GWB: 'War Criminals Will Be Punished & It Will Be NO Defense To Say "I Was Just Following Orders"'

[kpete]

Run time: 00:37 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyzty-UN3Yg   Posted on YouTube: April 28, 2009 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: April 28, 2009 By DU Member: kpete Views on DU: 7452

 
"War crimes will be prosecuted, war criminals will be punished and it will be no defense to say,
“I was just following orders.”


UPDATED To include:
Just before launching his invasion of Iraq, President Bush went on national television to issue an ultimatum to Saddam Hussein, urging him to leave his country within 48 hours. Bush also had (the above) message for “all Iraqi military and civilian personnel”:

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/28/bush-torture-flashback/

[erebusman]

1. someone should show pelosi, reed & obama this vid. thanks

k&r

[jimshoes]

2. We can only hope

eh mister ex-decider.

[Towlie]

3. Great idea to post that video! - Better than my version yesterday.

I http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8374150&mesg_id=8374188">posted the text yesterday, but that video is an improvement. It drives home the Bush hypocrisy even better.

[tomm2thumbs]

4. 'there goes my whole plan to defend myself' says everyone under Cheney

oops

[Piewhacket]

5. Outstanding! What was the date on this clip?

[EOTE]

7. I believe this was at the dawn of the Iraq war.

So, I guess March of '03 or sometime there abouts.

[jhrobbins]

42. man, that sends chills to be reminded how long this war has gone on.

it's so weird to think it has been longer than WWI or WWII.

[BlooInBloo]

6. This coffin is getting mighty full of nails.

[oedura]

14. But so far...

...not even one GOP war criminal/traitor/propagandist.

[valerief]

30. Right. It's a pretty tight club down there in DC, huh? nt

[DeSwiss]

8. K&R

[chill_wind]

9. Oh the irony. NeoCon journalists should be forced to watch that

about fifty times between now and tomorrow morning's next torture-defense screed.

K & R.

[beac]

10. Ah yes, in Bushco World, OTHER countries' "war criminals" will be punished

and OURS will be lauded for "keeping us safe." :puke:






(edited for typo)

[LooseWilly]

31. Ironically, that's pretty much the excuse he gave

... for not signing on to the World Court.

The hypocrisy is hard to look at directly, like staring at the sun...

[L0oniX]

11. What a pathetic asscarrot!

[ihavenobias]

12. K & R n/t

[Wizard777]

13. Even if we only prosecute Bush for violations of Bush's own standards. He's STILL gonna hang.

[NewJeffCT]

15. well, if it's ordered by a Republican, it means it's not a war crime

didn't you know that?

:sarcasm:

[Divine Discontent]

16. screw this socialist dictator - he's anti-american!!

oh wait, you mean, this isn't the socialist dictator running the country into the ground? Oh, it's the GOP president that was in office (somehow) for 8 years before the Democrat won?

Well, this comment of his can't be taken too seriously, he was after all, speaking in the height of war, and mistakes are made in the height of war!

:sarcasm:


This should go viral!!!

[butterfly77]

22. There should be more where that came from ...

and plenty of Cheney,wolfowitz,rumsfeld,and many more..

[pleah]

17. From the lips of the war-mongering bastard himself!

K&R

[ellenfl]

18. k&r eom

[Politicalboi]

19. If only he meant it for all people

Between this video and the one where Bush says he saw the first plane hit live that morning of 9/11 would do Americans some good to see what he really was and is.


http://www.jabberwonk.com/flinker.cfm?cliid=1c5kyg

[Initech]

20. GOP = party of hypocrites and assholes.

[butterfly77]

21. Kick &Recommended!

[Rebubula]

23. Cue Nelson....

...HAW, HAW

[stlsaxman]

34. ... and here he is-

[Bluenorthwest]

24. Too bad

we now take that very defense, in fact we award it unasked to criminals uninvestigated.

[lsewpershad]

25. Good

So now he can be tried as a war criminal for attacking a country that did not attcak us and for the resulting massacre of hundreds of thouusands of innocent Iraqis.

[Ticonderoga]

26. Oh Man, somebody with the skills

get this video to Keith and Rachel A.S.A.P

[Hubert Flottz]

27. Do you mean Bush wasn't going to look forward instead of

back at the past, after the war?

