Gaddafi as a young man (1969)

[Dover]

Run time: 03:34 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2RmB2ul_5U   Posted on YouTube: September 05, 2011 By YouTube Member: ArabMusica Views on YouTube: 3169   Posted on DU: October 27, 2011 By DU Member: Dover Views on DU: 1689

 

[MADem]

1. Fascinating footage. Funny, I remember him back then, but I did not remember

him as having those movie star good looks. The years were very unkind to him, and he didn't help himself with the hair dye and the absurd clothes.

[octothorpe]

2. He looks so normal in that footage..

[Dover]

4. charismatic too...n/t

[Dover]

3. I saw a picture of his son the other day (I think the one that turned himself in)

and he looks much the same.

[tabatha]

6. No Gaddafi son has turned himself in.

[Dover]

8. Well he offered to turn himself into the Hague

(Reuters) - Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, who once vowed to die fighting on Libyan soil, now wants to face international justice instead and avoid any chance of meeting the same grisly end as his father, Libyan officials said.



http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/26/us-libya-idUSTRE79F1FK20111026

[tabatha]

9. More Reuters BS

The ICC knows nothing about it.

Remember when Saif was captured - Reuters BS.
Remember when Saif and Moussa Ibrahim were captured - Reuters BS.

[JI7]

7. Fidel Castro use to be good looking also, but Gaddafi ended up looking like a total mess

almost like those old women who have plastic surgery, botox and everything done to their face. and the way he acted changed also. with those strange outfits and everything.

[tabatha]

10. He did have plastic surgery.

But he refused to go under anesthetic - so it was a botched job.

[MADem]

11. Fidel can still pull it together, with a shave and a suit instead of those

dorky Mark Spitz-ish tracksuits. He at least didn't get into the obvious dye jobs. He might not be motivated, but he could probably still pull off the "sharp-dressed man" look.

Poor Qaddafi looked like he got a face lift at Joan Rivers' doc!

[jakeXT]

12. Never got the girls like guys in uniform thing

All I can say is, from my personal viewpoint as the young and idealistic 14 year-old Pakistani girl I was when the dashing Col. Muammar Gaddafi arrived for the 2nd meeting of the Organization of Islamic Countries (OIC) in Lahore, Pakistan, in the spring of 1974 when a whole generation was as green as the grass of Lahore’s numerous parks, the man represented hope for the third world against the imperial West –and what a package that hope came in! He looked good, tall and handsome in his military uniform ( even though we knew better than to trust dictators in the guise of soldiers but we were girls of a certain age after all, and prone to romantic swoons at the figure a young man in uniform cut in front of our dazed eyes!)–and he sounded even better—that potent mix of revolutionary zeal combining the best of Islamic ideals of economic and social justice with the even headier language and concepts of western socialism. We all believed he meant what he said—we so wanted our leaders to stand up against the tyranny of a capitalist world order that was clearly dividing our world into one of haves and another of have-nots. And despite his descent into megalomania and crazy behavior, I ‘d still like to believe he retained some vestiges of that early promise. Yes, he died in a manner unbefitting a hero….but then, he had ceased being that to many in his country. But to others, both within Libya and elsewhere, he encapsulated the image of the resistance fighter, lobbing ill-advised and even insane comments and braggadocio at his militarily superior enemies, someone who some of the time at least, spoke truth to power. And perhaps for that, he paid the price.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/10/24/muammar-gaddafi-in-memoriam/

[tabatha]

14. Counterpunch?

[MADem]

16. That's an interesting perspective piece, too.

Fawzia Afzak Khan brings back the whole idea of the guy's promise (and I am of the opinion that, back in the day, his looks didn't hurt his credibility at all, in fact, they afforded him more of a hearing than he otherwise would have gotten) --and the sad kooky reality that eventually ensued. I do think it's pretty clear that bullets -- not an airstrike -- killed him, though the airstrike served to impede his escape.

The main thing I'd take issue with her on is the Lockerbie thing--he can't have his cake and eat it too on that one. He ordered it, he admitted it, he owns it. Qaddafi was Libya, Libya was Qaddafi...so that parsing he was doing in the Islamic sphere (and getting away with, apparently, as she still hadn't quite caught on) just doesn't cut it to my mind: http://articles.cnn.com/2003-08-15/us/lockerbie.delay_1_sanctions-lockerbie-terrorism?_s=PM:US

[tabatha]

5. President of Sudan

President of Sudan said: "Gaddafi has two personalities. Both of them evil."

[jakeXT]

13. as quoted by the Iron Lady

"President Numeiri of Sudan is said to have remarked of Gadaffi that he was 'a man with a split personality - both of them evil'. -- Margaret Thatcher, P. 234

[tabatha]

15. I don't care who reported what the President of Sudan said.

He said it, and Sudan's actions in the Libyan conflict seem to support that statement.

It has recently been revealed that Sudan helped the rebels because of what Gaddafi's interference in Sudan did. Some of the most heinous crimes in Sudan were carried out by the people Gaddafi supported. So they were glad to see him go.