The Revolution Has Started

[Joanne98]

Run time: 02:03 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7QfyktN9MM   Posted on YouTube: December 12, 2010 By YouTube Member: MistrBrit Views on YouTube: 301   Posted on DU: December 12, 2010 By DU Member: Joanne98 Views on DU: 6760

 
cveitch: The Battle for Parliament Square - Student Riots 2010 London
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQdYxX...

Resistance Radio: http://www.resistradio.com

music: La Roux - In For The Kill (Skream remix)

[snappyturtle]

1. Well, I just had my rec nullified. Whoever you are don't you believe

what you just saw? Reminds me of a violent scene in Dr.Zhivago...without the sabers.

[EmilyKent]

5. There is no revolution.

Just a bunch of yobs having a tantrum in the street.

[fascisthunter]

10. "yob is a slang term for an uncouth or thuggish working-class person"

uhuh.... that's one way of looking at them I suppose if one wanted to try to illegitimize this movement.

[EmilyKent]

11. There is no movement.

We've had riots before, and we'll have them again...it's not like it's new.

Yob, chav...uncouth thugs, period.

[fascisthunter]

12. lol...the cops are the thugs here

and you are their support.

[EmilyKent]

13. Only one group was rioting.

That tends to bring out the police.

[olegramps]

37. Like the "riots" at Kent State? I bet you really enjoyed them if you were out of diapers.

[snappyturtle]

14. Your tantrum is someone else's revolt. nt

[EmilyKent]

15. No, it's criminal behaviour.

The UK is a democracy.

They just had an election, and this is who got voted in by the people.

So everyone has to abide by the choice they've made.

We can't have riots by select groups everytime the govt makes a decision. It's just not on.

[snappyturtle]

16. Well hang on because you may be seeing 'criminal behavior'

here in the U.S. due to government decisions....it's on for many of us.

[EmilyKent]

17. Won't happen in the US either.

DU people are upset by Wikileaks for heaven's sakes and that only requires simple typing online, so nobody is going to riot in the streets.

[RKP5637]

20. I lived through the riots in DC and I remember well the burning of DC. It's very

real and it does happen. And it's not pleasant.

[EmilyKent]

23. Happens everywhere.

But it's not a revolution.

[RKP5637]

24. That's an excellent point!!! n/t

[MNBrewer]

44. would you be able to identify one if you saw it?

[snappyturtle]

45. "Upset" by Wikileaks? I am elated that undeniable evidence

has been exposed! Wikileaks has provided a backdrop for civil unrest.

Please avail yourself of the mountains of material available to learn about the loss of freedoms U.S. citizens have endured since 2001 plus the lies put forward for two wars, the loss of lives, the growing economic gap between the classes,loss of jobs to Nafta,et.al., etc.,the destruction of labor unions, the failing education system,etc. THOSE are only some of the collective reasons people will end up on the streets. But, Wikileaks? "No".

Many, many have nothing more to lose by going to the streets and many more will go along because 1)of empathy for those who have lost so much and/or 2)of fear they, too, will lose all they've got. It will take longer in the U.S. due to the geological vastness and greater number of people. Unless the tide turns back in favor of 'average' Americans we will take to the streets. What I fear the most is not the people rebelling against the government but a civil war between the polarized factions.

[tpsbmam]

76. You think DUers are just upset about WikiLeaks? You clearly haven't been reading

DU or you simply choose not to get it.

[MrMickeysMom]

18. Keep thinking those happy thoughts EmilyKent...

[EmilyKent]

19. Isn't me who needs to think them.

It's people on here with fantasy ideas about revolution while watching music videos of British punks.

[MrMickeysMom]

21. You place too much emphasis on who the "people on here" are

There are some people who, like I was back in the days of the war in Viet Nam, were not fully cognizant of "what's going on" until years later,

but surely, you aren't so naive to suppose it's democratic what is going on across Europe, with the United States not far behind... that the result of global financial terrorism (yes, terrorism is the correct word in my book) doesn't lead to this...

that the world banking system and their ability to bankrupt entire countries while pushing through austerity programs wouldn't find its way down to finally enrage the middle class by effectively squashing all but the the high wage earner to get into higher education.

I doubt that we in the US are as fed up... we are too corpulent and dull brained from Fox News and the fact we don't read. Right now, it's the canary in the coal mine. Open your eyes and quit assuming everybody's just engrossed in watching punks, getting high and saying "wow"...

[EmilyKent]

22. It's no different than any other time in history.

You are just tripping over ideology.

[MrMickeysMom]

25. That's a nice thought...

... if it actually had meaning, but it doesn't, because you fail to engage in or know the primary issue.

Go find something to read...

[EmilyKent]

26. There is no primary issue.

Just a lot of people with anger-management fantasies. Armchair revolutionaries.

[MrMickeysMom]

27. Right Emily... whatever

Goodnight.

