Ohio Election was stolen - More Dead Cause of Ohio - Neil Young Cover

[ThirdChoice]

Run time: 06:02 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSdvsJKzmN0   Posted on YouTube: November 14, 2007 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: November 14, 2007 By DU Member: ThirdChoice Views on DU: 4053

 
Cover of the Neil Young song, "Ohio" with new words, exposing how Ohio was stolen, which led to more deaths from this senseless war in Iraq.

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[pnwmom]

1. That was really well done. But I'm curious about Neil Young's involvement.

Was his music used with permission? The only copyright notice is for the lyrics, so I wondered.

Welcome to DU!

[Acadia Blue]

5. probably just used his music.

[Mnemosyne]

6. Parody needs no permission. :) Great video! n/t

[ThirdChoice]

17. Nope...

Unfortunately we didn't work with Neil Young on this. Would of loved to though!

[ThirdChoice]

19. We're hoping to get this up on Neil Young's LWW site!

We're hoping to get this up on Neil Young's LWW site! Since this is one of Neil's songs, we would love it to go up on his site. We also have another song called "Innocents" up on his site, dedicated to the Innocents caught up in wars. I am going to post it on DU for you all to check out.

[lame54]

25. Congrats - it's on Young's LWW site

http://neilyoung.com/lwwtoday/videolinks/videolink_361.html
http://neilyoung.com/lwwtoday/index.html

[WritersBlock]

2. Chilling. I'll send this in response to the next "protecting our freedoms" email I get. n/t

[babylonsister]

3. Rec'd. nt

[pnwmom]

4. K & R. n/t

[datavg]

7. Whether Or Not...

...Ohio was stolen, the Democrats wouldn't have needed Ohio if they were able to win a few southern states.

This is why we went to war. This is why we have a new creditor friendly bankruptcy law. This is why we now have Roberts and Alito. This is why we have No Child Left Behind. This is why we have the Patriot Act.

You could even make a case that next year's recession stems from the elections of 2000 and 2004 because Greenspan's monetary policy might have been different under a Democratic administration. And make no mistake...there's a nasty downer coming. Everyone's talking about it.

Bill Clinton failed to carry Florida in 1996 and still easily won the election. Why? Because he was strong in the South.

Look it up.

And guess what else? He's DLC. So is Hillary...

...and that's the one thing I see people rebel against most in this forum.

By that rationale, pulling the party to the left almost never succeeds. It's never worked before. Truman pulled to the center, not to the left. It didn't work in the fifties. Kennedy's economic policies would make him a Republican today. It didn't work in 1968 or 1972. It didn't work in 1980, 1984 or 1988.

Even Roosevelt was only able to win in 1932 because the business community rallied behind him. A graduate student confirmed that for me when I was in college, fifteen years ago. It's a known fact.

Only when their nominee runs as a moderate do the Democrats enjoy success. This year will be no different.

I'm wondering how many true believer lefties will stay home this year. Hillary has the nomination locked up and is supposedly considering Ted Strickland (governor of Ohio) as a running mate. Strickland is a pro-life, pro-gun rights Democrat who also happens to be an ordained minister. Whew...

[rhett o rick]

13. Please please tell me your definition of "lefty". Many get called lefty that oppose torture, that

want the Patriot Act and MCA repealed, want habeas corpus reinstated. Shame on those that try to marginalize those of us that support the rule of law and the Constitution by calling us "lefties". If supporting the Constitution is lefty then count me in. And shame on those that will compromise their principles to win an election.

Please, what are your principles?? How do they different from the "lefties"???

[Truth2Tell]

21. It's never worked before ??

Pulling the party to the left worked just fine for FDR. And it worked fine for Carter also - that is until the neo-con's buddies in Saudi Arabia decided to smack down our economy for the Bush crime family.

It's just ignorant to think that we have to act like corporatist Republicans to win elections. That's the big lie the Republicans and their allies in the DLC want us to believe. That way they know they'll always win, even if they lose.

[RufusTFirefly]

8. Whoa! That's not THE Brett Kimberlin, is it?

Kimberlin was the guy -- made famous in a series of Doonesbury cartoons -- who allegedly sold coke to J. Danforth Quayle, whose brain really didn't need any further frying.

[Sam Ervin jret]

14. Mr. Fly on The Wall "Firefly" You should know it's those insiders who know best

what goes on in the "belly of the beast" The words in the song show no lack of clarity or logic to me, unlike the presidents foreign policy.

