Young Turks: Journalist On Gaza Bound Aid Ship Speaks Out

[CherylK]

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http://pulsemedia.org/2010/06/07/jamal-elshayyals-eyewitness-report/

[vaberella]

1. Wow...I think I'm going to AJ for my news from now on. n/t

[ihavenobias]

2. It's funny that you mention that

I didn't include the AJ line from NewsBusters when I posted this (in the original story they take a jab at AJ):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x540752|Right Wing Media Group Attacks MSNBC's Dylan Ratigan Guest Hosting The Young Turks>

PS---http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8505676|Petition & Protest: Give it Back! (& Stick It To The Teabaggers At The Same Time)>

[Kajsa]

3. You won't see the MSM covering this.

K&R!

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[Kajsa]

41. AJ is indeed mainstream

globally.

In the US, that's another story.
I should have qualified it as such.
AJ includes much more in their reporting.

I wouldn't throw around that "racist" label.

I've been fighting against the acceptance of
Islamaphobia for a long, long time.

Remember when John McCain refuted a teabagger's claim that ( at that time) candidate Obama
was a Muslim?
He replied with " No, Ma'am- he's a good man" !!
( a "good man" can't be Muslim?!?)
No one said jack about it till I posted an article from the 'LA Times', blasting the
hell out of that Islamaphobic reply!
I had very few responses on that thread, btw.
Not of much interest around here-
like I said, acceptance of/ indifference to Islamaphobia is alive and well.

-just one example-

[HEyHEY]

46. The racism remark was tongue in cheek, sorry

[Kajsa]

47. Thanks for clearing that up.

:)

[Kajsa]

43. Trying to find a link

to that thread to no avail- it may be more than two years ago.
Search is a pain here, sometimes.

Islamaphobia is a wide tent, including discrimination and bigotry
to all people of Middle Eastern ethnicity.

Here's another example.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=4117797

Notice the numerous replies?

And another-

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Kajsa/22

[abubalboola]

22. of course MSM covering this..

such interviews are everywhere.. us, europe, israel, turkey, middle east.. etc etc..

the guideline is simple, need to read several papers and not assume that any of them is "the absolute truth". they all have their point of view. each one has a stand whether it is pretending or not. some are pro-X, some are anti-Y, some pretend to be..
I read a few from different sides, and then CNN and BBC just for fun..

[Kajsa]

42. Excellent point, Abubalboola.

I should have qualified my response by stating
MSM in the US.
I often read the online newspapers from Sweden
where I get a different perspective on stories.

Thank you for your civility- i appreciate it.
:)

[pleah]

4. K&R

[theFrankFactor]

5. K,R & Shared

[abubalboola]

6. two sides, many versions.. shared future

important to hear the version of passengers. also important to hear the version of the israeli soldiers.
do not mock or dismiss any side.
there is a good reason to suspect that both are right just as both are wrong. how come this contradiction? mistakes, emotions, interpretations, misunderstanding, assumptions, prejudice.

a proper investigation should gather as many versions as possible and try to reconstruct what happened.
but even after the reconstruction, there will be parts missing, ambiguous and questionable.

my hope is that the investigation will be shared by Israel and Turkey (don't really care if it's what the UN, US this or that suggested, as long as both Israel and Turkey do this together).
inshalla... they will argue, disagree etc etc.. but hopefully, both will be able admit own mistakes and forgive the other's mistakes; to rebuild their relations and create a progress momentum in the region.

time to stop the blaming game, the fighting, and focus on the future!

[sabrina 1]

8. The only problem with your plea is that the humanitarians

lost nine of their members. The Israelis thankfully, lost no one. I have seen many reports from many eye-witnesses now in the foreign press and have viewed the video taken that night as the events unfolded. There really isn't much more to hear. The blockade is illegal, it violates International Law. The boarding of the ships was illegal as they were in international waters.

Anything after that is simply an attempt to try to mitigate the damage. The entire world has condemned the attack as they should. And the blockade which is inhumane. Sorry, but this 'there are two sides to every story' nonsense when the rightwing is clearly in the wrong, doesn't wash anymore.

There are two sides, a right one and a wrong one, and I think the world (except for the U.S. of course) has spoken as to which was the wrong side.

[Rhiannon12866]

19. +1

Well said. And a real tragedy. :(

[liberation]

11. It is always time to look forward when your side is the one looking bad

Unfortunately there is and there will never be a solution.

Only a single state with equal rights can actually be a solution, but neither side will agree to it. Ergo... it will never stop, pleading to "focus on the future" is just another tangential excuse trying to buy more time until the next time the shit hits the fan again.

