Former Abu Ghraib General Karpinski on Countdown

[ColbertWatcher]

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[eleny]

1. K&R - a must see

She's a hero and I can hardly wait until she speaks under oath some day soon.

[Gregorian]

2. While seeing her, I recalled Wesley Clark using the term "stovepipe".

Now it is finally being revealed. Rachel Maddow is discussing the newly released memo that shows that torture was happening on multiple levels. It was a program. It went from Washington, to the outskirts of government. It started at the top.

[ColbertWatcher]

3. Yes. I wonder what FOX is talking about tonight?

Not really, but it would be nice if they mentioned it to their followers.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

4. If the grunts are doing time

for following orders, then the ones who made the orders should do HARD TIME.

[shadowknows69]

44. And if the CIA gets a pass then they should be freed.

I don't like it but in this current mess it would be justice, or at least balance.

[L. Coyote]

56. No one is getting a pass at this point!

At least not yet. There has been some very clever lawyering in statements so far, and basically there will be little cover under those statements. We need to see more of what remains secret to judge the real implications of the statements to date by the new, elected Executive Branch.

[mopinko]

5. and so the msm tells the truth that we have known for years, now.

still trying to figure out how and why that is. not.

[wcast]

6. Why didn't these heroes??!!

Karpinsky makes a great point. She said, and I'm paraphrasing, "Where were these heroes (Rumsfeld and Cheney) 5 years ago when these soldiers were arrested. Why didn't they stand up and say the only did what was ordered." Or, in other words, why didn't they man up and take responsibility.

[MadMaddie]

10. Ah you mentiioned "Responsibility"

And those folks that you mentioned don't believe in accepting responsibility for their actions.

Welcome to DU!:hi:

[ColbertWatcher]

11. Welcome to DU! Good observation.

I think that was my favorite part of the video.

She got demoted, people under her command were jailed and their lives ruined.

Yet, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Adington, Yoo et al are still free.

[Lerkfish]

54. they are genetically incapable of "manning up". They have to "alien lizard up"

no offense to any fine upstanding alien lizards.

[tclambert]

70. Offensssse taken. Why izzz it you think we ekzzziled them?

Even by ekssstraterressstrial lizzzard ssstandardsss, thezzze guyzzz are consssidered evil. And that Cheney izzz ssso ssslimy! Ick.

[HughMoran]

7. Please K&R this

This is it - the blowing off of the lid.

[Xipe Totec]

8. Dick, if you want your balls back, talk to the General. n/t

[ColbertWatcher]

14. LOL!

Technically, Dr. Colbert says lady balls are called Thatchers.

[Xipe Totec]

17. ROFL!

:rofl:

but in this case, I meant HIS balls, not hers.

:evilgrin:

[ColbertWatcher]

19. I seriously doubt he ever had any to begin with.

He couldn't even stand up for his own damn kid.

[Xipe Totec]

20. Well, he did stand up once

that's how he got the kid...

So he could get his 4th draft deferment.

[ColbertWatcher]

23. Pfft. If the GOPers can question Obama's birth certificate ...

... I can question Cheney's paternity.

[Xipe Totec]

25. You got me there

God knows who's used condom he picked up from the sewer.

[ColbertWatcher]

26. o_0

:puke:

[Dollface]

42. Those are British lady balls. Apparently US American lady balls are Karpinskis. Man is she pissed.

She is also retired which means she can say what's on her mind.

[Parker CA]

9. K&R

[Berry Cool]

12. K&R

A must-watch for all!!!!!

[lib2DaBone]

13. You can see her frustration and disbelief...that the system under Bush is so screwed

..and now.. the Main Stream Media will label her as a "dissenter".

You can not get much better inside information from the top of the Military structure than what she is giving to the public.

[malaise]

15. Must see indeed

K & R

[BelgianMadCow]

16. INDEPENDENT COUNSEL - tribune of the willing - how apt

hell yeah

[ihavenobias]

18. K & R n/t

[G_j]

21. K&R

[Kaleko]

22. We're watching the conrolled demolition of the PNAC gang.

Epic. Better than any thriller I've ever seen.

[ColbertWatcher]

24. Well said. I would buy the t-shirt. n/t

[Stuart G]

27. Please watch this video...Unbelieveable coming from the General

who ran the prison...K and R

[unapatriciated]

28. K&R

indeed where were those "hero's" five years ago?
Hiding in Cheney's dungeon.

