Palin's Racism Is Out In The Open

[lame54]

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With one week left she not trying to hide it or use code words

[The Shadow]

1. What A Piece Of Americana She Is!

What an asshole this woman is. Apparently, being racist in Alaska is ok, as I have been reading over the past few weeks. Even though her hubby, Toad has native roots, from what I understand she treats the real natives in Alaska like the second class citizens she thinks they are. Disgusting human!

[Jack Rabbit]

9. She's American, all right. So are we all.

Dan'l Webster's brow looked dark as a thundercloud. "Pressed or not, you shall not have this man" he thundered. "Mr. Stone is an American citizen, and no American citizen may be forced into the service of a foreign prince. We fought England for that in ‘12 and we’ll fight all hell for it again!"

"Foreign?" said the stranger. "And who calls me a foreigner?"

"Well, I never yet heard of the dev -- of your claiming American citizenship," said Dan'l Webster with surprise.

"And who with better right?" said the stranger, with one of his terrible smiles. "When the first wrong was done to the first Indian, I was there. When the first slaver put out for the Congo, I stood on her deck. Am I not in your books and stories and beliefs, from the first settlements on? Am I not spoken of, still, in every church in New England? 'Tis true the North claims me for a Southerner, and the South for a Northerner, but I am neither. I am merely an honest American like yourself-and of the best descent-for, to tell the truth, Mr. Webster, though I don't like to boast of it, my name is older in this country than yours."

. . . . . . . . . . . . . -- From "The Devil and Daniel Webster" by Stephen Vincent Benet

[obiwan]

29. She's a piece of something, all right.

[muntrv]

2. Hey Sarah! Where's your klan regalia?

[jhrobbins]

12. No kidding - we should take a collection and send her a hood and a sheet.

[RobertSeattle]

3. Proudly Stupid

[bjobotts]

15. Gather the ignorant around me as they will not correct me.Our American embarrassment.

[Kalifornia.Kid]

4. Totally despicable and to be giggling about it.

[PittDem]

5. Didn't seem racist to me.

Palin is an awful choice. She has embarrassed McCain everyday. She would be the worst VP ever. I wouldn't call "Joe Momma" a racist comment. She was goofing around, harmless fun. It seemed to me that the joke was said in reference to herself. H-U-M-O-R. Lighten up

[demwing]

6. My hearing ain't what it used to be, but I hink she said "Joe Bama"

or maybe not :)

[madhawk]

7. i'm white

i'm white, i grew up in detroit. that is defiantly racism, and that cannot be tolerated.
hawk

[HPD]

8. i'm white too

and i grew up in Detroit, and now back in Detroit. I don't think it's racist.

[PittDem]

11. white too

I am white too. Grew up in white NJ. Lived in Fla, Mass and PA too. Heard and told many funny "Joe Momma" jokes and never thought of them as a black, white, brown or yellow thing. Have black people told "Joe" or "yo" momma jokes, sure...who hasn't. Go to Youtube and search for "joe momma jokes" It's pretty harmless fun.

[phasinated]

10. Actually what she said was

"Mr. Obama, never in my wildest dreams could I even fathom being as dignified as you are."

[quantass]

13. Im black and i dont see how this is racist...clue me in...

seems harmless to me, unless i'm missing something being Canadian.

[bjobotts]

19. Some white racists act black saying "yo mama' in a manner mocking black people

Joe mama is a play on that and it is all really stupid mostly played by teens in the '60s. Palin is a real goober...ignorant as they come and the people surrounding and supporting her are the mos vile and ignorant America has to offer having been cultivated by the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Ann Colter, Glenn Beck,Michael Savage, hate radio etc. for the last 15 yrs. That is the extent of Palin's popularity and she is stupid enough to believe that is a majority. She thinks she can say anything as long as she giggles at the end. Just a pathetic human being trying to make a future cultivating the sickest bigots in America.

[fourvahl]

14. When was that said?

Was that today?

Some of you can say all you want that wasn't racist. Fine. You are entitled to your opinion. However, it certainly wasn't a very wise statement to make because clearly even in these few first posts there is a divided opinion.

Not too smart. As always the public will decide as soon as they are aware of it.

[Confusious]

16. Yea and you know liberals

Ultra sensitive. Seeing racism, sexism and every other ism around the corner.

Thats not sarcasm.

and what she said is not racist. Keep your pants on or you'll make us look ridiculous.

Oops, was that sexist?

[fourvahl]

17. you are free to feel however you want.

I am just stating the obvious. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Hey, some feel even more free without their pants on. :shrug:

[democracy1st]

18. WTF is racist ?

[krkaufman]

21. I was wondering that myself. n/t

[rebel with a cause]

22. good question.

If I understood her correctly she was saying that last night there was a sign that said something about 'I'm Joe's momma'. If indeed there was a sign and it was written to be in slang terms used purely to make fun of African Americans, then the sign maker in themselves were racist. If palin thought the sign was funny and did not realize that it was meant to be racist, then what she said is not racist. If she indeed understood that it was racist and thought it was funny, then what she said was racist.

Now if the sign was simply written, I am Joe's momma and had no racial overtones then there is a lot made over nothing. My vote is on the former, it was probably written to be racist. Whether or not clueless knew what she was reading and saying is up to the listener to decide. Frankly this is not clearly 'white speak' so I don't know from this short clip. :shrug:

[fourvahl]

20. One more comment

I don't think it was especially racist. Kids joke about it all the time. However, you know some folks are going to get ticked off by it and for that reason alone it was a very STUPID comment for Palin to say. She needs a leash.

[BobTheSubgenius]

23. I believe it's more a case of being extra lame, as opposed to racist.

An embarrassing attempt to be hip, yeah?

