Prominent Oil Industry Insider: "There's Another Leak, Much Bigger, 5 to 6 Miles Away"

[kpete]

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http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/05/prominent-oil-industry-insider-theres.html

[Bennyboy]

1. K und Arrrrggghhhh!

[MadMaddie]

2. It just doesn't end....

[sasquuatch55]

37. Industry has always fucked us!

nt

[kayakjohnny]

3. Incredible.

I can't believe what I'm seeing and hearing.

Thanks, Kpete.

As usual.

[stopbush]

18. "Look over here, not over there...and whatever you do, don't think of an elephant."

The art of illusion is the art of distraction, and it looks like BP has hired the best illusionists in Vegas to run their PR department.

[Skink]

4. Oviously BP know's best.

[Aslanspal]

5. What the hell is going on!!!!

At the minimal...at the minimal...those tankers regular to super should be on site at the ready perhaps 2 to 5 miles off site...ready! to much time has been wasted. Our options should be at the location and ready.

God this is horrific

makes you wonder if we really are doomed, my goodness if a small asteroid strike was to penetrate the ocean and hit a vein of oil.

[icee]

6. Great. Great video. So who all is lying to us? And if we can prove

the lie, do we need them in their jobs anymore? Also, if there is another much larger leak, isn't plugging up this smaller leak going to put increased pressure on the other leak and increase the flow, or maybe even blow a junction? Those guys didn't sound like they were bullshitting.

[Donnachaidh]

7. and we wondered WHY they want to control the airspace over the spill

see http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8432662

[icee]

8. It may be so massive that if the press released a picture of it,

people would begin to panic. If the thing is bigger that Maryland and Delaware now in just 36 days and its growing geometrically, it could be bigger than the entire US by August. How many dead zones is this creating, or delayed fish life cycles? If any of this is true, we should be advised.

[defendandprotect]

17. And they used to ask if this would end ... with a whimper or a bang . . . big oil got us instead--!!

Well, they also got JFK first --

[icee]

20. But watch: BP will get out of this and some night in September

you'll see Tony Hayward on Dancing with the Stars trying to redeem himself.

[defendandprotect]

21. Agree BP will get out of this same as Exxon got out of Valdez disaster ....

with a lot of help from corrupted right wing officials/courts!!

[icee]

22. Well, Pearl Jam is doing their part to boycott BP's products. I

suggest we do the same, forever. Anyway, here's the Don't buy BP song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew8gK3dekhY

[defendandprotect]

32. I don't need to be asked... was amazed to see people still pulling into BP stations!!!

[icee]

35. I'll walk before I would ever buy their gas.

[defendandprotect]

38. My husband was saying he thinks they probably distribute oil to other

companies and sell it under different names -

who knows?

[icee]

40. Yeah, I've hear of that. I worked for an oil company in 1990. They

would sell gas and other products to generic stations (non-branded) at lower prices. I used to keep track of them. But the company I used to work for merged with another big company, so it all changed. You have no idea how crooked oil companies are. I got to see things I didn't believe.

[defendandprotect]

43. Don't know the details of their corruption . .. but well remember the morning after

ExxonValdez and the Senate hearings --

the guy from Exxon - think a VP -- came in and you knew immediately this was Mafia --

organized crime -- and he was saying to our US Senate, things are going to go our way --

despite what bit of noise you make here today -- and it will be remembered.

Most of our "bus-i-ness" today is organized crime --

Unregulated capitalism is organized crime!

:)

[icee]

44. The oil company I worked for had an upper executive woman

who worked on the sixth floor of a high rise. She was suing the company. Someone tried to shoot her from a helecopter as she sat at her desk. We found bullet holes in the windows. She won her case. It was the biggest case of its kind ever. I can't say the case or the company because I was a witness for the woman.

[defendandprotect]

45. Wow ....!!!

And yet so many have trouble believing in a coup on JFK and our people's government!!

Know they have trouble in not running the same kill over and again --

alleged suicides/drug deaths/cancer deaths -- that one is REALLY UNIQUE -- !!

Take care --

Guess I'll see you in "9/11 dungeon" -- ??


:)

[icee]

TTYL, D&P. Have a nice holiday. I'd like to find some people

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and fly down there next week. I don't believe anyone anymore. I know NO like the back of my hand.

[defendandprotect]

49. No fly-overs and no one on beaches? You'd have to know a lot to find an opening ....

guess people will talk away from heat of corporations -- ?

Seems some people were treated because of inhaling fumes -- ?

I'm sure there are many stories to be told!

:)

[Prof Lester]

59. Oh, them oil boys..

is them "smart businessmen" that the wingers are always tellin' us can do things so much better than our elected representatives. So Ronald Reagan drank the bullshit coolaid of the Chicago economists.. the libersnarians.. government haters.. Ayn Randian wacko market-fundymentalist kookjobs. And look how much better they all did. First the Vampire Squid boys RAPED the US economy down to it's poor sad busted toenails.. then the oil boys produced what is no surprise whatsoever! Many saw this coming a long time ago! But of course they were derided as "kooks". Hah! The real kooks are those pinheads from University of Chicago and Harvard that cooked up this insane bullshit. And the ignorant damn rightwinger retards that put goofy Raygun in power and let him rip the guts out of the system. Smart businessmen.. my ass.