[zoff]

39. sidebar please ...

... what is that picture about? is it related to the post or just a personal pic?

[unapatriciated]

51. personal

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=7794638

[DCKit]

29. K&R for the end of a cover-up. We should all be this pissed. n/t

[wundermaus]

30. Now that is one fearless Patriot!

You can tell by the look in her eyes and the timbre of her voice - For her, the warrior has only just begun to fight!

[jeff30997]

31. K&R

The dam is about to burst and the Neoclowns are running out of fingers

to jam into all those new leaky holes that are opening up each days.

As more peoples come forward more will follow their example.

This is one domino effect theory that I can believe in.

[tomm2thumbs]

32. Cheney next to this woman is a lump of organic mush - his 'legacy' is mud

Bush and Cheney, at this point already, have lost EVERYTHING their administration was hoping to claim as 'history will judge us' because frankly, it did not take very long for history to catch up to them.

[LittleGirl]

33. My only access to MSNBC is on-line

Thank you for posting.

[Divine Discontent]

34. wow... very powerful. momma was right about this interview! KICKin IT! eom

www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable

[Sunnyshine]

35. "There's a direct line from these memorandums, the policies and the permissions and the directives"

There it is in all it's glory. Thank You for speaking truth to power Janis Karpinski!

[Grinchie]

36. Mr. Vice President, Where were you Five Years ago defending the Bad Apples?

That statemtent alone congeals the irony of letting the Grunts rot while Cheney hit behind their sacrifice.

It's enough to make one want to vomit whenever Cheney or Bush are within 300 yards.

Good for you Karpinski.

[Ganja Ninja]

37. She ripped the whole cabal a new one.

This issue isn't going to go away the way Cheney and the gang hope. Some more bad apples are going to go to jail before this is over.

[indimuse]

38. about time!

:kick:NR!

[90-percent]

40. Gen. Karpinski

Wow! That was moving. The tone of her voice and her delivery is as powerful as her message.

And it's about time!

I have a bumper sticker on my pick up truck. Many, actually, but this one says:

BUSH APPROVED THE TORTURE

It's five years old and faded to the point of being hard to read. So I've been spreading this message on the road for five years and it's nice that the MSM has finally discovered what all of us in the DU community knew all this time.

We knew these days would be coming. There is so much more that needs to be done. Now is not the time to let up the pressure, gang! We the people can make these bastards pay for wrecking both our country and especially what our country stands for.

-90% jimmy

[dixiegrrrrl]

41. If you saw The Reader....

Uncanny similarity of the image of Karpinski and the image of Hannah Schmidt,
with 2 totally opposite perceptions of war crimes.
Both are exceedingly chilling.

[syrius]

43. Honest, dramatic, testimony...Thank you!

General Karpinski is part of the Katrina shit storm that's about to hit Bush & Co. Keep up the heat everyone. Obama needs to hear our voices. Thank you Keith for reporting on this subject!

[closeupready]

45. K&R

n/t

[flyarm]

46. Thank you General Karpinski..independent inquiry with all nations involved

to be at the table!!

The table nancy Pelosi has refused to set! Or seat anyone at!
Maybe if nancy got off her golf cart in her kitchen she would see that the table is set ..and now she needs to seat people at it! Pronto!

Thank you sincerely General Karpinski, your honesty is more than anyone can say of those in our congress!! On both sides of the isle!

[wryter2000]

47. Independent and international investigation

I originally wanted Congress to investigate the hell out of this, but I'm becoming more and more convinced that would be a mistake. If it's done in Congress, the idiot repukes will make it political. They'll have a forum for yelling, "You're criminalizing a policy dispute!" "This is just revenge against the previous administration!" or maybe worse "We needed to torture. 9-11, 9-11, 9-11!"

I think we need a mini-Nuremburg. Somewhere in the land, there must be 5 or 6 honest Republicans and conservatives who hate torture and war crimes. Maybe some judges or prosecutors like the ones Rove/Bush fired for having integrity. I hadn't even thought about the international aspect of this until I watched this video.

As much as I love some of our Congressional dems, imho, this is not a job for Congress.