[Naturyl]

24. Not so much racist as corny and dumb. n/t

[RainDog]

25. this is ridiculous. there's nothing racist about this.

I detest Palin and honestly think she's a dangerous person.

However, she was talking about people who were identifying themselves by their professions and someone played off the "Joe the Plumber" by calling herself "Joe Mama."

This is a part of American culture. In the seventies, when people actually started paying attention to parts of America that weren't just Leave It To Beaver, sociologists, etc. did work looking at language and culture. That's when doing dozens was popularized as a form of comedy.

Doing dozens became a part of popular culture and was on SNL, for example, among many other shows.

To claim that this is somehow racist, to me, is like saying anyone who says "I'm rich, be-atch." is a racist if they watch Dave C. and laugh WITH him about what he's saying about American culture, poverty, black males as a targeted group for prejudice... it really seems like it's reaching to try to make anything out of this other than to look at these people and say that it's a shame that they don't realize they have more in common with the rest of the working and middle class in this nation, no matter what color, religion, etc. than they do with republicans like Bush.

[davsam]

26. historically

Actually, there is an historical implication of racism in this joke. While it is minor, or even negligible, it is there.

In the rural south, during the years of desegregation, the joke of "Joe Mamma" was something of a twist of Aunt Jemimah -- as in "Who you is?" "A'int Joe Mamma?"

Joe Mamma isn't the same as "yo mamma", or dozens, jokes. It's a little different. It digs into the racial tensions that were especially prevalent during desegregation, etc. Typically, if you find "blackface" or "mammy" characters/caricatures to be distasteful or racist, then this old joke surely is.

Either way, it needs to be retired and not giggled at during a public debate.

[RainDog]

27. I grew up in a racially mixed area during desegregation.

in the south... upper south, not lower, but I am aware of that time in history. My elementary school was a "magnet school" before they existed - b/c of the university in the city that was trying out the idea of bringing younger students together who weren't from the rich parts of the city. There were some Af.Am kids in the school too, tho it was predominantly white.

As a kid I participated in city activities that involved both races - summer programs that were racially mixed.

/edited to add - and when I was a kid my mom used to take kids to basketball games who were disabled. She took both black and white kids, and my mother worked in a desegregated workplace when I was a kid. - just to add another point of reference. /

Not too long ago, I was talking to someone about how my school had integrated parties and people got along and other people found it hard to believe... but that's the truth. One of my good friends was college roommates with another friend (we'd all played basketball in jr. high) who was Af.Am. - this wasn't weird to any of us. We'd participated in a walk out at my school to make it possible for votes for cheerleaders, for instance, to be done in such a way that Af. Am. cheerleaders were also elected.

This is the first time I've ever heard "Who you is/Ain't Joe Momma." I don't understand the meaning of this now, in fact. what is it supposed to mean?

I think that the way in which I understood this is just as viable as the way you perceive this - you don't know the context/background of the person who created the sign. You don't know if they were aware of "Ain't Joe Momma." I think you are assuming far too much by saying this is the equivalent of Aunt Jemima.

I don't doubt that there is the "aint' joe momma" context, but I also know from other moments in my life that have NOTHING to do with race, that we can make assumptions about knowledge on the part of someone that they do not have and are not bringing to any conversation. One moment I'm thinking about in particular, because it was so weird, was when I was talking to an adult about a teacher I knew, who also knew that adult's wife through her work. Because I mentioned this teacher and the adult's wife, he thought I was trying to be mean to him. He made some rude remark to me and I was just confused. It turned out that the guy's wife and the teacher had an affair. I had no knowledge of this - I only found out about it because of the guy's reaction to my totally innocuous remark.

There are plenty of reasons to dislike Palin and those who support her. I doubt that the woman who claimed she was "Joe Mama" meant anything other than a play on words - the yo mama/joe plumber thing. but who knows. maybe I am far too removed from that sort of hatred to "get" the insult.

However, maybe you are also reading something into this remark that isn't there. In either case, I doubt we'll know the true intent of the person who said it and it then becomes a matter of deciding what this remark means to each of us based upon our own frames of reference.

[lame54]

30. it's "Your momma"

[tendtoagree]

28. Her two minutes of fame are over

On election day.

[Best_man23]

31. I don't consider this particular an example of her racism

Now, the tape from the other day where someone in the crowd dropped the N-bomb and she said NOTHING, which basically condoned the behaviour, is a much better example.

[madhawk]

32. jo mama or yo mama?

just because young ppl say it, just because they say it on snl just because palin has no idea what it means does not mean it is not raciest. and keeping your pants on is so far from sexiest i can't believe it.
hawk

[agentS]

33. Palin belongs in AmeriKKKa for this nonsense.

1. It's "yo mama" not "joe mama". If you're gonna use slang in a racially derogatory way, at least say it the right way!
2. Under normal circumstances, we could call this a bad joke and if it were anybody else it wouldn't be racism. Unfortunately with Palin, we have here a pattern of racial slurs, racist associations, and prejudicial actions. Remember "So sambo beat the bitch?"
3. Matt the hunter, Dan the plumber's son? Who the fuck are these people? And why should I care if they like you? Of course, since I'm BLACK, I'm not a real American, ain't dat rite, Moose-lini?

[SilverWolf]

34. Joe Mamma is a racist term

I used to hear this term a lot in the last 1970's often with the word the "N" word. Often both were used together in racial humor. I heard junior chamber of commerce members (drunk) yelling back and forth, "Hey Joe", "Joe who", "Joe Momma" in their "best" inner city accents. I have only heard Joe Momma used by white men to ridicule African Americans. I am a 54 year old white male.