Charles Barkley: Republicans/Conservatives = Fake Christians

[Hamlette]

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And to think, I thought Barkley was an idiot. Not so. He gets it.

[ForeignSpectator]

1. Barkley is really good but what's up with the way Blitzer frames his

questions?! "Are you comfortable saying that" and all this... wtf? And the "Governor Barkley" tagline is for what? To ridicule him?

CNN = politics lol

[Subdivisions]

6. I know, right? It was kinda Orwellian, as in

"Are you comfortable saying that because I know people that may have a problem with you saying that." I mean, he sounded as if it's no longer socially acceptable to say such a thing, as if it were taboo.

It just makes me reach for my tinfoil hat.

[trthnd4jstc]

9. Blitzer is not Human either

Blitzer seems to be a Reptilian operative.

[Raster]

43. Let's call Wolfie just what he really is: a corporate shill and tool in journalists clothing.

Wolfie is the poster child for everything that is WRONG with the Corporate News Network and the way they have handled politics in this country. Can you f'ing believe Wolfie trying to harangue Barkley about his views concerning "fake Christians?"

KUDOS BIG TIME to Charles Barkley!!!

[defendandprotect]

48. No fan of Wolfie, but I took it as almost a recognition that there are some

very vindictive Repugs out there ---

Let's hope that Barkley has smooth sailing from here ---

And, if anyone isn't paying attention to what's going on in America, I think he well pointed
the way ---

[muyojoe]

2. WAY TO GO BARKLEY

I'm glad he said it, because I'm a Christian and I ask myself the same thing about the Christian wingnuts in this country. It is like they read the bible and take a fascist slant from it.

[Hamlette]

14. my theory is they do not read the Bible

or if they do, they don't think about it. The Bible is a very violent book. God is very violent and kills a whole lot of innocent people (and critters and even trees!). Seems to me you have to say it is parable or you are defending a mass murderer yet the fundamentalists believe it.

So the question is, does the bible make them think mass murder is acceptable?

[LiberalLovinLug]

19. Definition of a Christian

I am not a practicing Christian although I grew up in a true blue bible-thumpin house. So I know a bit about it. Yes the Bible is a very violent book etc.. But what a Christian is is someone who follows Christ's teachings (hence the term Christian) from the New Testament where he rejects all the hate and violence and intolerance of the Old Testament. There actually is a progressive organization of Red Letter Christians taken from their spotlighting the usually red-printed letters of Jesus's actual spoken words in the New Testament. Repugs are heretical in their claim to be Christians, they seem more to follow the Old Testament in which case they are followers of Judism NOT Christianity. But saying your a Christian just has a better ring to it don't it? Here's a list of Christ's teachings. See if any of them fit the modern day Repug:

• love thine enemies
• do good to those that hurt you
• turn the other cheek
• do unto others as you would have them do unto you
• its easier for a camel to get through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven

Do what Jesus did which is:

• Someone who helped prostitutes and lepers
• who kicked the capitalists out of the temple
• who said give unto Ceasar what is Ceasars and to God what is Gods (separation of C & S)

That is what a Christian is supposed to stand up for. Personally I don't think a REAL Christian would last two weeks as President. Well he/she's never even get close because of all the lying and smearing that has to go on just to get there. So I wish all delegates for president would just admit they cannot possibly be both, but that's never going to happen.

[ihavenobias]

26. There's something that bothers me about dismissing the Old Testament

It seems like people (I'm not saying you specifically, I'm speaking generally) keep the parts from the OT that they like but if something comes up that they *don't* like they dismiss it as being from the Old Testament.

For example, all of the crazy stuff like how it's an abomination against God to eat shellfish or to wear clothing made of mixed fibers. In other words, it's abomination to eat lobster and wear a cotton/polyester blend shirt?

I'm an agnostic so I'm not sure how anyone trusts the validity of a book that has such blatantly absurd writings, but I realize I'm in the minority. At any rate, what about the 10 Commandments? Don't they (supposedly) create the moral foundation for Christians and don't they also come from the Old Testament? How can anyone reconcile those things?

In closing, I've always found it amusing that there is a "New Testament", as if God created Bible 1.0 and Bible 2.0 (and in a sense The Koran could be considered to be Bible 3.0). You'd think he'd have ONE special edition Bible that would last all time but maybe I'm asking too much.