[troubleinwinter]

16. Yes THE convicted serial bomber, sentenced to 50 years in fed prison,

setting off one of his bombs in a school parking lot bowing off a man's leg while a schoool sports game was being played, successfully sued by the widow of one of his victims for $1.6m, sef-confessed drug-smuggler, notorious con-man/liar - subject of the book "Citizen K: The Deeply Weird American Journey of Brett Kimberlin" by Mark Singer of The New Yorker:

"This book relates a journalist's worst nightmare: of getting deeply involved in a "big story" based on information from a single source who turns out to be a world-class liar. During the 1992 Presidential campaign Singer wrote a story for the New Yorker about the allegations by Brett Kimberlin, a former marijuana dealer then in prison for a series of bombings, that he had once sold marijuana to Vice President Dan Quayle. (The cartoonist Garry Trudeau was another journalist who pushed this story hard.)"

"A book about a true psychopath...

Singer does an excellent job of portraying this madman from his beginnings... in the "Speedway Bombings" of the late 1970s to his accusations that he sold pot to Dan Quayle... Singer's subject is someone that you should be afraid to meet on the street and he does a great job explaining why and how... "

(Mark Singer) "He's still out there seeking attention and manipulating people"

[ThirdChoice]

20. To Troubleinwinter....

Troubleinwinter, -- you actually are buying into this slander? Do you also buy into the Swift Boating of John Kerry?? Kimberlin was Swift Boated before that even became a household word. He used to sell pot to Dan Quayle. Who owned the Indianapolis Star and News? Qualye’s family, and those papers ran literally hundreds of stories about Kimberlin to taint him forever in the eyes of people like you who seem to believe what you read in the MSM. And do you know what happened with George Bush Sr. ran for re-election—Dan Quayle did not campaign because the Bush campaign was terrified he would be asked about buying pot and using coke. And you know who tipped off the world that there was a DEA file on Quayle—right, it was Kimberlin. And when the DOJ tried to cover it up, Kimberlin gave it to the press and DOJ attorneys got fired.

So he was given a 50 year sentence. Gee, why do you think he’s not still in prison??? Well, it’s because his conviction was tainted by, among other things, the testimony of six hypnotized witnesses, testimony that is no longer allowed in criminal courts. No fingerprints, witnesses, explosives or other hard evidence. So his sentenced was shortened and he was let out. And then he sued and got a big settlement from the DOJ.

And the great New Yorker writer Mark Singer – you wonder why he is no longer a best-selling author? It’s because of his hit job on Kimberlin –we was sued by more than a dozen people over that book because Singer lied, misled them and slandered them. And what do you think happened? Well, Random House killed the book after one printing, stopped the paperback publication, and then Singer settled the case for big money and gave up the rights for a movie. And now no one wants Singer to write books anymore.

So you think Kimberlin’s a psychopath? Do such people make anti war videos and write music? Or find Diebold machines and give them to Princeton scientists to prove that viruses can rig elections? Or register to vote tens of thousands of young people? Or run two non profits, with dozens of staffers and volunteers, and work with many members of Congress and well known names who write articles about election fraud? Or get the Wellstone Leadership award.

You of all people should know better with over 1000 posts on DU. But here you are in full glory sounding like the right wingers who call Valerie Plame and Sibel Edmonds “psychopaths” because they dared cross the Bush family. Well, many years ago, Kimberlin went through what Plame and Edmonds have been going through. That is what you need to understand. Kimberlin is a committed activist for a progressive and enlightened world. For you to slander him among friends is truly shameful.

[troubleinwinter]

22. Wow. This is sad. Or Good.

Brett, (you don't mind if I call you Brett, do you?) Kerry has nothing whatever to do with the subject at hand. Nor does "swift boating". Nor is there any evidence of a "DEA file on Quayle".

Yes, a 50 year sentence in federal prison for setting multiple bombs in our country. "Gee, why do you think he’s not still in prison???" Oh, duh, because the laws at the time gave him parole, which he (you) VIOLATED twice I think, returned to prison, most recently released in 2001.

"six hypnotized witnesses" WTF? Wanna tell us something about that?!

Fits in pretty well with Kimberlin's (your) 'story' of how there never was any trial at all, just being railroaded by right-wingers because you wanted to make music??!!! (BTW, I noticed that you have scrubbed your site of that BS, since your lies were exposed... I'll dig it up from archives)

"(Kimberlin) sued and got a big settlement from the DOJ." Bullshit. Show it.

You are a liar, a bullshitter and a faker. You offer nothing at all to back up your bullshit.

Have you paid on the $1,600,000 judgment against you by the widow of your victim?

Why, as a convicted mass drug smuggler with a website directed specifically at YOUTHS, is the top link on your site to a place that instructs on illegally growing weed?

Sad to think that you still think you can bullshit everyone, and sad to see Brad's involvement. Good to see that you are here and will answer some of these questions. Sad that Larisa didn't look deeply into the subject and lost credibility with many.

