Carrying a Gun and a Baby

[Joanne98]

Run time: 09:47 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJriDAhIIQs   Posted on YouTube: June 19, 2009 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: June 20, 2009 By DU Member: Joanne98 Views on DU: 2002

 

I'm speechless.

[lame54]

1. "Next we'll go over...

distinguishing the difference between your formula bottle and your molotov cocktail."

[mzteris]

2. Paranoid much?

WTF does this woman live that she has to "carry"? what a f'ing idiot.

though now I bet she's the pinup girl of the gun-nut set. .ugh - I wonder if she likes to think of all those sick rwnuts getting off on her video.... :puke:

[paulsby]

18. the "need" canard

one of the holy trio of illogical anti-gun arguments.

it goes essentially like this. why does person X "NEED" to carry?

people aren't required to justify their exercise of their civil rights via a "need". that goes for speech, protection against unreasonable search and seizures, right to remain silent, right to an attorney, etc.

[mzteris]

25. canard?

No - common f'ing sense.

So if someone WANTS to carry a handgrenade around, they should be able to?

[paulsby]

26. that's not what i said

read it again.

the NEED canard is the illogical response by anti-gunners in many threads.

in it, they question somebody who carries or supports right to carry with the question, "why do you/they NEED to carry a gun"?

this is often mixed with another of my favorites, the "fear" canard. "it must be because you are afraid/paranoid" etc.

carrying a gun is a civil right, recognized by the 2nd amendment to the constitution

as a civil rights advocate, i will not address the canard. iow, the idea that somebody NEEDS to explain why they are carrying is ridiculous.

we don't question other people's civil rights by questioning their NEED to exercise them.

why do you NEED an abortion?
why do you NEED the right to speak freely?
why do you NEED to be free from unreasonable searches and seizure... after all if you aren't guilty, you have nothing to hide.
why do you NEED the right to an attorney?
why do you NEED the right to remain silent. citizens of countries like UK have no such right. their silence can be used against them, when questioned. why do you NEED that right?

etc.

hth

[X_Digger]

3. Ehn

Not sure what the fuss is about. Concealed carriers have to modify many of their behaviors and routines when carrying. Hugging someone when carrying is different (especially if they are wearing a shoulder holster), as is reaching to put something on a high shelf (important for small of back and inside waistband carriers.)

[Joanne98]

4. Where's the explanation? I want reasons. And NO "crime" won't cut it.

[X_Digger]

7. Why not?

Pharmacist defending his employees and customers will not be charged after shooting robber
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/Attempted_pharmacy_robbery_turns_deadly.html

Please elucidate why it is that you think that protecting oneself isn't justification for being armed.

[aikoaiko]

15. Self-defense is the best reason possible for CCW.

IMHO

[JMizzo]

5. What a crazy psycho

I cant believe that its even legal to carry a fire arm when you are carrying a child. That seems insane. So your carrying a baby and see a robbery, then what? Pull the gun and put your child in danger?

[X_Digger]

8. How about woman carrying child is robbed? or carjacked?

Would criminals avoid someone carrying a baby? Then it should be mandatory to carry a baby!!

Oh wait..
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-8221085.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,422641,00.html
http://en.newspeg.com/-Carjacked-Baby-Found-Safe-4055805.html

[aikoaiko]

11. welcome to DU

:hi:

Generally, carrying a concealed weapon is about protecting yourself from a harmdoer and not about getting involved in stopping other criminal activity.

Carrying a baby is a particular vulnerable time for parents. Carrying a concealed weapon is a reasonable measure that could help.

[paulsby]

19. assumes ...

that guns are only used to protect against attacks on others, such as the robbery case above.

when in fact, defensive CCW uses are most often protecting one's SELF. in the case of one carrying a baby, it would be usually in defense of the two of you.

but again, you make a false assumption about why she is carrying, which negates your argument right there.

and yes, it's legal.

[baldguy]

6. The most important part is keeping our kids safe.

Next up - welding with a baby!

[aikoaiko]

9. This video is great fodder for the fear and loathing anti-ccw crowd.

Here we have a woman trying to give her opinion on best practices for carrying a concealed weapon while carrying a baby. As Martha would say, "its a good thing".

My wife had reason to draw a .357 revolver while carrying our baby. The only thing I advised additionally was to turn the babies head so that one was against her chest and she cover his other ear with her hand to protect his hearing. That's only ok if the shooter is proficient with a one handed shot. Otherwise two hands is better.

You could live in a pristine gated community, in a criminally active neighborhood, or just walking along in the park or downtown, but you are still the first defense against someone who means you or your baby harm.

[Pharaoh]

10. Did I miss something?

are we living in the wild west of 200 years ago?