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[bertman]

63. I haven't been able to screw up my resolve to boycott our local BP stations. The people

who own them and work at them are good people who really don't have anything to do with this. Their sin is they provide us the fuel for our vehicles. So I'm trying to separate the BP corporation from the people on the local level.

Rather than punish the BP station owners and employees, let's punish the CORPORATE FLUNKY-CRIMINALS who caused this spill to happen. I mean, really punish, as in prison for a long time. Not Club Fed either, but someplace like Leavenworth.

AND let's keep fining them until they are sucked dry of their filthy, ill-gotten gains. Let the corporation die -- or rather, be put to death, by the American government representing its citizens.

The small local business owners will sell gas under another brand name. Hopefully one that has finally been made aware of the consequences of this type of crime.

[gulfcoastliberal]

28. With all the benzene & other toxic gasses released from the oil people deserve to know the truth.

No excuse for their lies & concealment of truth.

[defendandprotect]

46. Question is . . . how much cover is Obama going to give them . ..

[lostnfound]

9. OMG this is the worst, most disturbing thing I've heard on the subject. nt

[jwirr]

10. So they are covering this other one up? This is idiotic.

[leveymg]

11. These guys are saying the actual wellhead is miles away, and it has blown way bigger.

So, what is this - just a riser (a feeder junction) that got separated during the initial explosion? Am I understanding what they're saying correctly?

Is the second plume actually much bigger - 210,000 bbls/day? "Elephant behind the mouse" Guess we'll find out, sooner or later.

[icee]

12. The original story was a fautly cement pour in the BOP (Blowout Preventer).

Is it possible that story was a cover that never really happened. They used this to buy time because what actually happened is the wellhead blew, as you suggest, from increased pressure at the depth when they tried to cap the BOP. Florida beaches just taken off most recoed beaches.

[scentopine]

13. Very good - this is exactly why we need transparency here -nt

[mikita]

14. k&r it leaves me speechless

[KILL THE WISE ONE]

15. so the video is nothing more then a distraction for the real problem

[defendandprotect]

16. Is this the other well -- ??? It's 10X bigger -- !! We've known about this for weeks. . ..

and the possibility it could also have severe problems!!

[proud patriot]

19. lovely

:sarcasm:

[icee]

23. I'm voting for Brown, too.

[Control-Z]

24. This needs to go straight to the top of the page.

Perhaps pinned for the weeks to come. I wish I could recommend it 1000 times.

It is by far the most informative conversation/interview I have heard since day one. These two men offered more insight, truth and solution in one interview than BP has for the entire duration of this catastrophe. The information was frightening to hear, but, it was strangely comforting to finally hear something that makes sense from men who sound smart and honest and who spoke with great authority.

These are the men who need to be running the show. They spoke of sensible, effective methods that could (and should) have been used from day one to capture the majority of oil directly from the source - before it had a chance to spread - before it was chemically dispersed and hidden beneath the surface.

I wonder how the president feels about this. If he even knows?

K&R

[subsuelo]

39. President Obama is superman. He knows everything. n/t

[Control-Z]

48. Well, that certainly

cleared things up for me.

Where would I be had you not so graciously posted?

[subsuelo]

64. I'm here to help

:)

[thereismore]

25. What are they saying? I don't understand what they are saying. Is the BOP miles away

from the actual wellhead (now hole in the ground)? That would mean that the riser is disconnected from the wellhead? If so, what is it that's been gushing from the riser? I am confused. Please help.

[vanbean]

26. I'm with you. I didn't understand the whole thing either.

[Poll_Blind]

27. K&R, this is VERY useful video and analysis! n/t

PB

[eyepaddle]

29. I don't know who these guys are, but his is complete bullshit.

I made it about halfway through, and I'll watch the rest later, but I don't have any idea what the hell these guys are thinking.

First off, the location of the well head is very carefully surveyed and logged--that is where the ROV's would go to--the surveyed location of the well head not just hunting around for for some plume. Plus that BOP is abut 50 feet tall and must weigh at least three hundred thousand pounds--maybe much more, if it got ripped off of the well head, there is no chance at all that it would come to rest upright on that bottom. That'd be like parking a semi truck on jello.

Not that there is no chance for a leak to come from underground and just pop through that bottom sediment, but so far it looks like the well is directing the flow into the BOP which is partially obstructing the flow.