For you to compare your lying, serial-bomber, opportunistic self to Valerie Plame and Sibel Edmonds, the genuine heroic truth-tellers and true courageous patriots, is revolting in the extreme.

[Yellow Horse]

23. Brett is fighting election fraud - hard. YOU are fighting him. Who's the more productive??

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2358825&mesg_id=2360919

[OnTheOtherHand]

24. that remains to be seen

Giving a free pass to everyone who is "fighting election fraud - hard" is a pretty high-risk strategy.

If Kimberlin admitted to the crimes he was convicted of, or if he had more compelling arguments of innocence, either way I would be a lot more comfortable. As it stands, I trust him about as much as I trust Larry Craig, except that I have no reason to think that Craig killed anyone.

[troubleinwinter]

27. I appreciate your linking to that thread.

The thread asks the question about who we (in the movement towards election reform) should associate with. The question is posed whether we should associate with a relentless sociopathic liar unrepentant violent criminal.

It is up to each to weigh these matters. I choose to not hook my horses to racists, liars or unrepentant violent criminals. DU folk sometimes promote repugnant people/organizations because they have ONE issue in common with our goals, and ask us to ignore their racism or other views that we abhore... "for the greater good" on one issue. I will not hook my horse to a LIAR serial bomber.

I will not hook my horse to a LIAR serial bomber who promotes himself because there are other honorable, genuine, activists who do real work. Serious work on the issue. People who don't make videos and don't lie. People who do the real work.

If you think Kimberlin, the opportunistic sociopathic liar con-man, is doing anything at all towards the cause, by all means send him a check. But if you care about the cause, there are a number of genuine organizations that do not have an unrepentant sociopath as their front-man and won't spend the money on a new Mercedes Benz.

Thank you again for the link. It's an interesting thread. Too bad you only linked to one single post with opinions that have exactly zero backup at all. I guess you could have linked to the OP to encourage people to read the entire thread discussion but you did not. Why?

[Blue State Bandit]

9. Sad but true.

k-n-r

[Rainbowreflect]

10. And do we believe 2008 will be any different from 2000 or 2004?

We cannot have a real election until we have fair elections.

[orleans]

11. wow. powerful. k&r.

did anyone check out that website?
http://velvetrevolution.us/

[Highway61]

12. Whoa

Some facts in the beginning I did NOT know about. Well done.
Welcome to DU :hi:

[No DUplicitous DUpe]

15. Well Done...A must see.

K & R!

[WheelWalker]

18. k&r

[Peace Patriot]

26. Beautiful and heart-wrenching video! Many thanks to its creators!

But it wasn't just Ohio. The "trade secret" voting machines, with the "trade secrets" owned and controlled by rightwing Bushite corporations, were installed almost everywhere, on a rushed basis, using a $3.9 billion electronic voting boondoggle, passed by the Anthrax Congress, in the same month as the Iraq War Resolution (Oct. 2002).

Anyone think the Bush Junta possessed this magical new power of disappearing/changing thousands of votes at a time--a few lines of code, a couple of seconds, leaving no trace--and didn't use it?

There is plenty of evidence that they did. I think Ohio--blatant, visible vote suppression in violation of the Voting Rights Act--was extra, to overcome a landslide against Bush/Cheney, or in case the election theft machines didn't worked as promised (I'm not sure which--maybe both). This pervasive capability of massive vote theft needs to be emphasized, along with the outrages of Ohio. Being for the most part visible--or at least traceable--those outrages have remedies. They are like vote stealing and repression we've seen before (more massive but similar in nature). But "trade secret" code is largely INVISIBLE (except for the touchscreens where people actually saw Kerry votes changed to Bush votes). The "trade secret" code is in all the electronic machines--the optiscans, the central tabulators, the scanners used to put absentee ballot votes into the riggable system. There is no defense against it. You can't warn voters to be alert for it. You can't pack the polling places with monitors to prevent it. There is nothing to see. The best remedy is to get rid of the machines. The next best remedy is a ballot for every vote and a 100% handcount, as a check on machine fraud--if people want to keep pouring billions of dollars into these corporations that brought us Bush, the Iraq War, and a ten trillion deficit. I say, run them out of town on a rail--and get your money back! But our party leaders want to compromise on optiscans (which at least have a ballot), cuz they're beholden, I guess. A 55% handcount (as they do in Venezuela) would probably catch any fraud (but they also have OPEN SOURCE code--anyone may review it). The absurd 1%, or--in many places--ZERO percent that we do now is an INVITATION to fraud. Would Bushites turn down that invitation? Would global corporate predators of whatever species spurn the chance to crown the emperor and give him/her a real corporate-friendly, war-funding Congress?

You be the judge.