[reggie the dog]

75. when i trip it is usually on lsd

[reggie the dog]

69. the usa is

more fucked than most EU countries by the global finance and corporate elite, even after austerity programs the welfare states here are still much better than those in the usa

[Can of Whoop-ass]

35. British punks

are tomorrows American Republicans

[reggie the dog]

68. there may have been a few punks there

but there were also hip hoppers, hippies, clasical music fans, you know a whole cross section of students.... punks do like to riot,but they are not the only ones

[guzzie]

28. Well educated are you Emily ?

Read the Gulag Archipelago ? No - you have not. A popular revolution for and by the people led to 27 million dead.
Familiar with German National Socialist Party ? In fact - Emily - are you familiar with your own stinking governments activities over the past couple of centuries - 13 million dead in India, 500,000 dead children in Iraq ? Was that VOTED FOR ? Elected - WTF ? Seriously what do you think democracy is - A FRACKING VOTE ? Are you serious- are you that naive that you think democracy is a vote and then silence ? A single ballot on day every four years ? Seriously.....

Democracy is self rule - got that. governance by the populace - everything. It is not an election and then some fracking free for all - how incredibly naive and stupid can you get.

Democracy is about representation, about community involvement, legislating to represent the ethics, morals, zeitgeist and will of the populace - not - absolutely NOT self interested political parties serving their own interests - go and read and educate yourself. Democracy is self rule and governance by the people - ALL THE TIME - not some of the time, not when it suits, and absolutely NOT to force people to endure absolutely ridiculous legislation because they VOTED for a party - that is simply the most distilled, simplistic, mis-reading of democracy i have ever, ever read. Go and Read John Keenes teh History of Democracy - he is was the head of the Centre for the Study of Democracy at Westminster University London - he knows what hes talking about, hes from your country and I think - I think Emily that one vote every fours years is about as far removed from what DEMOCRACY is as you can get.

Seriously - embarrassing.

[EmilyKent]

30. Yes. And yes.

And the US isn't the Soviet Union. Neither is the UK.

You vote at election time. You don't get to remake the entire system, according to your current views, every week...because you can't run a country that way.

A bunch of middle and upper-middle class kids in England, intermingled with the violent Black Bloc, Trots and general anarchists wrecking and burning things, and looting shops, is not a revolution.

Yes, you are seriously embarrassing yourself.

[reggie the dog]

70. your class bias is showing through

middle and upper class kids.... i think the upper class kids mostly dont give a fuck about tuition prices as their parents can just pay more. the middle class students have more to fight for as they cant easily pay three times as much money
now for the class you did not mention, working class students, i am sure they were well represented in the streets that day as the working class kids will have the hardest time paying so damn much to get an education.

[smiley]

82. pretty sure you're the one who is embarrassing yourself.

your ignorance to world politics is showing through.

[civilisation]

40. Well said,. real democracy is NOT just voting when called!

EmilyKent is presenting archetypal defeated prol view that the ruling banksters love! Yes it is sad, and even more pathetic. Having no idea what democracy is, perhaps EmilyKent should not spout gibberish like "You voted, now sit down an take it", while the Thieving banksters rob you and your children by piling on debt for the monies they stole,. Corporate banksters are systematically taking resources that belong to all of us; privatizing all gains and socializing losses,.. is that democracy? If you really think so you are truly dead.

[reggie the dog]

77. the defeated prol view does not go with the word yob

they used the word yob which leads me to believe that they are part of the upper class. saying yob or punter is an upper class way of basically saying something like nigger to mean member of the working class, it is an insult...

[jotsy]

42. Well said

and welcome to DU.

I'd say never mind local members of the faith in fascism crowd around here, but it ain't my place to say.

[tpsbmam]

78. Excellent rant, Guzzie! Welcome to DU!

:hi: :fistbump:

[Odin2005]

29. All revolutionairies are by definition "criminals" to the old regime.

I'm sure folks in Britain considered the Boston Tea Party a criminal act.

[EmilyKent]

32. Well since there isn't any 'regime-change'

the UK students will get to be considered criminals now and in the future.

[Baltimore]

43. Online forums

Wouldn't you be happier in an online forum like "The Conservative Home?"

[Wednesdays]

61. There wasn't any regime change in North America during the Boston Tea Party, either

In fact, there was no official regime change until the Treaty of Paris in 1783.

[abelenkpe]

65. Those students are your future

you'd be well advised to invest in them. Try not to be shocked when they cut off your benefits and kick your aging ass to the street if you don't.

[olegramps]

38. If it were up to you we would still be living under the King of England.

Are you really that vapid?

[Wednesdays]

64. Indeed...Charles I and James II might have something to say about that

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride%27s_Purge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glorious_Revolution

[jonthebru]

55. Uh huh

And you wrote the "rulebook?"

[Jakes Progress]

63. Deja Vu. I could swear nixon and agnew said the same thing.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

66. "this is who got voted in by the people"

Like bu$h in 2000 and 2004 you mean?...