I am sure if at any point in time any beloved member of your family is murdered, the last thing you want to do with the culprits is "not blaming them and focus on the future."

[abubalboola]

20. YOU ARE PREJUDICE! would aplogize if I were you...

so arrogantly you said "I am sure if at any point in time any beloved member of your family is murdered, the last thing you want to do with the culprits is "not blaming them and focus on the future.""

how prejudice you are! you assume you can guess my background..
how rude you are! you didn't stop to think on your words in case your words could turn to be wrong and someone was offended..

well, guess what.. YOU ARE WRONG! when I got my share of family loss from terror, I said the same thing.

you should apologize. immediately.

[EFerrari]

23. Well, no. Nine people died. Both sides are not equally responsible.

[abubalboola]

32. didn't say "equally".

no where did I say it this way.
I pointed that putting ALL blame on israel, is not right.

[Wizard777]

7. In Israel there is one side to every story.

[abubalboola]

21. you don't seem to know the israeli press nor politics

at the same time you read BBC\AJ\CNN etc ... you should go and read Haaretz to check about the public debate and the political debate.

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[Wizard777]

35. I think I do. I have a relative that was very instrumental in Israeli Politics The Camp David Accord

Then he looked at the third side of the story that exists everywhere else in the world. Palestine, then suddenly he was Pariah to Israel. Because in Israel there is one side to every story. Israels side.

[abubalboola]

38. hmmm...

Wizard, I admit that my first response was a LOL (but in a good way!)... it reminded me that my cousin is a professor to middle-eastern history and politics. It never occurred to me that I can use this as saying "I know this area".
but seriously.. I don't think in itself this answer is a good one, but I am curious to know if there is something behind it.

the israeli political map is filled with (too) many parties which represent right-wing, left-wing, different ethnic sectors etc. they hardly agree on most things so saying they have one side doesn't add up. (e.g., at the moment there is a heated discussion on what should have been done in regard to the ship instead)

as for the press, there are more then 3 major papers which also represent different attitudes and each with a different depth of analysis. I think you would appreciate the opinions which are expressed in Haaretz and are demanding pro-palestinian state and human rights. and in general the papers are full of criticism on the government at all times.

from the above, there is no "single side" in israel. there are many opinions expressed freely and loudly.

but I'm thinking.. maybe you meant something else?
I would be happy to hear about this!
(btw, we are diverting from the thread topic, but I hope you don't mind continuing this discussion)

[Wizard777]

39. I kinda meant it in an LOL way.

It was either go with my long distance Cousin Jimmy or a Holiday Inn Express. So I went with Jimmy. But when he was in the White House we followed the news on him and Billy very closely. That was our primer on Israeli politics. I have to say things have changed a lot since then. Much of it for the better. Back When Jimmy was negotiating the Camp David accords. He said one of the most frustrating parts of dealing with Israel is that you could not be a diplomat. You had to be a biblical scholar. Much like my cuz I've long been an avid supporter of Israel. But this whole nastiness with Palestine makes that's increasingly difficult. I think that statement may be more true here in America than in Israel. I like hearing both sides of any story. We don't always get that here in America. When I can't get the other side of the story. I naturally get suspicious and alarmed.

[PDJane]

9. I do go to Al Jazeera for news of the Middle East,

Along with the Lebanon Daily Star and Haaretz. And don't forget Asia Times online. I would also point out that, for American news, the brit papers have a much more thorough approach...The Independent, Times On Line, The Telegraph and the Guardian.

[libodem]

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[libodem]

10. .

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[ejbr]

12. k & r n/t

[Douglas Carpenter]

13. kick and recommend!!

[Capitalocracy]

14. How much does it change the story?

I mean, obviously it changes the narrative if they fired first and then boarded and met with resistance, it makes them seem more like peace activists etc. But at the end of the day, they boarded their boat on international waters, and they had the right to defend themselves. It doesn't matter who attacked first.

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[HEyHEY]

18. That's the problem, Israel is doing a decent job of getting people to argue

About who fired first instead of why they fired.

[EFerrari]

25. It absolutely puts the lie to the IDF story that they only fired

live rounds when they were assaulted by the activists on board.

[20score]

15. K&R!

[HEyHEY]

16. I read this guy's piece, lots of it was questionable

He talks about how no one from the UK came to see him and all this other shit, but he never mentions if he tried to contact them or anything. I, frankly, don't believe he is 100 per cent truthful. And NO that doesn't mean that I support Israel.

[EFerrari]

24. Well, I've read a lot of the stories told by these activists

and they all report that they were not allowed to speak to their consulate or to contact a lawyer. Their phones had been taken and they were not allowed to make calls. His story is right in line with all of the rest.