PS---This letter points out just what I mean WRT the OT (and it's pretty funny): http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/drlaura.asp

[bulloney]

28. Where I live, that's how Republicans think in general.

They call themselves "pro life."

During the election season, they'll post signs in their yards saying stuff like, "You can't be Catholic and vote Democrat," implying that any pro-choice person is not worthy of being Catholic.

Yet, the Vatican has come out against things the Iraq war and capital punishment. Yet, somehow, you can be Catholic and vote for candidates that support the war and capital punishment.

"Cafeteria Catholics" is what I call them. They just pick and choose the issue or issues that back their pre-disposed Republican ideology and ignore the rest. That in itself wouldn't be so bad if they weren't so beligerent about supporting Democratic candidates for president and other offices.

[TalkingDog]

36. I don't know of any place in the New Testament where Jesus specifically says

-I reject the teachings of the OT or the pronouncements of my Father.-

There are questions as to whether he agreed with contemporary interpretations of Biblical law.

As for shellfish or pork. Well, if you view it in a modern context, it does seem silly.

But try living without refrigeration or anti-helmetics (parasite killers). Shellfish become toxic rather quickly without refrigeration. Which is why they pretty much flash freeze them on the boat. Pork can carry all sorts of disease that are more easily transmittable to humans than goats, sheep or cows. (swine flu anyone?)

As for mixed fiber...who knows. It could be a slap at a nation or tribe or culture they wanted to reject. Social propaganda in other words. If you actually read the 10 commandments, a few passages after that, God instructs Moses on the proper way to worship him. In these directions, God forbids the use of worked stone (carved) in the temple as an altar.

This was just after Moses led them out of bondage in Egypt. Where the Jewish people had spent generations carving stones for all those freakin' pyramids. A connection? Maybe, maybe not.

But as an example of how this works.... I live in the S.E. I have a winter scarf I've had for years. It fits over my head and then wraps around my neck. Until the past couple of years, no one has ever commented on it. But now, when I wear it in my circle of acquaintences, they start making genuflecting motions that they think reflect a Muslim call to prayer. And they ask where my burkka is. And frankly being olive skinned, with dark hair, I get stares from strangers as I walk down the street.

So anything that remotely smacks of the "other" is rejected and creates discomfort. I have a feeling that mixed fibers might fall into that category.

And just so we're clear, I'm not a Christian, Jew, or Muslim. But I don't see that as a reason to mock them or to reject the positive and uplifting things they say or do just because, like everyone, they do things I don't understand or agree with.

[CherylK]

38. Did you read the Dr. Laura letter?

Interesting stuff!

[ihavenobias]

39. It's more than interesting, it's actually very telling IMO

http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/susan/joke/laura.htm

May 2000
Dear Dr. Laura,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?

i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted disciple and adoring fan.

[TalkingDog]

40. Read it, laughed at it and sent it around a few times. n/t

[LiberalLovinLug]

51. Clarification

"I don't know of any place in the New Testament where Jesus specifically says
-I reject the teachings of the OT or the pronouncements of my Father.-"
Posted by TalkingDog

I never said Jesus rejected all the OT teachings, but this one example of his new directives:

"Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also (Matt. 5:38)".

Seems to me them Republicans are living in the past. And probably a good many Democrat Christians. It's damn hard to be nice to Bin Laden after what he did on 9/11. I find it only human that you'd want some revenge. But just don't call yourself a Christian if you turn your back on your faith and call for blood though!

But when you think about it, wouldn't that take a bite out of young muslims hating America and turning to terrorism and bolstering al qaeda like has happened, if old Uncle Sam had decided to send over economic aid, investments, jobs at decent wages to third world muslim countries in response to 9/11 instead of 40,000 'shock and awe' bombs? Maybe call for a pot of tea with Mr Laden to discus what he and his ilk have against us? Try and work something out. Hmm maybe JC was onto something.

and I'm an agnostic if I had to define myself. I admit I could never live by the Christian rules. (the REAL Christian rules)

[muyojoe]

56. EVEN MORE TO THE POINT

How did the Christians win over the romans? Did they invade their country and bomb them? No, they turned the other cheek. Their faith was so strong, that they would stand in the arenas praying while they were fed to the lions. You can't win someone over or even prove that you are on the side of right by killing their family and friends. That's why what we are doing is so un-christian, that it is unbelievable.