[NM Independent]

28. In-fucking-deed n/t

[ashling]

29. Have Keith and Rachel got this?

They need to play that last part every night.

[burning rain]

32. Yebbut...

When Americans do it -- at least under a Republican president -- that means it's not a war crime. Get with the program! :sarcasm:

[santamargarita]

33. I wonder if Bush ever believes anything he says? I don't

:puke:

[stlsaxman]

35. "...and all Iraqi military and civilian personell should listen carefully to this warning...

WE commit the war crimes and torture- got it?!?!?!?"

you know he wasn't addressing Americans here, don't you?

[kevsters]

36. Progressives need to work on framing arguments.

I'm tired of Republicans being able to turn every bloody issue into a winner.

The Dems need to put George Lakoff on their payroll. The article below sums it up pretty nicely.

http://progressnotcongress.org/blog/?p=517

[unpossibles]

40. sadly, it doesn't work as well against most of the ones I argue with

And I do try to reframe and use analogies, and the things mentioned in that article. The right seems impervious to facts or emotions. In fact, I had one guy say it was acceptable (if torture lead to the deaths of soldiers) because it would save so many citizens. Face, meet desk.

Another way to reframe is to ask them if they would find the same actions acceptable if done by Clinton or Obama.

[northofdenali]

37. K&R, forwarded to my "A" list (everybody)

and to WhiteHouse.gov.

[RedCappedBandit]

38. uh, isnt he one of them

[winyanstaz]

39. K & R..

quick!! Someone send this to Obama and Holder NOW!! :P

[Baby Snooks]

41. Doesn't matter what Bush said yesterday...

Doesn't matter what Bush said yesterday - what matters is what Obama says today.

[Wizard777]

43. Right now Bush has the better record on prosecuting Torture and War Crimes.

:wow: as you may. But it's true.

[Seldona]

44. K&R

Those damn internets!

[ThisThreadIsSatire]

45. Yeah, but when he said this,

he was just following Cheney's orders...

[Amonester]

46. yes, but he also wanted to avenge his...

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/14/bush-saddam-dad/

The Senate and The House Leadership were meeting with President Bush for a weekly breakfast back then, and as our country was leading up to the Iraq war. ... Bush got to talking about why we needed this war, and here's what he said to Senator Daschle "We need to get Saddam Hussein...that Mother _______ tried to take out my Dad."

that's one of the big reasons why so many innocents (poorer than poor...) got murdered and tortured (and/or the other way around)...

plus the oil (80% of it)
plus chainy's buddies on helliburton's board's bonusses
plus all their lies

Nuremberg 'em.

[Piewhacket]

47. kick

[earcandle]

48. When, where, to what audience was this released?

He said we weren't to use weapons against the Iraqi people. 

Aren't "insurgents" people who stand up when they
are invaded?

Weren't we killing Iraqi's?

Someone help me out with this cognitive dissonance!

[zbdent]

49. For quite some time, I've been pointing out that Bush had thrown the U.S. soldiers

under the bus with this statement ... why shouldn't he be held to the standard he demanded?

(Just like a Repuke ... would not be held to the standards he demanded ...)

[mod mom]

50. This should be a move-on ad.

[MelissaB]

51. That's a great idea.

[dccrossman]

52. As a follow-up, watch Stewart's interview with Cliff May

You need to watch this.

Cliff May is President of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, a right-leaning group that feels that the released memos are not torture memos. That the water-boarding that took place was not torture.

Jon Stewart is, well, Jon Stewart, and speaks for all of us to some degree.

Except...
Except for rejecting prosecuting the interrogators and the attorneys. Like it or not, "I was following orders" or "I was following legal advice that told me it wasn't torture" just aren't good enough. And, there's plenty of evidence that interrogators went way beyond the memos, in any case.

I wonder if 'W' still feels that way, or will when it becomes even more obvious that Rumsfeld and Cheney were directly responsible for torture.


http://blog.indecisionforever.com/2009/04/29/jon-stewarts-extended-interview-with-cliff-may

[Danascot]

53. I emailed this to Keith, Rachel and Chris yesterday

saying it came from their loyal viewers on Democratic Underground. I was delighted to see Keith featured it prominently early in his show last night. He didn't credit DU but I'm sure that was just an oversight. :wink:

:grouphug: :patriot: