Young Turks: 14 Year Old Girl Gets Tased By Cop

[CherylK]

Run time: 04:27 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6obmbsMNzKM   Posted on YouTube: July 10, 2009 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: July 11, 2009 By DU Member: CherylK Views on DU: 2356

 
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[Piewhacket]

1. WTF? Exactly. Tennesee v. Gardner. The cop should do prison time! hey!

[ihavenobias]

2. K & R. BTW,

TYT is now on Twitter: http://twitter.com/TheYoungTurks

[Karenina]

3. Cenk NAILS IT yet again...

Star Trek. Phasers on "stun." They don't GET. IT.

to ihnb:edited for tense ;-)

[uppityperson]

4. Here are a couple of stories about it.

http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/national/west/nat_krqe_nm_family_cop_dart_pierced_girls_skull_200907081231_2619112
http://www.qcsunonline.com/news/firm-7367-private-shooting.html

[wroberts189]

7. Thx ...so now we know a few more things...

The girl did not start running until she was threatened with the Taser. So the cop scared her into the street.

The cop is getting a fully paid vacation. ..BTW Why do they always get paid leave?

Still no mention of witnesses coming forward and there must have been someone else there ..city park and traffic in the road (according to the cop)

And the mom was upset because she was sexting messages to older men.

[paulsby]

15. they get paid leave

because we have this thing called labor rights (see: unions and collective bargaining), due process, etc. if the cop violated the law, policies/procedures, he should be punished. but that can't be done PRIOR to due process. an officer in my agency was fired a couple of years ago pursuant to a domestic violence complaint, prior to court adjudication and departmental investigation. when the case went to court, it turned out to be complete crap, never went to trial, and was determined to be fabricated etc. was thrown out at 2nd hearing. a domesti violence
advocate was also complicit in the malicious complaint. it was a clusterfuck. dept. had to pay a BIG settlement to the guy, over a year of back pay, and looked like a bunch of horse's asses. it sucks that people who do bad things get the paid leave UNTIL their case is investigated, but it's about not presuming guilt, and letting the investigations play out - due process, labor rights, etc.

[wroberts189]

16. He could have killed her. Paid leave is a choice they made.

He assaulted a 14 YEAR OLD GIRL. Stuck a dart into her brain and electrocuted her. And he is lucky he did not kill her.


Due process? Labor rights? Collective bargaining? What a joke. They get nothing but lip service except when it comes to cops.. You ever see paid leave in the private sector?

Ask the GM retirees where their pensions and health care went and you will see how far these contracts go when it comes to ordinary people.

Any non-cop that did this would be sitting in a jail cell.

[paulsby]

18. rubbish

union, labor rights, and collective bargaining. want to see an analogy? teachers. when investigations are pending against them, they get paid leave too. civil service public employees get that. don't like it? try union busting and get rid of our rights, then. for now, they remain.

[wroberts189]

19. No you are full of rubbish and have not been paying attention.

Teachers get put on unpaid leave ALL the time or fired instantly. Especially if they show a sex film by accident like some poor woman did a few years ago.


All unions are in a very sorry state right now.

[paulsby]

20. sometimes, sometimes not

depends on the jurisdiction, whether the state is a right to work state, the extent of the collective bargaining agreement, whether the teacher has tenure (or whehter the cop is off probation), etc. etc. in a local case, a teacher accused of sexual assault on a student was kept on PAID leave until the case was adjudicated. my union is in a very excellent state right now. so, you're statement is demonstrably true, that ALL unions are in a very sorry state.

[wroberts189]

22. Yes I agree ..you need a strong union ..and there are too many states/counties to ..

..really nail down whether the cop is getting treated the same as other civic workers.

And I was generalizing the state of unions in this country.

I worked for the fed gov for over ten years under the afl-cio and the local union rep was always in bed with management. It was the path to promotion.

Basically if you were voted head of the union and played ball you would soon get promoted (of course then someone else would have to be elected)

But in the end it had an effect they did not anticipate... fair and good supervisors towards the worker bees..

Still I saw decisions that were bogus were a union rep would not defend someone on a trumped up charge based on politics.