[reggie the dog]

67. you kill a man your a murderer

you kill many and your a conqueror

you kill them all and your a god


we won our independence in my 2 nations by revolting against the established powers, in the usa the boston tea party is an example of this, in france the terror is an example. the liberal dems did not present themselves as the party that would triple tuition prices, one could expect the torries to do that, but not the liberal dems... why does england charge people money and seek to make profit off of having an educated population? while in scotland universities are free for all but the english....

[olegramps]

39. Without a revolt you would still be worshiping the King.

Oh, I forgot you still are. Sorry my error.

[reggie the dog]

71. they had revolts in england

cromwell, the glorious revolution and the like

[rhett o rick]

41. Interesting choice of words. Says a lot. Let's just let them kill the yobs. nm

[reggie the dog]

72. yob is a word used mainly by priggish upper class twats

[ooglymoogly]

58. There is no EmelyKent.

Just a bag of crap with the states hand up its ass, controlling it like a puppet.

[Jakes Progress]

62. That's just what the assholes

who create the problems that lead to riot and revolution want you to say. They spend millions on media to convince you that its the protesters who are the problem. In the early sixties, television was full of the "riots" caused by those commie negroes in the south. We have all seen the video of the fire hoses and billy clubs. But at the time, much of the commentary that was voiced over those pictures praised the hosers and clubbers for helping to put down those lawless radicals having their tantrum.

Same as it ever was.

[socialist_n_TN]

79. Well, I guess that answers that "Whose side"........

question. :)

[SharonAnn]

74. Exactly! That's what I thought when I saw this or read about "kettling".

[Iterate]

2. Not available in Europe

UMG seems to think it owns our culture.

[tomg]

4. I can get it in Florence. nt

[midnight]

3. K&R for mainstreet.

[dotymed]

6. By God

I am ready. I am tired of the oppression and soul-killing of the PTB. Santa, please bring us a peoples revolution. Make us victorious. This nightmare has to end.

[RKP5637]

7. Devouring the students, so oppressive, they just want an affordable

education. Next will be the Kent State murders of students. It's all a matter of degree. This is a major stain on the future of a country, assaulting students wanting an affordable education. The tuition increase is ridiculous.

[timefortherevolution]

9. Thanks for summing it up. You're right...its about kids wanting affordable education!

[John Kerry VonErich]

48. It actually came close.

When Camilla was hit.

[Speck Tater]

8. Revolution, real revolution, is messy, bloody, violent and ugly. It's not a music video children. nt

[Odin2005]

31. Long Live the Revolution!

:woohoo:

[sciencewins]

33. K&R nt

[Starry Messenger]

34. k&r

[Riley18]

36. America will join them if there is any spine left here.

What will we do without Social Security? They already took most of our other safety nets away starting back with Reagan. I cannot believe people who have been out of work so long that their unemployment benefits have run out cannot get welfare. How long are we to suffer so that the superrich can enjoy excess luxuries?

Also, that our government leaders are still using that tired old line about how if the rich live tax free, then we will see jobs created. What total bullshit.

[PFunk]

47. I think america will join them in 10 years.

It just depends on how long it takes before it's citizens reach "that point". And those here in power know this and usually try to push it right up until "that point'. Unfortunately decades of TV/RW talk radio has raised that point way higher than it should be. But we also now have those in power who (for whatever reason) eventually will push it past that point. And that's when you start to see some real change happen.

[John Kerry VonErich]

49. The difference.....

Citizens can own guns here unlike UK where guns are illegal. Not even the uniformed cops can possess one.

[cpwm17]

56. Unfortunately, the gun owners tend to be authoritarians

And they listen to Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and FOX News.

In our last revolution the authoritarians worshipped the king. So that just worked out fine for us, since the king was on the other side of the ocean, and the revolutionaries didn't have to compromise with the crazy authoritarians who were on the other side.

Perhaps a revolution wouldn't work out so fine this time, though we're really a long way from that now.

[Loki]

46. We are all yobs now.

And I prefer it that way.

[elias49]

50. My intent is not to trivialise discussion here but

was anyone else awed by the footage? The camera angle was great....to watch the motion of the forces...
almost like something you see in movies. Except it was obviously very real.
The way the crowd parted when police on horses rode through.
Pretty amazing.

Anyone know who shot it?

[RSillsbee]

51. Am I in the right place?

I thought I logged in at Democratic Underground not Infowars.com Prison Planet

[ooglymoogly]

60. No. nt

[DeSwiss]

52. RESIST!

K&R

[Arctic Dave]

53. FYI. If you are ever charged at by a horse, grab the bridle

and hang on.

[The Midway Rebel]

54. What do we have for entertainment?

Cops kickin' gypsies on the the pavement.

Don't stop long enough to start.

[abq e streeter]

81. Magnificent

[Javaman]

57. I thought it wasn't supposed to be televised. nt

[Wednesdays]

59. Kicked and Recced...but,

wake me when the revolution starts anywhere on this continent. Anywhere. Even Mexico City would do...

[Name removed]

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[Swampguana]

80. Get it, when theres that many people upset and making a stand somethings not right

pretty simple.

[Resistance Radio]

83. Thanks

Thanks for posting my video!