Video of police assault on Ian Tomlinson, who died during G20 protest in London

[Turborama]

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Footage shows G20 death man push: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3820534

Criminal case call over G20 death: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3821095

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

1. I had the displeasure of meeting a couple of London's finest.

I was waiting outside of the Rainbow theater for a friend to show up, minding my own own business, harming no one, when two thuggish looking types walked up and started asking me questions as to what I was doing. I though I was about to be done by two east end wide boys. That's what they looked and acted like. Finally one of them identified themselves as Old Bill. I asked for their ID. They immediately expressed disappointment that I was a septic. Then they asked for mine. At that time, one did not need to carry and produce ID on demand in GB. Their faces fell when I reminded them of that.

I must say, if those two were indicative of the state of the Metropolitan Police of London, then the above comes as no surprise.

[sasquatch]

2. Looks like manslaughter

[Divine Discontent]

3. for him, that man needs to be in prison - someone get him justice

that man who died deserves justice!

[B Whale]

4. The MET police have always been thugs. However they

also have an exceptionally slick PR machine so cue lies, spin, evasion and smearing tactics as they wriggle out of it.

If you remember when they shot dead Jon charles de menezes dead the CCTV footage mysteriously all went missing.

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[sam sarrha]

6. the way he is walking indicates a serious medical problem in older people..

[Turborama]

9. He was 47

and he apparently died of a heart attack on his way home from work.

I know it's not proof of anything but he doesn't look morbidly obese in this picture taken shortly before he passed away...

[sam sarrha]

12. he was murdered, he was deliberately struck in a manner to make him fall hard.. he had his hands in

his pockets, look and see how hard he hit on his chest.. did they then jump on him after knocking the wind out of him. ..causing asphyxia overloading a perhaps damaged heart.. a fall like that can tear the aorta

[TheBigotBasher]

7. Too many in the Met are criminals

There will be another De Menzies style whitewash.

I'm glad Boris got rid of the other Bliar.

[no limit]

8. Scary to think a fall like that will kill you.

[swishyfeet]

10. If he died of a heart attack

It's sad, but I don't think the police should be charged with more than improper conduct (or whatever you call it). Pushing a person down whose hands are in their pockets is thuggish, but it may be a stretch to connect it with someone's heart failure. Don't get me wrong, I loathe the sight of riot police with their dogs and batons like everyone else, but if his ticker is weak the police didn't make it so.

A lack of blood supply to his heart would more likely be the cause.

[Turborama]

11. Have another look at the video, he was whacked on the back of his left leg with a baton

It's being reported all over the main news sites that he was only 'pushed'. However, as they point out in the video, prior to being pushed he was hit on the back of his left leg with a baton. This could have led to a fatal deep vein thrombosis...

What are the causes of deep vein thrombosis?

Blood is meant to flow; if it becomes stagnant there is a potential for it to clot. The blood in veins is constantly forming microscopic clots that are routinely broken down by the body. If the balance of clot formation and resolution is altered, significant clotting can occur. A thrombus can form if one, or a combination of the following situations is present:

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Trauma to the vein

Fracture to the leg

Bruised leg

Complication of an invasive procedure of the vein

More details: http://www.medicinenet.com/deep_vein_thrombosis/article.htm

This could have led to a http://www.medicinenet.com/pulmonary_embolism/page2.htm#tocc">pulmonary embolism

However, we won't know until they've carried out the second post mortem that's going to be carried out, as mentioned here:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6060976.ece

There's also this to consider:

Officer could face manslaughter charge

Former deputy assistant commissioner calls for independent inquiry into death of newspaper vendor after police attack

Guardian

Vikram Dodd
April 2009 13.31 BST

Brian Paddick, a former top Scotland Yard officer, today demanded that police should be removed from investigating the death of Ian Tomlinson at last week's G20 protests, and said any officer who struck the innocent passerby could face a manslaughter charge.

But video footage obtained by The Guardian of the minutes before Tomlinson's death clearly shows officers from the City of London force in close proximity to the newspaper seller when he was struck. Paddick, a former deputy assistant commissioner of the Metropolitan police, said these officers from the City of London force would be key witnesses in the investigation.

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Paddick told the Guardian: "How can the City of London do the investigation independently? I'm sorry but there are three City of London officers in that video, how can they do the investigation? It certainly needs to be a full-blown criminal investigation ... whether there is a provable link between the death and assault, because an assault is a criminal offence. Police are allowed to use force, provided it is justified."

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Paddick refused to comment on whether the police actions in the video were justified, but said the officer seen striking Tomlinson could potentially face a charge of manslaughter, for which the maximum penalty is life imprisonment: "If it is held that there is a link between the violence he was inflicting and the heart attack , that then is an assault, resulting in death, albeit unintended. If a court held it is an assault, it is an unlawful action resulting in manslaughter."

Full article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/08/tomlinson-g20-protests