... don't exist now! There is NO REST at the "rest stops" The head splitting, mon otonous 1,2,3,4, beat & whining vocolist, volumn is controlled by headquarters in some other state.........MCD's runs the Mass Pike BADLY! Toilets clogged, overflowing & untended, with trans fats and HFCS! And the food, won't evenm go ther, it maked me sick to eat it!The girls are hitching up their ill made too tight too low cut jeans, to cover the love handles they all have unless they are anorexic, in which case they ( jeans)droop at the butt. ( Small wonder; the seamstreses, probably wear, more primitive lose fitting garments and have no understanding of cut & fit. Lev is used to fit like a glove, & cost $16.00- 20.00 until they went off shore.! Now I guess only the trust fund babies wear them. Boys of course, burdoned,with their big pants, underwear showing, shoestrings trailing,..........
The bedrooms of AMerica are owned by Pakistanis & Indians, in it for the money not the customer service! In VA the motel first room key didn't open the door ( dead batteries) the 2nd room the coffee maker, the TV didn't work, the drape fell down the next morning, and 2 of my hubcaps were stolen that night. The room was so scuzzy I slept in my clothes!
The drones are all lined up, pumping their own gas. WHen it was below $1.00 per gallon, the attnedant would do that, check your oil & water AND wash your windshield! I'm sure it prevented SOME accidents! And those hard plastic outrigger soles on all the shoes....how many times do they snag on the rug and fail to connect with the brake pedal?
It's tragic!

[defendandprotect]

11. The two candidates who would have gotten us out of Iraq and ...

awakened the public were quickly marched off the stage by those who are willing to keep the MIIC going . . .

I think the people are very concerned --- and have tried to move this Democratic Congress to end the war --

In fact, that's what the record shows of Pelosi speaking immediately after the 2006 win . . .
saying, "the people sent us here to stop this war!"

Then what happended --- ???

I have to agree that it isn't an unconcerned public --- it's Democratic leadership and DLC leadership which doesn't want to confront or upset the MIIC.

We also have to appreciate that we have had a long history now of political violence in America --
and I have to include 9/11 and the follow up Anthrax attacks in that --- so there is a bit more
to be considered. We have whistleblowers everywhere --- and yet on and on goes the warmongering
and the war.

You might look at it this way:-- we have criminals in control of our government.

[Kaleko]

26. Yeah, and it's the age-old battle between two fundamental levels of consciousness:

the dominators subjugating the cooperators - but never quite succeeding in the end.

That's why Star Wars, Lord Of The Rings, and Matrix ring bells on a massive scale.

We're starring in the real-life version of these movies, choosing our parts as we play out this epic drama once again.

(edit typo)

[dixiegrrrrl]

13. Besides me, how many on this page

sent an e-mail or called your congress critter today?

Yesterday?

how about tomorrow , too?

I just keep the e-mails and phone calls flying, like a pesky deer fly.

[treestar]

16. You are so right

This is what Dennis is talking about. We have to care enough to really pester them. That's what would "wake up" Pelosi and Reid and the rest. They'd have to feel the people really wanted something done to get out of the war and not start more.

[Perry Mason]

25. Dear Dixiegrrrrl

I love your post.

My Congressional representatives (Kaye Bailey Hutchinson and John Cornyn) do not accept calls or mail from the non-Republicans in their district.

Yes, that would by definition be taxation without representation.

[cyclezealot]

31. Rep Dingell

got our phone call today. TOld his staff why is he not responsive to the newly elected Democrats in this years primaries. They have formed an alliance and most will not vote for War funding come the new Congress. Appreciate DK's reminder to call. We did.

[defendandprotect]

59. Fairly good at it ---

But, really sickened by Pelosi/Reid --- and major disappointment with Conyers ---

[democracy1st]

17. thats my man right there ,kucinich for VP

[L0oniX]

19. K & R

[Perry Mason]

20. The truth is spoken, but meanwhile

Meanwhile people tie up this board arguing the merits of the two big corporate money sell out candidates Obama and Clinton.

Have you ever heard a thought like this out of either of them? (and you never will...) I'm expected to approve of this with my vote??

[frog92969]

36. The media left us this mess.

My top five got pushed out early, leaving me to choose between my #6 and #8.

