REAL Democrat to Challenge Obama in 2012?

[24EvelJustin24]

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I encourage your discussion on this issue. Someone needs to challenge Obama.

Grayson?
Dean?
Kucinich?
Pelosi?
Sestak?
Franken?

[timefortherevolution]

1. GET SPITZER ON THE LINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[liberalmike27]

2. Second Time I've Heard Spitzer Today

And I've got to say, I'm wondering why? Isn't the old sexual scandal going to create problems just off the top?

[timefortherevolution]

6. He's strong enough to overcome it.

And since Wall Street despises him, that's reason enough.

See the movie Client 9.

The corporate powers went after him with a vengeance.

[JDPriestly]

31. Spitzer v. Gingrich would be a great contest.

Neither could criticize the other's personal morality.

Spitzer would make an unbeatable candidate in my opinion. Depends of course. If his story is: Here is a guy who was truly "saved" in that his personal life has completely turned around. If that is really his story, he could win. He is so articulate, can explain complex thought in concrete terms that ordinary people understand. He has a charismatic personality and is gracious. Although born very wealthy, so far, he appears to have a certain compassion for ordinary folks. And most important, he loves to take on Wall Street. They are terrified of him. I know that for a fact.

[mr_smith007]

44. I'm with you on Spitzer.

Besides, the only people that care about his past are the holier than thou nutjob evangelicals. Progressives and, I would guess 75% of independents, simply don't care about that because it is immaterial to his ability to govern. You get all of the self-identified Democrats and 75% of independents and you have an easy 52% to 55% of the electorate! Spitzer is both brilliant and bold, two things that this country desperately needs. My god he took on Wall Street, a set of cajones like that comes around maybe once every other generation.

[Weird Liberal Head]

3. Keith Olbermann

Young, intelligent, and populist.

[floriduck]

4. Howard Dean

That fact that Obama wouldn't give him an administrative job after Dean led the party to overwhelming victories in 06 and 08 speaks volumes. Rahm didn't like Dean so he was left out. I say get him in so he can fight the fight Obama chooses not to do.

[Weird Liberal Head]

7. I Like Howard Dean...

...but he's getting old. We need a younger challenger to Obama, if we get a viable primary candidate. Someone like Keith Olbermann, Ed Schultz, Rachel Maddow, Alan Grayson...

[Steve_I_Am]

10. Draft HOWARD DEAN in 2012!

[elzenmahn]

35. RUSS FEINGOLD!!!!!!!!!

Feingold/Dean in 2012, anyone?

I'd vote for that!

And they would DESTROY anyone or anything the TeaPublicans throw in their way.

[EnviroBat]

53. HOWARD DEAN!

[TheEuclideanOne]

5. Damn, Justin, haven't heard you so negative.

In short, Obama is so fucked! I can't think of one person that I respect who is not singing the same tune. When you start losing all of the people who were formally your champions and were making very intelligent, very educated arguments on your behalf, you are basically on the road to no return. I really have to wonder just what Obama is thinking. I am really amazed at just how he managed to make every possible mistake you can make. He left no stone unturned on that one.

I have to say, as much as I am disappointed, it really pains me to think of replacing him in 2012. I will admit it. Yet, I really think that it has to be done. Maybe every time I look at Obama I think....he is going to change completely....somehow.... and tomorrow we will see a completely different guy at the helm. At this point, after losing so much in the last election, there is really not a whole lot that he really can do now...even if he wanted.

Personally, I was most upset to see Grayson and Feingold lose their seats and I think they would both be phenomenal. I also like Dean, Kucinich and Franken. They are the few politicians that seem genuinely interested in helping the country. I would love to see any of them run and would campaign for them.

[timefortherevolution]

8. Look at it this way. He doesn't change—he's always acted like a Republican

[FedUp_Queer]

36. I've begun to wonder if he's not basically a GOP mole...

a Manchurian Candidate.

[TheEuclideanOne]

42. No, that is silly

Actually, maybe if you just started listening, you might wonder that I suppose. But if you have been listening to him for a while, you would have a different opinion. In addition to that, I have heard others that normally try extra hard to side with Obama who are now ranting against him. If I decided to record videos on YouTube 2 years ago, I would probably have the same history.