[L0oniX]

48. Torturing to get a connection between 911 and Sadam ...fixing the facts.

It failed ...you fucking jack asses. It's time to throw these criminals in prison like any other decent country would do. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz need to be the first ones tossed in prison.

[SlingBlade]

49. Repete this over and over and over and ....... K&R

[Mulehead]

50. I bet Charles Graner

Would welcome having Dick or Don or Fredo for a celly for a few days before he is pardoned.

[polichick]

52. She was wonderful...

:patriot:

[redqueen]

53. K&R ... and pass it on.

[L. Coyote]

59. #70 ....

[Lerkfish]

55. I really, really hate to say this, but

she should not schedule any flights on small aircraft.

[L. Coyote]

57. She should worry about visiting other nations who will prosecute her.

[L. Coyote]

58. Can we trust a "Shoplifter" who was demoted by Bush?

Researching who we are listening to here, so Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janis_Karpinski

"On April 8, 2005 Karpinski was formally relieved of command of the 800th Military Police Brigade. On May 5, 2005, President Bush approved Karpinski's demotion to colonel from the rank of brigadier general. Her demotion was not officially related to the abuse at Abu Ghraib prison. The allegations against her were for dereliction of duty, making a material misrepresentation to investigators, failure to obey a lawful order and shoplifting. Military sources alleged that Karpinski had been arrested in 2002 on MacDill Air Force Base for stealing cosmetics, but Karpinski has denied the arrest took place."

# ^ FOXNews.com - Ex-Abu Ghraib General Denies Shoplifting
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,156434,00.html

# ^ Shoplifting Charge Dogs Iraq Gen., Military
Sources: Gen. Karpinski Caught Stealing Perfume In 2002 - CBS News
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/02/eveningnews/main620801.shtml

MORE LINKS there (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janis_Karpinski):
# Were Abu Ghraib abuses learned from Israel?, San Francisco Gate
# Signal Newspapers interview with Karpinski
# Karpinski speech at CCC
# Frontline interview
# Democracy Now! Interview (October 26, 2005)
# "Treat Them Like Dogs" part one and *part two, transcripts of the October 26, 2005, Democracy Now interview.
# Audio files of Diane Rehm Show hour-long interview, Nov. 8, 2005
# Dateline interview Transcript of the March 8, 2006, Dateline programme, SBS Australia.

[bluetexas]

62. Yes

Sorry, but Karpinski has more credibility than Bush and his administration, shoplifting or not.

[nichomachus]

66. Truth be told

a urinal brush with no bristles and a broken handle has more credibility than Bush, Cheney, Limbaugh, Joe the Plumber, and all the other leaders of the Republican Party put together.

[L. Coyote]

67. Welcome to DU.

Some of us are too terse (after 23,000 posts, LOL) to do the :sarcasm: thingie.

Some things on DU we all know. See above response.

On edit: One hanging insinuation in my post is that she was set up and demoted because of her position. My point in putting this in the mix was to point to yet a further ramification, that she was possibly punished by Bush/Cheney as part of the torture cover-up.

The list of crimes may still be beyond our reasonable ability to forsee, since we are not the perps!

[winyanstaz]

60. You go Lady!!

At least we have one commander willing to speak up for the troops. Someone give this Lady a promotion now!

[bertman]

61. Thank you, General, for telling it like it is!! She makes me proud to be an American.

[Stinger2]

63. Enemy Combatants that are Tortured opens another can of worms.

Who, or how many people were transported to other countries using the term “Enemy Combatants” then tortured? I have heard as many as 32 people have died as result to torture. Some Enemy Combatants would be on record but if know one asks it will never come to light how many.

[Seldona]

64. It won't be hard to track down the veracity of her statements.

If that is done, this leads from the soldier on the ground, to their general, right into the White House.

It is getting harder and harder to believe we can even look forward until justice is served for our very recent past. It's not like this happened hundreds of years ago. Not even decades.

*sigh

[pacalo]

65. I watched Countdown twice last night to see this interview. K&R!

[The_Commonist]

68. Wow... She's pissed!

And rightly so...

[Fendius]

69. 5:33 "easy excuse"

Add it up people...

[stlsaxman]

71. wow wow wow yippee-o yippee-ay!

wow wow yippee-o yippee-ay!

[Quantess]

72. Another kick

for anyone who missed it.