TYT: Should George W. Bush Be Investigated? The Media Says 'No'.

[ihavenobias]

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[jimlup]

1. I like Cenk's reaction

As usual Cenk is right on here.

[pansypoo53219]

2. the gnews created georgee.

they still love him. and they are to the rite of america and blinded by the smoke and mirrors they created.

[pleah]

3. K&R Could the MSM be guilty of something?

I'm not sure what it could be, but this is such blatantly biased spin that it makes you wonder.

[libodem]

4. Oh, that damn 'drive-by media'

you can never trust the liberul media, anyway. Who cares? The 'news' has become one editorial opinion piece after another. Seems like nothing is objective and factual it's called 'entertainment'. I for one am not entertained! I heard one TV reporter call Obama's last plea for the stimulus to pass as his "bully-pulpit". F that.

[ihavenobias]

18. Right, the "liberal" media.

;)

[libodem]

26. that was me spelling liberal

freeper-style. :)

[edc]

5. It's a class thing

:dunce: A tiny fraction of the American people own just about everything, including mass media. They live in the same gated communities, go to the same schools, serve on the same corporate boards, party at the same country clubs, vacation at the same resorts and marry into each others families. George Jr. may be a criminal, but he's their criminal.

[wroberts189]

6. The whole world says yes. And it will happen. nt

[Seldona]

7. K&R

[ejbr]

Let's see if the Dems have grown spines n/t

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[ihavenobias]

21. It's sad how long we've been waiting for that to happen.

I fear we'll continue waiting.

[ejbr]

23. Aw come on...

Have a heart. ;-)

[butterfly77]

44. I think we need to put the pressure on our senators and congressmen..

I have been emailing weekly leaving different messages about different issues.

[santamargarita]

8. What did anyone expect the goddamn fascist media to say?

These asshole should be put away, also!

[JDPriestly]

38. I would like to comment on the folly of believing that we can "investigate"

prior to a criminal prosecution. The problem with that approach is that to get the kind of testimony and other cooperation you would need to investigate properly, you would need to grant some immunity to witnesses -- immunity for their own roles in the crimes that have been committed. Once you grant that immunity, accomplices to crime no longer need fear being prosecuted themselves and are usually reluctant to cooperate. And even worse, if you grant that kind of immunity to the top criminals, it can be very difficult to get convictions and to enforce sentences against them. This was a problem in Iran-Contra.

We need criminal prosecutions. There is not middle ground.

For evidence of the unwillingness of witnesses to testify and cooperate once they have been granted immunity, just look at the telecom companies now that they have received what amounts to immunity for their illegal cooperation with the Bush administration on illegal wiretapping. Have any of the telecoms come forward to let Americans know just what was going on? Not that I have heard of. Had someone succeeded in taking those companies to court, we would know the scope of the Bush programs. As it stands, we will never know -- and what is more, those programs are probably still going on. All of our electronic communications are probably being recorded at this moment. That's the horrible truth.

[fasttense]

9. For their own good, the US of A should prosecute the bush and dick than

let a foreign country at them. As this economic collapse gets worse and worse, more and more foreign countries and their powerful rulers are going to be pointing the finger at the bush and dick. Even if they don't think it was the bush or dick's fault, the two would make nice scapegoats and useful foils for the angry public to focus on. They may simply want to get revenge for the economic collapse and use the war crime issue as a way of getting at the two criminals.

It would be much better if we investigate and prosecute them ourselves. We could ensure a fair hearing for the two. Don't you know some of those third world countries would use torture on them.

[OhioChick]

10. K&R

:kick:

[avaistheone1]

11. Is it really that much to ask the Bush be investigated -

given he has nearly destroyed this country.

I know the guy has gotten away with everything in his life, but not having some degree of accountability from him is ridiculous.

