NEW TV-19 Coverage: Connell Cancelled 2 Flights on Sabotage Suspicion

[Hissyspit]

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Dec. 21, 2008.

[Tuesday_Morning]

1. k & r

:kick:

[JMDEM]

2. I wonder how soon before the

anti conspiracy crowd around here launches their campaign on this one...

Ain't no election fraud, ain't no 9/11 conspiracy, Oswald acted alone, go back to sleep, nothing to see here, yea yea yea...

[madeline_con]

4. How can they possibly deny this?

It's so blatantly obvious. The plane ran out of gas and went down in flames? Riiiiight.

[no limit]

48. Has the NTSB released their findings yet? They must have since you are claiming..

...that the plane ran out of gas and went down in flames.

Of course unless you are jumping to conclusions based on uncollaborated sources, then please, by all means, don't let me stop you.

This should be investigated and will be, as all flights that crash are. But as always many on DU have already made up their mind.

[JMDEM]

54. The NTSB DID come to a conclusion

Two bullets brought the plane down. One hit the plane in the neck, exited the plane and went into another plane, while the second bullet hit the plane in the head. The bullets were fired from a single manlicher carcano rifle (WWII vintage italian rifle).

So you think the NTSB is completely unimpeachable?

[no limit]

56. Thanks for the laugh.

But no, I'm not saying that they are unimpeachable. I'm saying that this crash just happened, and as always 90% of this message board has made up their mind before any kind of investigation has taken place. This is what happens every time someone dies. The first thing DU does is tie it to the Bush administration. Hell, some even did that here with Tim Russert. It's just a little silly, and you know what they say about crying wolf...

[intheflow]

65. Do you have a link for that NTSB info?

Because there's nothing on the google about the NTSB having released any information on the crash to date. And I can't find any record of it in their database: http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp.

[madeline_con]

60. This was from asnother incredulous DUer, who reportedly

does not go in for conspiracy theories, but is sure this smells bad. Can't recall the user. It was posted last night. :shrug:

[Jackpine Radical]

64. Actually, it's the Republicans who have "collaborated" sources.

We try to rely on corroborated ones.

[exman]

67. If my memory serves me

9/11 flights and flight 800 were investigated by other than ntsb (800 went down after leaving NY, many claimed to have seen missile launch from sea)

[Creationismsucks]

19. Whoa! Watch how broad you make that brush.

The conspiracy being proposed here is much smaller, presenting far fewer technical problems to pull off.

The 9-11 one would have to be vastly more efficient and leak-proof, making it less likely.

It is not the case that either ALL conspiracies are true or NONE of them are.

Skepticism of conspiracy theories is perfectly valid, no matter how annoying you might personally find it.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to keep the CIA from re-programming me through my dental fillings...

[we can do it]

20. They've Already Been In Action This Weekend, the Liars Also

And the throw out false info crowd, too.....for example the weather was dry and very breezy all afternoon and overnight in that neighborhood, my dad lives about a block away from the crash site. However, the booshit artists were posting shit like - the weather was deteriorating, blahblahblah.

[Wilms]

29. Don't be so hard on Larrisa throwing out false info. She already retracted the out of gas story.

Granted, that hasn't put an end to people thinking that there is a BS story planted to get us all to go back to sleep, and then determining that the 'planted' story may be part of the conspiracy.

On this thread, there are more than a dozen references to running out of gas, and a single post mentioning Larissa's retraction.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3653385#3654020

But don't be pissed at her for making us all look like a bunch of irresponsible fools who just blindly repeat stuff.

She explains:

"I am getting this stuff in real time, so information sometimes is not fully detailed or even accurate. Which is why I have been updating it as I learn more."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3653385&mesg_id=3654092

See? All better.

People could also try to not be too tough on others who try to not be irresponsible fools who just blindly repeat stuff.

[elleng]

57. Did someone mention

Larissa? She most DEFINITELY disclaims any rationale for the crash.

[Wilms]

69. Larrissa herself blogged about a claim that the plane ran out of gas.

Like most people would, she thought that was really odd and meant to distract from a homicide.

Then she had to update her blog, deciding that the person she heard it from had no basis for saying it...or some such. Of course, by then many were reposting that notion with the natural suspicion that a cover-up had been mounted. And probably still are.

A perfect example of how a rumor gets started.

I called her out on the sloppy journalism. (I know. I shouldn't have done that in the echo chamber.) And she accused me of being Bev Harris, or in cahoots with same. Nice touch, in my opinion.

Did you click the links I provided?

[elleng]

77. Yes I did.

I seem to recall she first said she doesn't know ANYTHING about aviation, and had no info, 'but' low gas was a quick/early speculation.