Member or not .. that cops union would have to decide to fight if is he was not paid..contract violation or not.

And if he had killed her they might not. Suppose he gunned down 5 people for no reason? Or was found stealing drugs from lockup?

Sorry for saying your full of rubbish. It was a knee jerk to your post saying my post was. Clearly you have good points.

Like another DU'er said ..we all need thicker skin.

[paulsby]

25. i appreciate that

we can differ, and i accept that. i never said what the cop did was justified. i simply said, at least in my jurisdiction, we don't fire cops (who are off probation) BEFORE due process. dats all. i am a believer in unions. i do NOT think they fight for The Good(tm). nor does management. They fight for their respective constituency and the result is hopefully a balance between the rights of labor and the rights of management. as civil service employees who go through incredibly intrusive, extensive process to get a job, i think it's reasonable that they are given due process before being canned or disciplined. if the cop did wrong, he deserves to be punished.

[ejbr]

5. k & r n/t

[wroberts189]

6. A point that is missed. The cops story does not add up...

She runs into the street "not looking" so he had to what? ...knock her down right on the road making it more likely she will get run over now that she is out of the view of drivers?

And if he was close enough to tase he was close enough to stop traffic and probably close enough to grab her.

I wonder if there are any witnesses.. better yet where are the witnesses ? there should be if there was traffic right?

These Tasers have got to go. They are being abused almost daily.


knr

[izquierdista]

13. It was in Tucumcari

You can set up a picnic table in the middle of the road there and not have to worry about traffic.

[wroberts189]

17. Thx , so the cop is lying out his ass. Also explains why there is no witnessses. nt

[izquierdista]

21. No witnesses

That's bullshit too. Tucumcari is one of those small New Mexico towns where everyone knows everyone else, and anyone's business is everyone's business. There will be two sides in the follow-up to this story, the good ol'boys (Anglos) who would back the sheriff up if he fucked the girl on main street at high noon, and the people (hispanics) who have to put up with these yokels. Quay county is only 40% Hispanic, so this sheriff may think that it will blow over. Unfortunately for him, not everyone thinks like a Texas panhandle redneck, and he will find out how out of touch he is. We'll soon see how much of a racist he is.

[wroberts189]

23. Thanks... very informative. nt

[droidamus2]

8. Absolutely right

Cenk got it absolutely right. The original idea behind developing the taser was the officers were seen to be overusing deadly force i.e. shooting people dead! so the people that create these kind of things came up with taser. Unfortunately the police seem to have decided that rather than as a replacement for 'deadly force' tasers are to be used basically whenever somebody pisses them off. They don't want to go through the trouble of wrestling somebody and handcuffing them just taser them and then handcuff them. Sure if the person they were dealing with was a 300 pound guy on steroids and angel dust then they are in danger and a taser would be appropriate but using a taser as a means to stop a 14 year old girl from running away from you is just wrong.

[Cowpunk]

9. "Running into traffic"-The standard excuse for zapping a child

January 29, 2005:

MIAMI - Police have acknowledged using a stun gun to immobilize a 12-year-old girl just weeks after an officer jolted a first-grader with 50,000 volts.

Police Director Bobby Parker defended the decision to use a Taser on the 6-year-old boy last month because he was threatening to injure himself with a shard of glass. But Parker said Friday that he could not defend the decision to shock the fleeing girl, who was skipping school and apparently drunk.

According to the incident report, officer William Nelson responded to a complaint that children were swimming in a pool, drinking alcohol and smoking cigars on the morning of Nov. 5.

Nelson said he noticed the girl was intoxicated and was walking her to his car to take her back to school when she ran away through a parking lot.

Nelson, 38, said he chased her and yelled several times for her to stop before firing the Taser when she began to run into traffic. The electric probes hit the girl in the neck and lower back, immobilizing her.

Nelson said he fired "for my safety along with (the girl's) safety."

September 19, 2007:

Orange County sheriff's deputies on Tuesday defended their decision to use a stun gun on a 15-year-old autistic boy who ran away from his parents and later dashed into traffic.