[Mithreal]

53. The new testament is supposed to be the new promise from god.

The old testament and many passages of the new testament are dismissed by some as having been specifically directed at certain tribes, nations, groups of people, in a given time. So, food restrictions can be explained away as lack of refrigeration, lack of preservation, lack of proper cooking methods, whatever.

So, my point is that when there exists a conflict in the bible it can be and often is explained away as being true for the time and culture. So, a lot can be dismissed even by literalistic believers.

I was watching the beginning of Zeitgeist and if I can run a lil with the ideas there then maybe the new and old testaments are better explained as mythical stories that are part of the Age of Taurus (OT) and Age of Pisces (NT) that we live in now. If I can indulge further, we won't need Bible 3.0 until the Age of Aquarius.

FWIW, I am an agnostic also, but was raised Lutheran and was a strong believer until I found many of my questions were better answered by science. I was taught dinosaur bones were placed in the ground by the devil to test one's faith and that the pope was an anti-christ, crazy stuff, I know, but that isn't even a snowflake on the tip of an iceberg of the craziness I was taught. Thank America for the University of Michigan, I got past my programming.

[muyojoe]

55. VERY GOOD QUESTION AND POINT

I am glad you brought it up, because living in the bible belt down here, I don't get to present my point of view often, without feeling like I might be lynched.

The old testament is a collection of stories formed, inspired, or plagiarized by jewish temple priest. Their whole system was completely oral at one time, and so they would not lose their identity they decided to right them down. So from my point of view, the old testament is quite interesting. I however am not a jew, so I don't take it as law.

Since I am a Christian, not necessarily practicing but saved, I believe that Jesus was placed on earth by God to teach us his will and represent God to us and vice versa. Unfortunately, most of the disciples were illiterate, (fishermen, etc...) and the collection of books used for the bible was twisted by the church at the time of its choosing to put together one book, so that it presented certain views that benefited it and maintained or expanded the Church's power. The early Christians had no priests and worshiped anywhere no church required. Meeting together to discuss Christs teachings and sharing companionship and resources to benefit all was what was paramount.

Having said that, I believe you can read the new testament and get a good sense of Christ's message. As mentioned, he shunned no one, he stayed with tax collectors, acknowledged and helped whores, tended the sick, and as mentioned threw out those making money in God's name. In other words, love each other, take care of each other, respect each other, believe in me, and thats all.

I also a taoist, I've read several versions, including one to correlate it to Jesus's messages, and don't really see any conflicts. Amazingly everywhere in the world a major religion sprung up at one time or another that promoted the same basic laws to help us get along. Unfortunately three religions worshiping the same God from the same area of the planet are too often twisted and used to divide, when that is not their purpose.

[ihavenobias]

63. See, that's just it, if huge chunks of the Bible have been twisted how do you really know

which parts are from God and which parts are man-made?

IMO, the only *honest* answer is "you don't". People *want* to believe that the passages from God are A, B and C, but for for all anyone knows they could be part of A, none of B and 1/3 of Q.

So again, it goes back to far too many people picking and choosing the parts they *want* to agree with while ignoring those that they don't. Also, again I have to ask, why didn't God himself create one giant Masterbook? Why in the world would he make things so incredibly confusing, if not downright contradictory in his own instructional manual? It just opens things up for mass confusion, manipulation and outright dismissal...after all, for agnostics and atheists, a clear, consistent (and more logical) book may well have convinced them long ago.

I realize there are some good general morals in the Bible. Don't kill, don't lie, don't steal, etc. But how many people (including believers) really even understand or agree with the 10 Commandments, the bedrock of Christian moral principles?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments

If I'm being honest, the first four just aren't that relevant and we'd be much better served by replacing one of them (2 or 4 for example) with "treat others how you would like to be treated". I realize there are other places in the Bible where it basically says this, but again, the Ten Commandments are supposed to be THE ultimate moral guide for most (or at least many) Christians.

[Mithreal]

52. There have been others, but Jimmy Carter is one REAL Christian.

Lying and smearing are bad, I will give you that but words don't kill even though they can kill campaigns.

I don't agree that a REAL Christian wouldn't last. A candidate who isn't willing to sound a lil aggressive about defense, as an example, wouldn't get elected but those are just words. Certainly part of loving thine enemies includes a willingness to talk with them, right? If one of the current presidential candidates really is, then he or she is soon going to have a chance to prove it, right? I don't put much faith in words, but actions I do.