[Wilms]

78. Let's cut right to it. Here's what she blogged.

"He apparently ran out of gas, something I find hard to believe."

http://www.atlargely.com/2008/12/one-of-my-sources-died-in-a-plane-crash-last-night.html

That's how the rumor got going. Period.

Whatever else she wrote, including disclaimers about not knowing anything about aviation, and later amending the blog, she said the dude "apparently ran out of gas".

And that's what I'm noting.

That, and sorry she screwed it up.

[we can do it]

80. It Wasn't Larissa I Was Talking About, Some New Member, I Think

who was saying oh yeah I live some where near and the weather was awful - total BS, I mentioned that perhaps he was thinking it was a day earlier when the weather was bad, but no comment was made. This was on more than on thread, btw. I don't remember which

[jeff30997]

3. K&R

Pigboy Rove is behind this.Connell should have think twice before making a pact with the devil.

[Peace Patriot]

5. Oh, great, the 'Feds' are on the case!

Can't wait for the Bush-FAA and the Bush-FBI to tell us what happened.

[leftchick]

24. I wish Larisa would call that reporter

and tell him what Connell told her. That is the only way we can get out the truth.

[jimshoes]

58. That's a really good idea. 19 News seems to have at

least reporeted some of the facts that are known about Connell. You never know when a story just might lead to a Pulitzer Prize dont'cha know.

[Alcibiades]

46. The ones inclined to cover this up

Are busy sending out resumes. This case will not be closed before the new administration comes in.

[TheEuclideanOne]

6. If you cancel a flight twice due to suspicious problems with the plane

Eventually the guys sabotaging your plane will catch on and come up with something that is not so easily detectable prior to flight.

[Karenina]

16. The third time is the charm...

[Hubert Flottz]

7. No "Hohner" among election thieves...

Anybody that has the goods on bushCo and talks, winds up dead.

[elleng]

59. Yes

.

[Dennis Donovan]

8. Recommended.

Wow!

[Rhiannon12866]

75. That was my reaction, too. I didn't want you to miss this.

I had the ABC early morning news on and they showed 1988 footage of Peter Jennings reporting on the Lockerbie crash. I looked for it, but only found Sam Donaldson. But that was pretty good, wanted to post it, but the video forum only accepts YouTube videos.

I thought you'd be interested in that, too...

December 28, 1988: Pam Am Flight 103
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4063180

[Botany]

9. Nothing to see here move on .... nothing to see here

he was whacked

[comtec]

10. LOL Yeah I loved the "burst suddenly into flames after landing" part

How the Fuck can you NOT think of this as deliberate?!

I mean seriously you'd have to be hard-wired AGAINST thinking that conspiracies exist. Just look at all the RASH of small plane accidents.

Christ, there weren't this many "accidents" during the COLD WAR, and that was fucking VICIOUS!

Ran out of fuel, but they DID manage to land, THEN it blows up? WTF, where'd the fuel for THAT fire come from?! it's totally illogical to think this was ANY kind of accident, aside from a planned one!

[tridim]

73. It's like that Family Guy episode where the Amish wagon explodes..

and then the horse explodes too.

[I Have A Dream]

11. Wow, this is actually getting coverage!

I hope that something comes of it.

[Peggesis1]

12. I'm surprised that "Action News channel 19" is covering this.

What is this TV station and how did they decide to cover the story this way? I'm glad they did, and now I wonder if they're getting a little visit from the Bush administration.

[Divine Discontent]

66. local stations always (nearly always) report on local news - it's like a must

if they didn't, it would smack of clear media control and make people look further into things - now, having it go on the NBC Nightly News in detail about the connections, that's another thing - they surely mentioned his death, but I'm sure it wasn't an investigative report. Gotta work the story out I guess, but how can this not smack of murder?

[stlsaxman]

13. "Connell Knowledge" can be a dangerous thing.

oh wait- sorry...

[tanyev]

14. Holy Crap.

:wow:

[spelldmilk]

15. This is crazy. This administration is filled with psychopoaths.WTF?

[graywarrior]

17. Hmmmm, so much to be said about this that I don't know where to start

[pleah]

18. K&R Hoping the truth will come out. n/t

[DaLittle Kitty]

21. K & R Jest Doit! FASCISM'S MARCH CONTINUES... Arrest & Prosecute These Bastards!

:nuke:

[Hokie]

22. Interesting

I hope he had some evidence hidden away just in case something happened to him like this. I wonder if his wife thinks that Rove had him assassinated?

[crim son]

23. I'm sure we'll learn a lot more in the days to come.

Obviously it's foul play, and there will be questions, then outrage and condemnation & cries for justice, and then... nothing. As usual.

[scytherius]

25. Well of COURSE they killed him

Our last hope is that the Obama admin will investigate the Bush crimes. If he doesn't, this country is truly done.

[Beetwasher]

26. Why Fly The Plane AT ALL Then????

I would stay the fuck out of the plane for good if that were the case.