For the record, yes, I am a petroleum geologist who has spent a few years drilling oil wells in the Gulf of Mexico. I left that field about ten years ago, but I have been following a lot of these accounts closely. This disaster is 100% as horrible as anybody here thinks it could be, but the bizarre and random speculation of these two guys isn't really adding anything useful. That blown out well is flowing hard and putting a shitload of crude right into the Gulf of Mexico, but it looks to me like it is doing it through the Blow Out Preventer and Riser. (THe riser is the long pipe leading from the Wellhead/BOP to the oil rig, and they are designed to be somehwat flexible and allow for movement of the floating oil rig on the ocean surface.

[HooptieWagon]

52. Yes, the riser is about a mile long (depth of water)

So how is it there's a leak 5 or 6 miles away? This doesn't make sense at all. Maybe the story is BS?

[suzie]

56. One of the oilfield types elsewhere called Simmons a "doomer" who probably

wanted the well to keep flowing.

Also pronounced this the same as you, "BS".

[thereismore]

30. I think they are full of themselves. nt

[eyepaddle]

31. I wathced more of it just now. The two of them aren't saying the same things at ALL.

Matt Simmons blathering about the riser being attached to the rig floor and not the well--even though in the ifrst frames of the supplemntary video you see the vertical BOP with the kinked riser pipe attached to it. If his statement is right all you'd have in the riser would be residual oil from what came up the pipe when the Deepwater Horizon blew up. It wouldn't keep flowing under obvious pressure for more than month if that were the case.

The other guy is a lot more reasonable and is just saying that while the Top Kill effort makes some sense in theory, it most likely won't work. I am kind of inclined to agree with him on that score. If the junk shot works, then BP can keep the drilling fluids (AKA mud) going down into the hole rather than OUT into the gulf, they might be able to get this stabilized. It's a bit of a long shot, but it is a reasonable plan to stop the flow of new oil.

Which obviously doesn't deal with the catastrophe already in the water.

[thereismore]

42. That's a very good summary, I think. nt

[defendandprotect]

47. Sure hope to hell it works . . . but it looks to me like

it's simply a reaction to pressure from Obama/Salazar in last week --

and shock and amazement at AUGUST date for shutting it down --

tap dancing?

But -- fingers crossed -- we need to get this thing shut down!!

And, to keep any other well from blowing!!

26 YEAR MORATORIUM ON OFF-SHORE OIL DRILLING . . . A TIME WHEN THINGS MADE SENSE

AND OIL COMPANIES WEREN'T IN CHARGE OF GOVERNMENT!!

[jberryhill]

33. And these guys are "Prominent"... how?

Yes, the rig end of the pipe may be leaking, but the oil comes from the well.

This is horseshit.

[spicegal]

34. This is really starting to scare me. Can't tell you how angry, helpless, and

frightened I'm feeling about all this. Maybe judgment day has arrived. I'm not a particularly religious person, but they do mention the oceans turning red in Revelations. Mankind doesn't deserve to inherit this earth. They don't take care of it, and in fact are destroying it. This almost feels worse than 9/11 because we really don't have a clue how to stop the hemorrhaging.

[icee]

41. Rev 16:3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea and it became as the blood of a dead.

[Divine Discontent]

54. 'as the blood of a dead man; and every living creature died in the sea'.

then Rev. says it will be the rivers and springs, then the sky/sun.

Amazing times we're living through nonetheless. And man has had his dastardly hand in many of the greatest and shocking events.

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[Divine Discontent]

58. I don't think I've ever read so many despair filled posts as I've read in the past 6 months. Things

are truly biblical. I was thinking to myself, what is the color of a dead man's blood, and I thought, wait, doesn't it turn really dark, and yes it does, after the body goes into lividity and the blood stops passing through the chest picking up oxygen.

Throughout all of this calamity, and it's hard not to be bothered by it, I keep my faith in Christ. It is easy to be hopeless feeling, with so much that is occurring, and who hasn't felt things are horrible? We are just called to use our time wisely.

A Nostradamus expert would certainly be interesting to listen to right about now, wouldn't they? Or a Revelation expert? Definitely wild times.

God bless/good vibes.

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[Divine Discontent]

65. cool thanks. and your avatar guy is my congressman! ;)

[Aviation Pro]

36. Question.........

....Why the fuck does anyone believe a single word from any "oil industry insider?" These worthless bags of fuck are natural born liars and killers and should be stripped of any rights they have and forced to drink their fucking vile product.

[pokercat999]

50. This is the BP Board of Directors,

http://www.bp.com/managedlistingsection.do?categoryId=9021801&contentId=7040608


They should be arrested, indicted, tried and jailed, along with all the top management at BP.

[HooptieWagon]

51. The riser only went down a mile through the water to the BOP and wellhead...

How is there a leak 5 or 6 miles away? Maybe the relief well operation is leaking? It doesn't make sense....

[BelgianMadCow]

53. this is the third time today I've seen it come up - this Simmons guy is (and has been) full of shit

say the ppl at the oildrum :shrug:

so use a big grain of salt until coinfirmed I'd say.

[jwirr]

55. Why is no one talking about this when they claim to have the problem

solved?

[patrice]

60. .

:cry: