Thom Hartmann - Which one of you DELETED dumped the oil???

[thomhartmann]

Run time: 09:24 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APPIVTqPLIU   Posted on YouTube: May 12, 2010 By YouTube Member: thomhartmann Views on YouTube: 157   Posted on DU: May 12, 2010 By DU Member: thomhartmann Views on DU: 3287

 
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[gateley]

1. I feel so indebted to this guy -- he knows whereof he speaks and explains it

so I can understand it, too! Recommend!

[BrklynLiberal]

18. EXACTLY! That is what is so great about him. He breaks it all down into terms you can understand

and once you understand...you REALLY GET PISSED OFF!. I cannot believe how he stays so calm..and he has these "discussions" with the RWingnuts and stays so rational. I would have had to either shoot them or had to get up and leave the room quickly.

[jotsy]

2. All bitches in question gave birth to this disastrous debacle.

As always Sir Thom, taking in your take on matters is always time well spent. K and R

[whathehell]

10. I appreciate

your making the rather ugly term "bitch" gender-neutral...It's been a long time coming:smoke:

[skeptical cynic]

3. Good questions. Good assumptions.

The dead were disposable people to BP.

It's not like these eleven were the first workers killed by BP.

[slay]

4. This is a spot on program

he's right - we've barely heard shit about the 11 men who died. I'd like to hear what their families think. He's probably right though - they were bought off just like many of the 9/11 families.

[florida08]

5. From Financial Times

Over the PA system, someone an­nounced that there was a fire and everyone should report to lifeboats numbers one and two. The other two boats, workers would later learn, had been blown off the rig. He grabbed his overalls and ran into the hallway.

“There were people running everywhere,” he says. He tried to get to the stairwell but it had collapsed. “There was a pile of rubble.” So he ran back to his room, picked up his life-jacket, his shoes and his wedding ring, and headed in the other direction.

“It was smoky. Insulation and stuff was flying around.” At the galley, Mr Stone found, the ceiling had collapsed. He made his way up two floors to the deck. “You stepped outside and it was like daylight. The derrick was engulfed in flames. Everyone was panicking.’’

While some climbed into boats, others stood transfixed, staring at the flames. “I got in the lifeboat and waited,” Mr Stone says. The plan was to wait until as many people as possible could get in. “It seems like it took forever. We were just sitting there, waiting to die.’’

When the lifeboat – an enclosed capsule – began filling with smoke, the 50 or so inside decided they could wait no longer. Other workers were jumping off the blazing rig into the water 100ft below. “We dropped the lifeboat. You’ve got to save the living. Time is of the essence.’’ They were 135 miles offshore. More than 24 hours would pass before Mr Stone’s wife knew that he was safe...

One of the Deepwater Horizon workers, who called himself James when he telephoned WBAP radio station in Dallas on April 30, described what happened next. Suddenly, he said, “We took a humungous gas bubble kick up through the well bore.”

Gas came rushing up the pipe to the rig, blowing the sea water in the pipe out through the crown of the Deepwater Horizon, 240ft into the air. “The sheer volume and pressure of gas that hit all at once was more than the safety controls we had in place could handle,” James said. “Mother Nature every now and then kicks up.”

Gas at high pressure on the sea bed expands rapidly as it rises to the surface. In less than a minute, James said, the entire rig was enveloped in gas and a stray spark, or even static electricity, ignited it.

The 11 men who died, he said, “were directly inside the bomb when it went off; the gas being the bomb”.



http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/cfb9731e-593c-11df-adc3-00144feab49a.html

[bulloney]

6. Hey you 'pro lifers' who vote straight-line pro-big business Repub...feel good about your choices?

Of course you do because you and your ilk don't give a crap about life when it's out of the womb.

Look at the teabaggers demanding that we keep the government out of their Medicare. Look at the teabaggers calling for the end of social programs as they're collecting unemployment compensation or Social Security.

That's what it comes down to in my neck of the woods. The Republican candidates are all pro-life and make a point in mentioning this in their campaign ads and literature. They also all beat the drums for deregulation, tax cuts for the wealthy and big business, cuts in social programs and all of this other crap you associate with Republicans. But you never hear a peep from these people about cutting the biggest rathole in the federal budget...military spending.

Ask these same people about the unemployment rate, the skewed distribution of wealth in this country, the illegal invasion of Iraq and other issues, and they will act like these topics are irrelevant.

You anti-government teabagging, chest-thumping conservatives should be in your absolute glory right now. We've been seeing a steady erosion of programs that protect our safety and quality of life for at least 30 years. The Wall Street collapse and this current mess in the Gulf of Mexico are recent and very expensive fruits of this ideology. And who will ultimately pay for this? You and your ilk have made such a point to protect your rich "friends" who would just as soon squish you like a bug on a sidewalk than claim any common ground with you, that they won't pay. It will come down to you and the rest of us in the middle class who have seen their real wages stagnate or decline in the last 30 years, while the uber-rich you've protected like the good stooges you are have assumed the greatest share of this nation's wealth since the Great Depression.