[arundhatiroyfan]

12. K&R.

[ooglymoogly]

13. KR. Corpmedia is absolutely correct when you understand they are speaking

in Orwellian Newspeak. They are teaching us to cast off the truth and think in doublthink. George Orwell had these folks down to a tee in 1949 as did Aldous Huxley almost 20 yrs earlier....plenty of time for us to learn...but no....propaganda works and this is pure and evil propaganda at work before our very eyes.

[Royal Sloan 09]

14. Double-plus good, K & R

the megaphone media/propaganda machine is spewing forth such vile double speak, it's the Repug America minority that rules? Ya comrade, the stats and numbers are for those liberal elitists.

[20score]

15. Not only Bush and Cheney, but certain people in the media should also be investigated.

The owners and people who knowingly spread lies that started the Iraq War.

[Lisa0825]

16. K&R

:kick:

[matthewf]

17. k&r

[Window]

19. K/R. I'm in total agreement with Cenk. The media isn't going to do a damned thing to the *Cabal

because they are complicit. They will, however, be there to smell it if President Obama farts. I feel they, along with the Republicans, have been extremely rude to our President. And I don't like it one bit. It's a damned good thing he is so well-liked by the people.

I almost... almost pity the fools.


Peace:thumbsup:

[Kajsa]

20. They drive me crazy too, Cenk!

Never mind that prosecuting Bush/Cheney was the number one
question on Change.gov, and the majority of us want this.

They're not going to report it!

The next time someone speaks of the " liberal media",
I'm going the scream!

:grr:

a big :kick: and R.

[windoe]

22. THE Media?

Corporate Media ( ie representatives) do not wish to be investigated, or their complicity/blindness/enabling of crimes will be exposed. Who cares what they want, they had countless chances to tell the truth and chose/choose to lie instead.

Independent media sure feels differently about this issue.

Only truth will set us all free.

[MedfordTim]

24. The Media can go screw

I vote YES, WE CAN!

[GinaMaria]

25. kickin' this.

[Turborama]

27. Gallup may have made a nonsense of this poll but USA Today didn't

& it was a USA Today/Gallup poll, just sayin'...

Poll: Most want inquiry into anti-terror tactics

By Jill Lawrence, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — Even as Americans struggle with two wars and an economy in tatters, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds majorities in favor of investigating some of the thorniest unfinished business from the Bush administration: Whether its tactics in the "war on terror" broke the law.

Close to two-thirds of those surveyed said there should be investigations into allegations that the Bush team used torture to interrogate terrorism suspects and its program of wiretapping U.S. citizens without getting warrants. Almost four in 10 favor criminal investigations and about a quarter want investigations without criminal charges. One-third said they want nothing to be done.

CALLS TO MOVE ON: Even reversed, Bush policies divide

Even more people want action on alleged attempts by the Bush team to use the Justice Department for political purposes. Four in 10 favored a criminal probe, three in 10 an independent panel, and 25% neither.

The ACLU and other groups are pressing for inquiries into whether the Bush administration violated U.S. and international bans on torture and the constitutional right to privacy. House Judiciary Chairman John Conyers and his Senate counterpart, Patrick Leahy, have proposed commissions to investigate.

Continued: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-02-11-investigation-poll_N.htm



(edit to say "rec #21" & that this discussion needs to be continued until they are convicted and sent to the newly vacated Guantanamo Bay resort ....)

[elleng]

28. What's the media get to say about it?

One Person, One Vote.

[trthnd4jstc]

29. Bush and Cheney need to be charged and prosecuted for breaking many laws.

Fort Leavenworth!

[Historic NY]

30. Who TF are the media?

[Seldona]

31. The media says no?

Of course they do. He couldn't have done it without them.