[dbmk]

9. Why does someone need to do that?

Serious question.

I don't understand the logic.
Its better to challenge and lose the presidential seat than having Obama take another term?

Its really an honest question. I would like to hear the thoughts behind it and some thoughts on the expected results.

At least before I can accept that "Someone needs to challenge Obama".

[activa8tr]

52. What Obama has given away to the Republicans in less than two years ...

should be enough to convince you that he's a Republican by now, but if not, here's a few reminders.

He got Bob Dole's Health Insurance Reform Plan passed.

He gave up on a public option in health care, NO "Just what the people in Congress have for health insurance"

He gave the drug companies the right to continue ripping us off.

He challenged the court on a stay of DADT

He gave Republicans a huge tax cut for two more years AND a campaign issue for 2012

He allowed fat cats on Wall Street and in banks to keep their bonuses with OUR TAX MONEY subsidizing their corporations.

He appointed Eskine Bowles and Alan Simpson to give him a "deficit reduction plan" that turned into a middle-class working people's benefit reduction plan, with promises of more tax breaks for the rich.

He continues to defend our role in Afghanistan, despite all the evidence that we are making little or no progress,massive corruption, and in Iraq, we see that the people there can't form a true democratic government without massive corruption either.

Where's the "CHANGE"?

[breadandwine]

11. Al Gore won't run. His marriage went bad.

Grayson would need a base in a state, not a district he just lost.

[Charleston Chew]

12. I just don't know.

What the hell is a "REAL Democrat"?

[Charleston Chew]

13. I just don't know.

What the hell is a "REAL Democrat"?

[NorthCarolina]

14. Sanders/Schakowsky in 2012. nt

[timefortherevolution]

15. Sanders won't run.Schakowsky---she's tough. I like.

[maritzasolito]

16. Obama works like a..............

We want Bush back!

[avaistheone1]

48. We've got him.

What would Bush do? Extend tax cuts for the rich.

Obama has gone even further right than Bush in his betrayal of our civil liberties. Some constitutional lawyer Obama is!
:grr:

[quark219]

17. "DINO." Good acronym; certainly applies to Obama. Thanks. (N/T)

[pgodbold]

18. WELL DONE! K&R!

[humanityisfree]

19. Anthony Weiner!

He is the most articulate and best able to easily counter the mindless barbs from the right - and he's a real, capital D-Democrat!

[Steve_I_Am]

55. I was thinking about Weiner this A.M. . . .

If not President, certainly VEEP!

[SkyDaddy7]

20. SUICIDE!

There is no one in the country who could beat Obama in the primary, period. All it would do is help the GOP which seems to be what many want to do as some kind of punishment for lack of "purity". SAD!

[timefortherevolution]

22. Lack of purity???!!

Have you seen Wall St. Bonuses while they kill us with obscene interest rates?
Have you seen any let up on home forclosures?
How much as the unemployment rate gone down while corporations keep their Bush tax cuts.
How about DADT?

PURITY?
He's not even a democrat!

[SkyDaddy7]

24. You are mistaken Obama for a politcal god...

who can just do what you want him to do...Not so.

EDIT TO ADD...There is not a Liberal in the Country that could do better. It is one thing to sit on the sidelines & scream versus having to get congress to go along when it takes 60 votes to even debate stuff let along pass anything. Had the Senate worked on 51 votes then almost all of what you & I would like would have been done, PERIOD!

[demwing]

41. It does not take 60 votes to debate anything - that's a myth

It takes 60 votes to invoke cloture and end a filibuster. How many times have the Republicans filibustered the current congress?

Yeah yeah, current rules state that Senators don't actually have to speak in a filibuster, as long as there is a quorum. However, the Senate Majority Leader can impose the hard filibuster if he/she wants to. That's also a rule.

All Reid has to do is impose the long filibuster, and after a few hours, take a cloture vote. Then again an hour later. Then again another hour later, and again, and again, till the Republicans break.

It doesn't take a god, just a senate Leader with a fucking backbone.

[Lorien]

25. Suicide would be NOT challenging him in the Primary

there's no way for him to win re-election at this point. He pissed away the enormous amount of goodwill he rode in on after the election. He's done.