I hope you clowns are happy.

[florida08]

8. Thank you..

You anti-government teabagging, chest-thumping conservatives should be in your absolute glory right now. We've been seeing a steady erosion of programs that protect our safety and quality of life for at least 30 years. The Wall Street collapse and this current mess in the Gulf of Mexico are recent and very expensive fruits of this ideology. And who will ultimately pay for this? You and your ilk have made such a point to protect your rich "friends" who would just as soon squish you like a bug on a sidewalk than claim any common ground with you, that they won't pay. It will come down to you and the rest of us in the middle class who have seen their real wages stagnate or decline in the last 30 years, while the uber-rich you've protected like the good stooges you are have assumed the greatest share of this nation's wealth since the Great Depression.

Have been trying to get this across to my daughter and son in law for years. Small government equates to NO government. We are now living in the result of that ridiculous meme. Yet who do they blame? Their ignorance will destroy us all. Thanks for the rant. It helps.

[happygoluckytoyou]

9. the GOP.... home to the wedge issue.......gays, guns, abortion rights... anything to find that vote

IT IS, AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN, ABOUT CLASS WARFARE

ANYONE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PYRAMID WHO IS VOTING WITH THE TOP OF THE PYRAMID HAS BEEN TRICKED INTO THINKING THAT THEY SHARE INTERESTS

..... THE WEALTHY COULD CARE LESS ABOUT ABORTIONS, BIBLE, MARRIAGE VOWS, GENDER PREFERENCE, GUN OWNERSHIP

............... THEY CHOOSE ANY SIDE WHICH WILL WEDGE YOU FROM YOUR BEST INTERESTS

if they really cared about bible issues.... why so many divorces within their ranks? why so many wars for oil?
why so little sympathy for the survivors of katrina?
why so little concern for public education and access to medical treatment?

BECAUSE THERE ARE NO VOTES TO BE FOUND THERE.

it is a high-wire balancing act... telling people to ignore the bank bailout, but hate big government
telling people medical insurance is socialism, but supporting medicare and SOCIAL security benefits
AND THE GOP DOES THAT BALANCING ILLUSION WELL

[florida08]

11. excellent

yes yes yes..hundreds of thousands killed in Iraq? no no no...the question is "do you want to win"? You nailed 'em.

"THEY CHOOSE ANY SIDE WHICH WILL WEDGE YOU FROM YOUR BEST INTERESTS"

The heart of GOP strategy. Amazing how their voters keep falling for it even while the country bleeds. Sociopaths all of them.

"ANYONE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PYRAMID WHO IS VOTING WITH THE TOP OF THE PYRAMID HAS BEEN TRICKED INTO THINKING THAT THEY SHARE INTERESTS"

I think that's the definition of a fool. Well done

:hi:

[BrklynLiberal]

19. Very well said!!!

:toast: :thumbsup: :hi: :fistbump: :yourock: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[dotymed]

7. Thom, in America, BP decides

what a "legitimate claim" is. America is (as you know) owned and operated by the corporations. It would be fascinating to know, and illegal to conceal, (for ordinary Americans) what happened to the 11 dead and the executives w/helicopter. Thanks, get better soon.
BTW, wouldn't it improve the lives of Americans, immensely, if (especially since we "socialize the risks), we claimed our ownership of the oil under our shores? Many countries do this (the oil companies get a share for harvesting it)and their economies and their people are much better off for it.

How about using your show to help organize a huge non-violent protest, Thom? Let's ask that each listener, "wake-up" as many similar thinkers as possible. Then we choose a day for nation-wide, non-violent protests. Our goal being at least one million. That is a fraction of the (at least) 80% of Americans who are disenfranchised. Think about it?

[SemperEadem]

12. who was going to stand to profit from the oil that was going to be drilled out of that hole?

No one but BP. Therefore, BP is liable. End of story. STFU about anything else.

[puebloknot]

13. Live long and prosper, Thom Hartmann.

Logic like yours is surely "noticed" in the halls of illegitimate power.

Take care. The country, the world needs you and your journalistic impertinence.

Warm regards,

Judy Barrett
Santa Fe, NM

[SargeUNN]

14. Is Thom having problems with his right arm?

I noticed he isn't using it in the video. Hope he isn't having trouble with it.

[bulloney]

15. In an earlier video, his right arm was in a sling. Don't know what happened.

[PSzymeczek]

22. He injured his shoulder.

He mentioned it on the air.

[GreenTea]

16. Thank you Thom Hartmann. (Support FSTV)!

http://www.freespeech.org/

[TatonkaJames]

17. Which One ?

When I see criminal interrogations of two or more people after an altercation occurs and no one
takes blame for it, they are all hauled off to jail until they have their day in court.
If none of these unpatriotic pussy's who are indebted to the owners of these companies is told to
take the blame, then all three companies should be held accountable.