Using the Taser in this case "was the right thing to do," said Jim Amormino, a sheriff's spokesman. "If that were your son, would you want him Tased or hit by a car? The deputy made the right decision. . . . It could have saved life."

But Doris Karras, mother of Taylor Karras, said deputies did not need to use the Taser gun, particularly because she had called various police agencies to alert them that her son was missing. She said her son would have followed deputies' directions if he hadn't felt threatened.

"This was a very aggressive response," she said. She said her son "didn't have any weapon on him. He didn't even have a pencil."

[wroberts189]

12. Interesting thx...

If they were honest good cops and they would just admit they made a really bad call in the heat of the moment ... it would give me pause. But they know damn well they acted with malice so they lie.

So its always some wild justification that stretches believability.

This really pisses me off.

[wroberts189]

10. One other thing...Why did he aim for a head shot?

He hit her in the head AND face. And punctured her skull right into the brain itself... god only knows if he did some serious damage to the brain.

What ..her back was not a big enough target?


Where are all the cop and taser apologists on this one? Just another bad apple right?

[zbdent]

11. more freeptard fascist porn ...

[burning rain]

14. Kudos to Cenk for covering this.

Hopefully the family will get some satisfaction with a lawsuit, as I doubt that activists against police brutality will do much in this case, as there does not appear to be a racism angle here.

[wroberts189]

24. Its like Cenk reads our minds doesn't it?

Only he can sum it all up in one gigantic "WTF is this crap".

[izquierdista]

26. Appears?

Did you not notice that the police chief was Anglo and the girl Hispanic? Now most Anglos in New Mexico have adjusted to living in a bicultural state, but not as many on the Texas border (which is where this occurred). There are plenty of Texas redneck racists in eastern New Mexico and I surmise this good ol' boy police chief is one of them.

[Suji to Seoul]

27. But. . .but. . .but, police just have a tough cop and a 14 year old girl

must have threatened those poor, weak, defenseless police officers.

I mean, just look at big and tough this 14 year old girl is. She must weight 100 pounds wet and wearing boots. No way trained, lethal, muscular men could have controlled a frail brute like this girl. That's why 50,000 volts TO THE HEAD was needed.

She learned her lesson!

Come on badge sniffers on DU. . .defend this like you defend all allegations of police misconduct!

Teacher sends a kid home with a bag of crap after the kid crapped on the teacher's classroom floor = vilification.

Police taser a 14 year old girl in the head = it's just one cop by DU's cop licker brigade!!!

[Cowpunk]

28. Here's one reason the cops think they're on Star Trek

Taser Co. lies about the harmfulness of their weapons.

Here's some stuff from their press packet that I've posted on similar threads.

TASER technology has revolutionized policing by providing a standoff tool. The advantage is that TASER
technology can truly immobilize a suspect who can overcome pain, might be on dangerous drugs like
cocaine or methamphetamine or even emotionally disturbed, whereas other use of force tools relay upon
pain compliance. The TASER system doesn't use pain compliance but immediately stops any
coordinated action by the subject only while the TASER system's current is flowing. Recovery is
instantaneous so the TASER system only provides a window of opportunity to temporarily stop
someone's dangerous actions.

(...)

While the TASER device produces 50,000 volts to create a spark that
will transmit electricity through 2 inches of clothing, only short pulses
of 400 volts actually enter the body. The average voltage during a
five-second application is less than one volt. When compared to a
static shock from a doorknob (35,000 to 100,000 volts) or a Van de
Graff Generator (1,000,000 to 20,000,000 volts), a common display in
science museums which makes your hair stand on end, 400 volts with
extremely low current is equally as harmless.

Equally as harmless as a Van de Graff Generator, eh?

I don't seem to recall getting knocked to the ground paralyzed, shitting my pants, and howling in agony when visiting the Museum of Natural History.

[Butch350]

29. It's sad that she got tasered in the head...

Listen, I've observed 13, 14, 15 year old girls being unruly or just simply being out of
control, oozing that teenage angst thing, and believe me a good tasering in ass is just what they need.

But I'm really sorry for her getting it in the head. That's bad.

People, there are some nasty acting teenage girls out there.

[obliviously]

30. unfortunatly you may be right N/T