Our glorious leader is no REAL Christian but what he is, is an American Kristian Fascist. Bush has done more to fracture Christianity than I would have thought possible, even more so in my eyes than the endless splitting of denominations. His actions and the actions of many churches that support him have caused me to despise American Kristianity. Compassionate Conservative faith in action is a malignant cancer on this nation.

Raised a Lutheran I was taught that hypocrites existed but they used to do a good job of hiding their hypocrisy. Not anymore. Greed, arrogance, and selfishness, to name a few have been taken to extremes and embraced, not rejected. You can't call the hypocrites out because my mom says you mustn't judge others.

Jesus would be considered to be a dirty hippy to our compassionate conservative friends, certainly not fit to lead or be CIC. Christians are ordered to see Jesus in every less fortunate person but the Republicans act like only god and prayer should help, not government when you are in need. Republicans have voted for failure and proven their governance will fail miserably.

I am now an agnostic, but any REAL Christian I would consider a friend and wish they would stand up in their churches and throw out any bums behind their altars and the Kristian hypocrites in government. There are too few REAL Christians. Strangely many atheists and agnostics live lives closer to REAL Christianity than those in the pews. Of course, at least where I grew up, atheists and agnostics were most despised. Hypocrites I was told, at least had their butts in the pews on Sunday.

Bush put Americans in a place where they need to defend Christianity, a very sorry state to be in and unless there is some real Reformation in Christianity I think it will continue to rot from within. It's pretty ironic that churches and many christians think that science, abortion, gays, atheists, Islam, society are the enemy when the REAL enemy is themselves.

[AlbertCat]

66. The Walrus was Paul

What about Paul...that complete psychopath who felt so guilty about his past he thought we should all feel guilty. That's New Testament BS too. Original sin...what a crock! Paul has more influence than Jesus!

It's best to just not give any ancient superstitions and notions too much influence in your life.

[H8fascistcons]

24. Riddle me this Batman...

Who is the largest mass murderer since the begining of man? God! He made it rain for 40 days and 40 nights and drowned everyone on the planet, minus two...

[TalkingDog]

37. Two ???? What two....????

Noah and his wife and all those sons and daughters in law.

Man, to be such Bible haters, the folks on this thread sure know very little actual information about the subject of their bigotry.


Oh, wait...that's the definiton of a bigot.... Nevermind.

[Mithreal]

54. Could have meant to say except 2 of every kind?

Maybe give a lil break to newcomers? The point of the post was not that there were just 2 humans, and that wasn't even said though it was implied. And the mass murder post really wasn't on topic but whatever.

This kinda topic encourages heated discussion but isn't a reason to be impolite. But hey, I jumped down someone's throat myself last week about impeachment so shame on me too, and I apologized after.

I did laugh at the last line, I admit.

[muyojoe]

57. HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?

It comes from a bunch of written down oral stories told by jewish priests. In fact it looks like it might have been plagiarized from a true local story that occurred in a valley in that area, not the whole planet. If you want to talk about a horror story, I don't like the one were God sent a bear to kill 42 children for calling a old man "bald head." But I don't take the Bible literally, I watch the history and discovery channels. I don't consider it a good weapon to prove God's existence or non-existence.

[springhill]

46. Yes.............

My religious wing-nut brother-in-law believes that aids, floods and the like are God's way of punishing us for our collective sins.

[ryanmuegge]

3. Barkley is THE MAN!

[No DUplicitous DUpe]

4. Nice! Way to go, Mr. Barkley.

Recommended. For sure.

[ihavenobias]

5. Big Rec! This inspired me to create a thread on Conservative Republican Hypocrisy In General!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2876228

Feel free to join in.

PS---I do wonder how much backlash Charles will get over this. Looks like we'll have to start sending a message to his employer that we support him.

[haele]

7. "Don't make me a role model" Barkley tells it like it is - simply

What's ironic is that in many ways he is a role model for young people - for personal honesty, self respect, self confidence, humanity and humor...and being able to succeed despite adverse conditions.
He's not easily fooled by words, he is a great observer and not easily corruptible. He'd make a good, though controversial, Governor of Alabama if the Olde Boys Network there would let him get that far.
So what if he's just a basketball player from a poor, small town?

Haele

[trthnd4jstc]

8. Fake Humans, Fake Americans, Fake Christians

Republicans actually are not Human at all, no they are Reptiles from some other planet, here simply to exploit the people and resources of planet Earth.

