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Sun Nov-11-07 09:42 AM
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| "I will stand and fight for you" |
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Sun Nov-11-07 10:25 AM
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is the full speech anywhere? I missed them!
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Sun Nov-11-07 10:32 AM
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| 2. It was a great speech by the Senator. Thanks for posting! eom |
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Sun Nov-11-07 11:04 AM
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| 3. As usual, she says nothing. |
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Doesn't matter whether you look at 55 seconds or 4 hours of speeches. Clintons never say anything of substance. We have no idea what she would actually do in office. We do know she has no intention of changing the health care system. And she doesn't offer any clear positions on the war. Is there any subject she has been clear about?
There are good candidates out there stating clear positions on things. Why would anybody support the candidate whose strategy is to say nothing?
OK, I can understand a person not wanting to roll with Kucinich. I agree with him almost all the time, but his positions are too strong to win election. But it seems to me that Edwards, Obama, and Biden have all been 100 times more specific than Clinton, and they are all highly electable.
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Sun Nov-11-07 12:43 PM
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| 4. She is absolutely clear and unequivocal on one issue, |
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she wants to be President.
BTW, what was her response to "The Question"?
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Sun Nov-11-07 03:41 PM
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| 6. Lobbyists are real americans too.. she was crystal about taking their moneys |
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Sun Nov-11-07 07:29 PM
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| 9. Could not have said it better. |
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Sun Nov-11-07 03:39 PM
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| 5. "I will stand and fight for you" HRC's message to wealthy lobbyists. |
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Gimme that cash! yea... politics is great, scrub my back I'll scrub yours!
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Sun Nov-11-07 07:22 PM
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| 7. I will stand and fight for you |
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It doesn't make any difference what she said your a Hillary hater and nothing she says will change your mind your just another republican enabler
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Sun Nov-11-07 07:27 PM
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| 8. "I will stand and fight for you" is empty words nothing more... |
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Edited on Sun Nov-11-07 07:37 PM by rAVES
well unless you use it in my context.. then its the truth.
btw: I do not hate Hillary, I just think the time for empty leadership has past. a new direction is needed.
she is not what America needs at this point in time, perhaps if Al Gore has been president the past 7 years it would be ok to have a filler president, but he wasn't, its going to take a firm leadership, with real morals and a backbone to stand up to the Corporations and do the bidding of actual Americans.
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Sun Nov-11-07 07:49 PM
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It's not about hate.It's about representing the American ideal...not the corporate one.I am not a supporter of any of the current flock of frontrunners.Who among these favored few,would well represent the common man?.....none.
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Mon Nov-12-07 01:26 AM
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Maybe those guys are just liars. But they have been hard at work speaking in great specifics about what the "new American order" has done to the average person and the whole concept of the American dream. They have identified the key things that are broken in our system today and have presented specifics about how they would address those issues.
Clinton has done none of that. Like her husband, if elected, she would be 90% on the side of the fascists. That's a 10% improvement from the current situation, so I guess we are supposed to be thankful for that.
And why the f--- is Iowa deciding who should be the Democratic nominee? It makes some sense for the GOP to go that direction, but Iowa is unlikely to vote for our candidate in the general election anyway, so why should they have ANY say, let alone this disproportionate say about whom we nominate. That's just another aspect to our system that is completely broken.
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Mon Nov-12-07 08:06 AM
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I'd go for Kooch,...Edwards?Not happening.
I won't vote for anyone who supported that POS Patriot Act.All the front runners voted for it.If we are looking for candidates who can be trusted to safeguard our liberties,then NONE of the frontrunners should get any support at all.This current crop of front runner candidates lack a real desire to protect the Constitution.
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Mon Nov-12-07 03:01 PM
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| 13. I agree with your principle |
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But nothing is gained by taking an all-or-nothing position. I definitely believe at this stage that people should support the candidates that at least make an effort to speak to our principles.
What I was suggest, not in so many words, is that Edwards or Obama are very much in the running to be the nominee, whereas most people don't give Dennis a chance. I'm not saying anybody should pull support for Dennis. What I am saying is that it makes no sense to me that anybody who cares about the principles of the Democratic Party would be supporting Clinton at this stage. She is about as far removed from our principles as one can get without being in the GOP.
*IF* she gets the nomination, I will support her because she is only a 90% fascist and she would be running against a 100% fascist.
But really, folks. We can get a better deal than that.
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