[BrklynLiberal]

20. AviationPro came up with the best solution...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8314423&mesg_id=8314423

Here's the solution for punishing all three....

...scumbag corporations (especially Hallitosisburton) for the leak/gusher: designate all three as terrorist organizations. seize their assets and pursue their officers to the ground much like we do the Taliban and AQ. That'll get the corporatists attention fast.

[Sherman A1]

23. +1000

[glitch]

27. +1,000,000/day nt

[Mark D.]

21. Message to Tom Hartmann

I don't know if you get to read this. I hope you do. You and Dennis Kucinich are my heroes in political views. You reach a lot of people Tom, maybe you can help spread the word on this message, as it's not being voiced by anyone but me right now. No offense to my liberal brothers and sisters here, but this is an APB, 5150, 911, State of Emergency for the world.

Not a corporate emergency. Not that of a few states or even the gulf. Not even a national emergency. Every available navy, should be involved in containment efforts. Every available engineer, including the worlds largest weapons manufacturer, GE, should be trying to figure out a mechanical solution. Every scientist, including those in Switzerland looking for black holes, need to get involved. Drop whatever they are doing if it's not an urgent priority. If it's not more urgent than this, which it likely is not. No holds barred, no expense spared (BP and Haliburton will ultimately pay for any and all expenses for those involved, but lets get this solved first). I know BP did it, I know the coast guard is the government hand in the clean-up, and they are 'working on it' but it is not enough. Everyone who has a voice needs to cry out for the need for the entire world to work together.

Let the UN, if it's actually good for anything, be the central planner for this effort. Even at the low estimate of 200,000 gallons a day, if that were true. Even just one day adds immeasurable damage to the world's future in fishing and marine life. I don't know exactly how all of the above will figure out how to stop this, and clean it up in a non-toxic way. I only know if they all work together, they can. If they wait until the oil is washing onto Europe's shores (it's just a matter of time) should it be as bad as they say it could be (a million gallons a day) and it does take the 3 months for BP to stop this, it will be too late. Rather than get mad at corporate corner-cutting that allows these disasters, in an under-enforced, under-regulated market, this has to be the focus of our demands. Economic crisis or not, the world can't afford NOT to get involved. RIGHT NOW!

[grahamhgreen]

24. The reason it happened is BECAUSE THEY WERE DOING OFFSHORE DRILLING!!!

It's like asking what killed the man after he was shot in the head - was it his skull missing, the vessels popping or the brain missing.

It was shooting him in the head!

[Bryn]

25. Shoo!! It's not close captioned. Can someone tell me what he says?

or if there's transcript online available? Thank you soooo much :hi:

K&R anyway :)

[Bozita]

26. Thom's daily email contains the gist of it ...

Thom's blog
Was the Gulf Oil Disaster a Result of a BP BigWhig Party?


The Times-Picayune reported last week that an oil worker who survived the April 20 explosion of the Deepwater Horizon, that killed 11 people and started a disastrous oil leak in the Gulf of Mexico, said a key safety measure was not being implemented on the rig.

Lawyer Scott Bickford said his client claims a column of mud was being removed from an exploratory well before it was sealed with a top cement cap -- a move he described as "human error" that may have in turn failed to prevent the deadly explosion.

A statement from cement contractor Halliburton, reported by the New Orleans newspaper, confirmed the top cap was not installed. The column of heavy mud is one of the core defenses relied upon by drillers to prevent explosions.

So they cut corners to get the job done quickly. Here's a question. Have you ever worked in a place where the bigwhigs were coming to town and you had to quickly get everything ready for them?

Remember that there were six senior British Petroleum executives on the oil rig at the time of the explosion, celebrating a recent safety award the company had gotten. Getting senior executives out to an oil rig all at the same time is something that requires some coordinating and planning.

What if the drillers and Halliburton were told that the executives were going to be there on April 20th for the party, and therefore they had to hurry to get the job done? And therefore they skipped the time-consuming step of putting the mud plug in and went straight to the cementing process, apparently the fatal mistake that let the giant methane bubble rush up and explode the rig?

Was this entire disaster the result of a hurry-hurry-up because the big shots were flying out by helicopter and the riggers had to get things done "stat"? Who were these six executives? How far out was their visit planned?

Did Halliburton and Transocean cut corners because they were either explicitly told to by BP or implicitly pressured to by BP because the executives were on their way out for the party?

And why is nobody talking about who these executives were, and nobody is telling the life and family stories of the eleven workers who died in the rig explosion?

Inquiring minds want to know.

--Thom

[ChicagoSuz219]

28. A safety award. Seriously...

I've been wondering why there's no mention of the eleven people who died; no memorial service; no chats with their families, etc., as well.