Not necessarily saying he wasn't assassinated, just wondering why the fuck he would STILL fly it if he felt they were trying to get him?

[Wilms]

32. I'm also not necessarily saying he wasn't assassinated, either.

But the best I can determine is that it wasn't Connell saying he was threatened. Rather it was Arnebeck saying that somebody told Arnebeck that Rove was gunning for Connell.

So that's a bit different.

If you really study this, you'll see a report saying that the alleged threat has been repeatedly reported (as if the same few blogs repeating the same allegation enough times makes it fact :eyes: ). Then it morphs into another report saying Rove had repeatedly threatened Connell. People can't...or won't...read.

Mark Crispin Miller also fumbles his way through it on Amy Goodman's show. But Mark is...like...God. So I won't say anymore about that.

It's a bad game of telephone. Entertaining when not utterly sad.

[creeksneakers2]

71. The original threat story didn't even deal with violence.

The threat story was the Connell was supposed to take the rap for stealing the 2004 Ohio election. If Connell refused, the yarn goes, his wife would be indicted for lobby law violations. As far as I have been able to find, Connell's wife isn't even a lobbyist.

Then the story morphed into calling the attorney general and asking for protection. The first story just faded away. Now instead of refusing to take the fall now its a mysterious and unexplained urge to spill all of some unspecified magnitude 20 earthquake revelations to some unspecified somebody, and all this just a month after Connell sent his attorneys to quash a subpoena that would lead to him getting an opportunity to tell all he knew. And Rove couldn't let the bean spilling happen,so he had the guy's house watched and had his goons keeping up with the blogs to make sure that if any insider decided to tip off the libs that the insider would be disposed of immediately.

What amazes me most is that all of this alleged Rove mobster type activity is said to arise from one crackpot lawsuit that had no evidence at all and nothing more than a crackpot theory about what MIGHT have happened. That theory doesn't stand against 5 minutes of logic.

So Rove, who is probably the proud target of Lord knows how many crackpot lawsuits, supposedly calls out hit men and everything to prevent this farce from exposing him. A first year law school graduate could have just as easily had the whole suit thrown out, as it was totally without merit. The only hope the suit ever had that somehow if Connell was captive of a subpoena and had to behave to escape a perjury rap that Connell was spill unspecified secrets that would lead to a total rearrangement of the political situation in the United States. When Connell made it to the stand, Connell said he didn't know anything about any stolen election, that he didn't have to answer questions about any other conspiracy theories because they weren't relevant to the suit filed, and skipped off a couple hours later leaving the attorney providing the world with the reports of threats holding pages and pages of lawsuit that had nowhere else to go.

That's where the whole thing stood until the airplane accident.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

27. k

[GETPLANING]

28. I'm a little surprised Connell continued to fly

his light plane, knowing they were out to get him.

[Alameda]

52. .....then it would have happened another way...

[creeksneakers2]

70. The reason Connell continued to fly

was that there were no threats and no attempts at sabotage. That's all made up by conspiracy theory shops. Of course he wouldn't fly if his plane was sabotaged two times and his friend told him he was about to be murdered. Common sense!

[kag]

30. As our babysitter said...

...about the "Sarah Palin's daughter is the mother of that baby scandal," THAT'S JUST BAD LYING!

[lovuian]

31. McConnell knew they stole the elections he helped them

and he knew something that was way to close to Daddy Bush...

[kayakjohnny]

35. Do you know what that is? Or where I can find out? It would sure add another

dimension to this. Given Sr. Bush's questionable actions over the years.

[Faygo Kid]

33. Wow.

Will Rove get away with murder, too?

[DirtyDawg]

34. Whataya bet....

...that if they nail the people that 'engineered' this 'crash', they'll also have the same ones that did in Mel Carnahan and Paul Wellstone? Under the category that Repugs are creatures of habit, and that the same people that did the deed at Watergate were the ones that broke into Daniel Ellsberg's office, they undoubtedly re-used the same plane sabotage specialists. Once they get 'em the whole bunch will flip on the entire, rotten excuse for a political party that is Republican. I can't wait for the flood of admissions and recriminations once they get started. Hell, even the 'Saint' RR will be forever associated with the worst of the worst.

Well, I can dream, can't I?

[hedgehog]

38. This comment is worthy of an OP all its own!

I think you're on to something!

Don't forget, this method goes back all the way to Hale Boggs in 1972!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hale_Boggs

[ooglymoogly]

43. About that watergate thing....thats just tin foil hat stuff.

You conspiracy folks just crack me up.