I never had a chance to put my Kucinich sign in the yard.

[FREEWILL56]

41. Yes the media did it with the approval of the democratic leadership.

[beezlebum]

53. my blood is boiling.

yes, they did it with the approval of the democratic leadership. with the DLc. with the clintonian telecom act of 96.

i was a diehard DKer. i was seriously down when he left the race. i thought if dennis was ousted, we were through, if people- democrats- could actually listen to kucinich and still laugh and roll their eyes and ignore the substance, the democratic party would no longer be for me.

it took a lot for me to concede my support to obama, but I did it knowing that DK had asked his supporters to lend support him early on. this thread is reminding me of my intense reluctance and anger and frustration.

we are headed straight to hell.

[cyclezealot]

49. Thats why Mich/ Fla are doing what needs be done

If I can't vote for number one because of NH's dominance , I really would not waste postage on number 6.

[frog92969]

51. Me neither, but...

I had to vote AGAINST #8, way too corrupt for even dog catcher.

[cyclezealot]

55. Since they are mostly hot air and light on the issues

a vote for number 8 just does not excite me. Please stop screaming change unless you define what change is. Sloganeering just does not cut it with Kucinich people. A real turn off. In spite of a health care plan by Obama that won't work, we have no choice but to fall in line and hope Kucinich can influence the Congress and a Democratic president.

[knixphan]

22. hell yeah.

[whistle]

23. All that Dennis says is true, but congress is not interested in the truth

[ToughLuck]

27. How I wish this man was our president, it is very sad his voice is trivialized

by others, he has always spoken the truth, more than the others ever have.

[NikolaC]

29. Yet Again

he is right. I think that he would have made a good president, but he can also be a great asset to any Dem administration. Go Dennis!

[Agony]

32. I have two DLC Senators and one nutjob rubberstamp repug Rep as my representatives.

That ain't working out so well for me. I have come to the conclusion that the right path is going to be one long, slow, hard, slog. Dennis is exactly right about the asleep thing. I have taken to standing on the side of the road in a silent vigil holding a sign that says "Peace", one day a week. I feel like I am part of the lunatic fringe standing there. Many, many, many people that pass by will not look you in the eye or acknowledge your presence. I believe that on balance americans are afraid of peace. This vigil feels like a very selfish and possibly useless act. I tell myself... maybe I will make just one person think about the war today. I think that Scott Ritter is correct when he says that americans are not anti-war they are anti-losing-a-war.

We should not be at war unless the WHOLE BLOODY country is on a war footing. If a war is worth fighting then I have no problem being personally involved. Have you seen a war that was worth fighting yet?

I have done and continue to do all the other things...

Cheers! huh.

Agony

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[barbtries]

34. this man may yet

make a great president

[LWolf]

35. I have a deep well of respect for and gratitude to this man for doing just that:

standing up and speaking out, consistently and persistently, during the whole tenure of the Bush administration, whether his colleagues, his party, backed him or not.

[FREEWILL56]

38. Ditto. We need more like him.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

39. K & Rec #41

I've always thought Dennis becomes more and more respected and listened to by people who are paying attention. I salute him.:patriot:

[zeos3]

40. Go Dennis

[Rhiannon12866]

42. K&R for Dennis!!! Thanks!!!

:toast::applause::woohoo::yourock:

[jeff30997]

45. Wow! K&R

That man is one of the very few politicians I truly respect.Mr.Kucinich I respect and trust

you.:applause:

[DesertRat]

46. Thank you Dennis!! k&r

[Lakerstan]

47. Dennis for Department of Peace! nt

[frog92969]

52. Yes!

[Norrin Radd]

48. kr

[beezlebum]

54. kr

[happygoluckytoyou]

56. LINK THE CANDIDATE TO THE PARTY...MY JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN

But Mr. McCain’s advisers said the Mississippi race underlined his intention to distance himself as much as possible from Congressional Republicans. NYTIMES

WRONG MR JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN....

...... WE MUST LINK THE MAN TO HIS PARTY..... MR JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN

.....MY NAME IS NOT JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN, AND I APPROVE THIS MESSAGE!!!!!

[Highway61]

57. They simply don't come any better

Than Dennis....good man