[Diclotican]

32. ihavenobias

ihavenobias

If not the US want to investigate the full extent of the Bush crimes - the rest of the world should give a voice to everyone who have been misused by this administration - and demand that US indeed investigate in full what have happened - and if it have been criminal doing - then prosecute to the full extent of the LAW all the alleged criminals

It would be far more criminal to let this bandits, thief's and criminals (my belief) get free, because it would be to painfully for the american public to know the TRUTH of what have happening the last 8 year... It will be more painfully for the american public, if most international country just don't want to be there anymore for you, and just go away when you ask for help, and friendship.. That will hurt far more.. I for one doubt that the american public are so coward that they do not can take the fact about the last 8 year, and then rebuild your republic to new highest.. I doubt that the american public at large, is so fragile that they can't take the truth about how the neo-con's criminality, and that even AMERICA the BRAVE can be war criminals.. Because that is was US are today, war criminals.. And you, americans have to get this stain on you, made clean again.. We on the outside of things, can't do a thing, if you do not want to do the right.. And then some more..

And if USA was to abandon every single respect for international law they might have had once in the times - when they was afraid that Soviet could get many americans in prison - then we do have ICC, who supported by most country in the world, can put many of the accused in cort, if they EVER was to leave USA for some trip... US is big, but the world are larger, and if the Israeli managed to get Eichmann out of Argentina.. I would guess some of the former cabinet members would be possible to arrest - and send to ICC. regardless of what might USA want to say.. If it means that the Dutch have to fight of US marines - as mr Bush threatened to do if ICC ever arrested americans soldiers who was accused of criminality then I would guss the Dutch would get help from many others... And that in the end would be the end of NATO as we see it today... The US Marines might have good experience of waging war - but the dutch are darn good them too. And most european country today have a pretty good special forces too, even that they might not have as many as US..

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english, not my native language.

[navarth]

33. We just have to support DU, TYT, DemocracyNow, Thom Hartmann, etc

Keep pushing the truth!!

K & R

[defendandprotect]

34. If we're going to have pics of ugly Repugs on DU, could we have a line thru them please?

[jwirr]

35. One of the biggest reasons MSM do not want us to investigate *ss

and co. is because they would be shown up for what they are. Idiots who followed him right off the cliff without a whimper. They are as guilty as he is.

[Titonwan]

36. I think the problem we have here

is that we SHOULD be watching the news for a laughs and watch comedy to get the truth. They are BANKING on us to lose interest in this... like we can forget the last eight years of El Smirko running roughshod over our freedom and killing my troops and enriching the already obscenely wealthy. I DON'T THINK SO. Please contact your people and let's keep this in traction! The fanged ones are already trying to shift the blame of the economy onto Barack. You don't think investigations won't muddle their plans? It serves two purposes, you see. It rectifies the crimes done by our illegal last President and it weakens the rethugs who think he's going to get away with it. Dash the arrogance of Junior and Gang and his followers will lose their self righteousness. Let's DO it, people!

[Ecumenist]

37. F&ck the media...They're the ones that enabled the moronic

son of a bitch.

[autorank]

39. They have to say that (k*r)

They were in on the scam.

How could a made member of the crime family investigate the crimes?

[aikanae]

40. Didn't Obama learn from Clinton?

Clinton covered Bush Sr. and Reagan's a** for bipartisan support (whatever that is) and we know the result. I expected this from the media. It's Obama and Dems I have a hard time with.

Without an investigation there's no national consensus and the divide in the US over policy gets stronger. The number one question: If they've done anything wrong, why don't people go after them (meaning I'm talking out my hat). GRRRR.

No one in the world can believe Obama is serious about change with these moral questions looming. It looks as if he's supporting dual systems of justice and approves everything Bush and Cheney have done.

[Enthusiast]

41. I think it is clear that we, the citizens,

are not partial all the ramifications, if Bush were to be investigated. For example, maybe it would reveal things very embarrassing to country as a whole. I suspect it would. That said, imho, an investigation would be the thing to do, warts and all.

[lonestarnot]

42. ick, I never wanted to again see that fucking face.

[KansDem]

43. The media is complicit in Chimpie's crimes...

To investigate him would require investigating the "Whoreth Estate."