[Happyhippychick]

36. Holy Cow! This is not just some tin foil hat conspiracy, this is real!

K&R

[Ysabela]

37. Small planes are their M.O...

And we all know these criminals work the media cycles like clockwork. Michael Connell should NOT have been travelling by small plane on the SATURDAY BEFORE CHRISTMAS! We all know that Saturdays are the days that they dump the news stories that they don't want anyone to read each week. Well the Saturday before Christmas is like their yearly 'take out the trash' day in the news world. That's the day when witnesses and investigations are killed.

[rhett o rick]

39. Does Kenneth Blackwell fly small planes? nm

[Creationismsucks]

40. Wow. This looks bad.

Real cloak and dagger stuff. Sounds like Rove could really be involved. And you know, all kinds of similar things may be going on in cases we'll never know the first thing about! Creepy.

[rhett o rick]

41. Has the Michael Connell death been covered at all in the corporate media? nm

[emlev]

76. By The Telegraph in the U.K. and supposed to be on Lou Dobbs Tuesday n/t

[Infinite Hope]

42. He could have commit suicide as well to avoid the scandal, making it look like murder. n/t

[ooglymoogly]

44. Yah thats the ticket he commited suicide

He was scared out of his wits for his life and he committed suicide......tidy theory

[eagertolearn]

51. Thats exactly what I thought! He was in deep trouble no matter what he said.

He got turned in by Spoonmoore the original whistle blower and Rove and company wanted him to take full blame for the stolen election or else they would report his wife for lobbying irregularities (I'm just repeating what i saw on heere last night). So he was in deep trouble no matter what he did so why not die in an accident so your family wouldn't go down with him...instead get the insurance. It's sad no matter what. Hopefully people won't be so eager to help these GOP crooks again...the ultimate death wish!

[w4rma]

55. He was asking a judge for immunity. He wouldn't have spent a day in jail. (nt)

[eagertolearn]

68. But if he had immunity he would have to worry about what Rove and the GOP

would do to his family or him for a long time. It seems more likely that "they" took care of him but just a thought. Will any of these thugs ever go to jail....especially Carl Rove. He is the devil. How can that guy live with himself. I imagine all this election stealing stuff will come to a head when the repugs are out of office. Someone has to be prosecuted and the GOP will be known for stealing two elections and screwing up our country because of it. Thats why they could be trying to clean up a bit.

[tomm2thumbs]

45. making politics look dirty on the way out of the white house

makes you wonder what has been going on the last 8 years

[MessiahRp]

47. With his worries about sabotaged planes...

did he bother to record some sort of tell all that could get out should he be killed? It would seem to me to be important to do that if you really feared for your life.

Rp

[Botany]

49. This should be on the front page of every paper across the country

I pray I live to see the day Rove, Blackwell, and Company are in jail
for Ohio 2004

[Fire1]

50. Ha! And they still got him. Karma's a bitch!

[Number23]

53. Absolutely fascinating stuff

[mzmolly]

61. .

K and R

:kick:

[mzmolly]

62. I hope he left a video deposition in a safe deposit box

somewhere?

:(

[Piewhacket]

63. Wellstone...

Published in the May 27, 2002 issue of The Nation
Paul Wellstone, Fighter by John Nichols
www.commondreams.org/views02/0510-04.htm

Paul Wellstone is a hunted man. Minnesota's senior senator is not just another Democrat on White House political czar Karl Rove's target list, in an election year when the Senate balance of power could be decided by the voters of a single state. Rather, getting rid of Wellstone is a passion for Rove, Dick Cheney, George W. Bush and the special-interest lobbies that fund the most sophisticated political operation ever assembled by a presidential administration. "There are people in the White House who wake up in the morning thinking about how they will defeat Paul Wellstone," a senior Republican aide confides. "This one is political and personal for them." ....

[ADAP2K]

72. CBS News Now Backing Off “Conspiracy Theory”

VR mentioned on WOIO News cast.

CBS News Now Backing Off “Conspiracy Theory” that Michael Connell was told NOT TO FLY and plane may be SABOTAGED
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl51vtElmj8


More here:
http://adap2k.blogspot.com/

[Hissyspit]

74. I don't hear them backing off.

Just sound like they are covering the blogs angle and don't have any other new developments.

[ADAP2K]

79. From the transcript:

From the transcript:
19 Action News' investigation concludes that the plane crash that killed GOP operative Mike Connell was probably not a conspiracy.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Local_TV_news_Connell_crash_accident_1223.html

[Piewhacket]

82. Now THAT sounds like a conspiracy.

"probably not a conspiracy", (eyes rolling)
how the hell would 19 Action News be competent to "conclude" that?
Actually that sounds like either idiots work for Action News,
or it sounds just like a cover-up story (conspiracy).

Which is it, Action News?

[ADAP2K]

81. Case Goes International

Michael Connell's Death + Threats from Rove over Ohio Election Fraud . Missing Email's Case Goes International
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8yUk_5RYOo