[HEyHEY]

26. I don't doubt that part of it.

However, in his story he sits there and makes accusations toward the British Embassy without even trying, or at least telling us, he tried to contact them or find out why they didn't contact him after the fact. Seems lazy to me.

[EFerrari]

27. I don't see how he could have contacted them without a phone

and without being allowed access to a phone. These people were basically cuffed for their entire detention and then packed off on a plane to Turkey. Most of them, anyway. Iirc, there were about 50 who signed the bogus deportation papers who got out about 12 hours sooner.

[HEyHEY]

28. exactly

So, he didn't have a phone, so he doesn't know what's going on, so why is he accusing the British Embassy of abandoning him? He hasn't even tried to contact them once in Turkey about it, or at least hasn't mentioned his attempts.

What I object to is that he seems to be accusing the UK of ignoring his problem without even finding out if the UK was informed of his incarceration. That makes me question his credibility.

[EFerrari]

29. Well, he's 25. Maybe his expectations about what your government can do

are unrealistic. One thing, though, that struck me is how cool he is. Most of the other folks I've seen in the press were not as calm or factual or even as observant of detail. Amy has had a bunch of people on. Ambassador Peck made the rounds. But this reporter, young as he is, seems very focused. I bet we hear more from him in the future.

[HEyHEY]

30. Either way, if he's writing for an international news outfit

He should know better than to make blind accusations. It's a bit suspect. Makes me wonder.

[HEyHEY]

31. Okay, now I must officially say "nuts to this guy"

Something he wrote before the siege.
I went and checked up on this guy, his article prior to the siege is biased diatribe from an obviously tainted "journalist." If you can call him that, I couldn't find any of his work prior to this little voyage. Looks to me like another activist posing as a reporter, only he managed to get Al Jazeera to sponsor him. Here's some snippets.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/middle-east/2010/05/22/israels-navy-will-have-its-work-cut-out


"From Israel's perspective though, it is understandable why it shouldn't allow this humanitarian convoy reach Gaza. Doing so could dramatically change the status quo. For starters, it severely questions Israel's continued and illegal occupation of the Gaza Strip."

"Continued and illegal, eh" well, that, if anything is one of the biggest debates of all time, and this "reporter" has taken a clear stand on it. Reporters, especially at age 25 don't take "stands" on this shit.

"Moreover, if this fleet of humanitarians does reach its destination, it could very well set a precedent for others to challenge Israel's illegal occupation."

Oh, he's getting excited.

"Furthermore, were the Freedom Flotilla to dock in Gaza, Arab governments would be severely embarrassed. After all, if a few hundred people can break the siege and help rebuild Gaza, why can't some of the wealthiest nations and largest armies?"

OH! And there it is, "Attack Israel." The underlying message is clear.

"Unfortunately neither of these options bode well for the Israelis, option one for the obvious public outcry that will spill out as a result of 800 people stranded in the water. And although option two would be smarter from a public relations perspective, it would be an indirect admission by Israel that its policy of collective punishment and continued siege is flawed, not to mention illegal."

Yeah, I wish you would not mention "illegal" again. Look, this guy is a shill. Just like all the shills who support the Israeli side, he's one for the Palestinian one. I'm tired of fucktards like this meddling in things and making it harder to come to an understanding.

What will happen, I predict, is that he will be discredited by the end of the week and will have embarrassed so many trying to actually do something in Gaza.

[civilisation]

36. There where 700 people on board, and they all tell a similar story,.

You are funny HEyHEY,. the quotes you snip-snip here sound like simple analysis of a political situation the reporter is reporting on. The blockade IS ILLEGAL and morally indefensible. Why are you fixated on one mans view of a larger event? There where 700 people on board, and they all tell a similar story,. Your hope that this one man will be discredited and that will somehow leave Israel smelling of roses is sad, and shows how blinded you are by one sides propaganda. Why defend ethnic cleansing and terrorist violence done by a state that is publicly racist and non-democratic. Any 'religious state' is a blight on the world. Suport all peoples freedom to move anyware on earth and live free of violent oppresion. End the nation-state system of top down control of people through boarders.

[EFerrari]

37. Not to mention,his on camera reporting was obviously skilled

and professional.

[HEyHEY]

45. I know 19-year-olds who can appear skilled and professional on camera

That's just shallow surface stuff, the fact is, by reading his stuff I question his integrity. So what if 700 other people were there, they all share his view.

Getting entrenched with one side's beliefs is the first thing you do if you want to be a poor reporter.

[HEyHEY]

44. Because he's perverting his position as a journalist to push his own adgenda

SUre, the blockade may be indefensible, but it's not his job to tell, it's his job to show.

[WillyT]

40. Kick !!!

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