[bitchkitty]

57. +1000

[sirthomas66]

29. He just raided Social Security!!!! The funds that people need for

retirement will have been diminished by his actions should this pass.

[FedUp_Queer]

37. Ok...F*** YOU!!!! How about we are sick of a

pro corporate compromising shill who won't stand up for anything and gives up the store before he even gets to the negotiating table. Obama's supporters are starting to look exactly the way Bush supporters looked. Facts just didn't matter.

[Lorien]

21. Your video is already all over Facebook

The American Progressive Party and several of my friends have posted it an hour or so ago. So far just about everyone seems to be saying "Amen! I'm in"!

[Radical Activist]

23. Batman, The Green Lantern.

Might as well throw those names in since this is all a fantasy. No REAL Democrat would challenge Obama.

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[timefortherevolution]

33. Then we're doomed. There is zero enthusiasm for this DINO

[Radical Activist]

43. lol

[southpaw]

26. Dean

Had his primary campaign not been targeted by annihilation back in 2003-04, he could likely have shut Bush out of a second term. His leadership helped the Democratic party take congress and the white house.

I'd love to see Dean finally get his due.

[LBJDemocrat]

28. Spitzer

Draft him.

[The Hitman]

32. I like presidents who don't bang hookers

Sorry for having such high standards.

[FedUp_Queer]

38. Yeah. We'd rather have a president who pimps himself out to Corporate America

and sells out the middle class.

[timefortherevolution]

39. That's for taking that one! I was thinking that the country

got f---ed like whores under the Bushes and we didn't even get paid.

[suzanner]

30. Damn good post, EJ.

I wondered how Obama got past the primaries in the first place, when Dean or Kucinich were so much better. That still seems fishy to me.
I'd say in order: 1. Howard Dean (he doesn't cave under pressure and shows good judgment, can identify pure crap) 2. Kucinich (he is genuine and also a good strategist)
We do not need another facilitator like Obama. Useless. I think you can find an episode segment of Red Dwarf about facilitating- http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5WgUktfdDy4

[mmonk]

34. Bernie Sanders

[humbled_opinion]

40. How about you EJ

You sound passionate enough on the issues, more succint then even our supposed great communicator in chief.... go for it...

[tomm2thumbs]

45. SPITZER here too - something to really vote your conscience for... /nt

[grumgrum]

46. K&R

[grumgrum]

47. Feingold, Weiner, Grayson, Dean, Sanders, Spizter -- Problem is the US wont vote for a Jewish man

Yes they voted a black man in but i think voting a Jewish man into office would be harder since America seems to pride itself as being Christian. So i think Weiner, Spitzer and Sanders stand no chance -- what a shame. That only leaves Grayson and Dean which i think are BRILLIANT attack dogs!

[Barbara2423]

49. I really like Spitzer, he & Grayson are Democrats willing to fight

[julian09]

50. I like Sharrod Brown Weiner

Brown Weiner ticket

[Steve_I_Am]

56. Removed by Member

[WhoIsNumberNone]

51. Kucinich will never win

He has a smokin' hot wife, but he's short, doesn't have dashing good looks, and isn't a dynamic speaker. Much as I like him, the sad truth is that swing voters always go for whoever looks best on TV, and he's just not charismatic enough. (When was the last time we had a troll for President? Not since the advent of moving pictures, I can tell you that.)

Pelosi couldn't win- She's been the focus of a non-stop smear campaign for the last four years, and she'll be 72 in 2012.

I would like to see Grayson or Franken run- Franken youi have the same hasn't-finished-his-first-term issue you have with Obama (Which takes away a talking point if he's running against Palin, or gives one to the Gops if it's someone else.) So my first choice would be Grayson.

[activa8tr]

54. Justin comes back strong and sure. I think Justin is about as smart as

the man we THOUGHT we elected.

Actually, Justin is much much smarter, and more dedicated to the common man, because he comes from a family of the common man, not someone who went to Harvard Law School.

Justin for President in 22 years, (when he's old enough and everybody else has heard about his wisdom!)

Justin's brain is MY brain...I hate what the President we worked for, campaigned for, rallied for, contributed to...I hate what he's done. I still love him as a man who overcame so much to become President, but I disagree and hate what he just did, just as Justin does.