[baldguy]

12. The NRA & GOP what you to believe that.

Remember, the govt can do nothing for you - at all, at any level - not even keep murderous subhuman maniacs from killing you (AND YOUR BABY!)

[aikoaiko]

16. Its not that the government or police can do "nothing" for you, but in a criminally

dynamic situation, the police are minutes away (sometimes many minutes) when seconds count.

Good government responses to crime as well as empowering civilians to protext themselves are complimentary efforts.

[paulsby]

29. as a police officer myself,

i heartily agree.

i have had numerous contact with CCW'ers, as i live in a right to carry state. I fully support right to carry, both from a constitutional basis, and a policy basis. they are amongst the most law abiding demographics there is.

[proud2BlibKansan]

32. And when their guns are stolen . . .

But you gun proponents never mention that scenario, which is far more likely than you admit.

[paulsby]

36. i'm not a gun proponent

i am a gun rights proponent

just like i'm not an abortion proponent

i support choice to have one

i also support choice to own/carry a gun.

blaming a gun owner for having theirh gun stolen is like blaming a woman for getting raped.

neither asked for it.

[paulsby]

21. they can do plenty to help you

but response time isn't instantaneous , assuming you can get to a phone.

the primary agent for defense of a person, is themselves. that's part of being a free citizen.

i'm a cop. sometimes it takes me 5,10 minutes (rarely more) to get to a "hot call".

we can't be everywhere, nor are we constitutionally required to protect INDIVIDUALS (See: case law). we often do, but the primary line of defense for anybody is their own prepearedness

[aikoaiko]

13. No, not the wild west, modern US were most states restrict CCW to those who pass security checks,

written tests, and/or proficiency in shooting tests.

Its not the west or south, its almost everywhere:

[X_Digger]

14. You might have missed the rise of CCW..

37 states have 'shall issue' concealed carry licensing, 9 states have 'may issue' licensing, and 2 states require no license at all.

eta: removed image- I noticed I wasn't the first to post the CCW map.

[paulsby]

20. the "wild west canard"

another famous one. famously used by HCI to protest florida proposing to allow concealed carry. they claimed it would become the "wild west" and people would shoot each other routinely over traffic disagreements, etc.

crime in fact went DOWN after passage, to include violent crime, and criminal misuse of CCW's was extremely rare.

this illogical argument also assumes the HOLLYWOOD CREATION of the "wild west" is an accurate portrayal. it's not.

the reality of the so called wild west was very different than the hollywood portrayal where it's a shootout every day on dust covered streets

[PerpetuallyDazed]

31. Isn't it already "wild west" over there with gang violence though? n/t

[paulsby]

37. over where? nt

[Tommy_Carcetti]

17. When I first saw it, I thought it was a video off The Onion

I'm sorry, stuff like this just creeps me out.

[RC]

22. Self fulfilling prophecy of the terminally paranoid.

Diddling of the symptoms by feeding the root cause of the problem.
If you feel that unsafe, get a body guard. Then you can look after the kid(s) during the situation while the body guard does his/her job, undistracted by attached babies and such.

[winyanstaz]

23. You will see a darn good reason for a mom to be armed...

if you google the front page of the Everett Herald, WA state on Sunday, June 14, 2009.
The woman and men in the article were identified by a mom who was also shot by them...after they murdered her daughter(9) and her husband in a home robbery for possible drugs and money.
The mom was able to return fire and wounded one of her assailants and ran the others off. Too bad Dad wasn't also armed or a 9 year old little girl would still be alive.
These are dangerous times and it is going to get a lot more dangerous. Wake up.
And if you are so into not having a gun...good..give yours up and be sure to post your name and address so all the criminals will know who is unarmed. Go ahead..we will watch and see how it goes.
But in the meantime..keep your treasonious paws OFF the Constitution.

[JayMusgrove]

24. And this person has 4326 subscribers on Youtube.

People who think like she does.

I'm sure there's millions more.

[Joanne98]

28. She does? Wow.

[Fredfon]

27. I feel sorry for her.

Must be a sad existence to go through life constantly afraid and paranoid.

[JayMusgrove]

30. A common experience of rich people. Republicans, and Libertarians

I have a feeling she's not that poor, doing professionally produced videos that talk about a threat to herself and her child.

I'm willing to bet she supports Palin as her hero.

[proud2BlibKansan]

33. Completely insane

I can't help but think of the millions of moms who carry babies every day without also carrying a gun. And they arrive home safely.

[winyanstaz]

34. Here you go...this will make you all feel much safer...

and happy that you are giving up yet another civil right and that they are stripping the second amendment out of the Constitution along with all our other rights..one way or another.

http://blacklistednews.com/news-4575-0-15-15--.html

[winyanstaz]

35. and this too

http://www.prisonplanet.com/va-state-police-say-anti-nwo-and-gun-rights-activists-are-terrorists.html