[KaptBunnyPants]

10. Fake Christians, fake politicians...

Look at their mansions and look at the conditions you live in.

[sloppyjoe25s]

11. Awesome that is already on You Tube

I loved that interview last night - Bravo Barkley!

[coco77]

12. Everyone always acts surprised when someone tells the truth...

everyone knows it but are afraid to say it,among other things I am so tired of this politically correct bullshit that is why this country is in the shape that it is in now.

[MrsBrady]

13. way to go Charles!!! Good luck in 2014. n/t

[Bolo Boffin]

15. Go, Charles Barkley!

I'm from Alabama myself, and I grew up thinking the same thing. I didn't see how someone could be a Christian AND a Republican. It just made no sense to me at all.

[theaocp]

18. It's no mystery...

You simply have to be an unabashed hypocrite. Problem solved. Being a liar with no morals helps, too. Cheers. :)

[hisownpetard]

16. I'm amazed at the way he expressed his views, and I agree with all.

:toast:
Good job, Charles!

[LaurenG]

17. He rocks in that interview. He just said nicely what I have wished I could scream

from the rooftops for years!

:bounce: :applause:

[maximusveritas]

20. I like it, but this kind of thing could haunt him in Alabama

I have a hard time thinking he'll be successful in running for Governor.

[99th_Monkey]

21. I loved watching Blitzer's hair stand on end about the "fake Christian" comment

he was visably aghast..., like asked Barkley "ahh.. are you sure you want to say that?" :rofl:

and Barkley repeats it with even more emphasis .. what a hoot.

[defendandprotect]

49. Yeah . . . and hope it gets people thinking about this "fake Christianity" ....

not that I don't think it is ALL a fake ---
but there are many people who try to live the ideals of a non-violent Jesus --

As Richard Carlin was sayin' ...

The "god" of the old Testament was a prick--!!
Jesus is the nice guy ---

[Joe Bacon]

22. American Christians = Soviet Union Communists

The ONLY difference between American Republic Party Christians and Soviet Union Communists is one word.

Where Soviet Communists used "Marx" American Christian Republic Party Members use "God".

Both Soviet Communists and American Christians want a single party that totally dominates every facet of society. Both believe in no individual liberty. both believe in recruiting informants who monitor every facet of everyone's life. Both go to their gospels to lay down their warped laws.

It's almost too late to stop America from mutating into the Union of Soviet Jesus Republics. 2008 is the last chance to stop Christians from imposing their Jesus Police State on us.

[pjt7]

25. Thank god somebody in this country speaks his own mind

"I don't work for them"... Charles Barkley

[Buck Power]

23. Go

Sir Charles, GO.

[nikto]

27. Barkley ROCKS!!

That statement took guts.
He may take a lot of heat for that, but God Bless him.

Nothing opens you up for criticism these days
like telling the frikkin' Truth!

Ofcourse, all the criticism will be from
POS rightwing Repug KKKonservatives anyway.
:):):):)

[Joey Liberal]

29. Barkley is right! n/t

[Divine Discontent]

30. I * LOVE * BARKLEY

I appreciate him, as always, standing up for GLBT. We are all children of God's and he has NO problems speaking the truth about the fake-Christians.

I would vote for him in a millisecond.

[bamacrat]

31. I love Sir Charles.

Cant wait till hes the governor. Glad someone in some type of spot light tells the truth.

[JoeySoCal]

32. Beautiful. Beautiful. And beautiful. And fucking brilliant.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

33. I love what he says. nt

[Ishoutandscream2]

34. Chuck is one great guy!!!!

And the audacity of Leslie - seeming so aghast about Chuck's statement on fake Christians. Leslie is another inside the Beltway, right wing tool.

[moblsv]

35. Way to tell the truth, Chuck

Now that's a role model. Speaking the truth.

[txwhitedove]

41. Bravo, Barkley!

[jackson_dem]

42. Charles always tells it like it is. We need him in politics!

[wake.up.america]

44. Slam Dunk!

[NJSecularist]

45. Charles always has been the man.

Always willing to speak his mind and tell the truth regardless of how controversial it is. I love listening to him every Thursday.

[underpants]

47. WOW Wolf really showed himself and the MSM there

Clearly the fear of reprisal is more important that stating your opinion or fact.

[defendandprotect]

50. Wolfie may have been acknowledging the vengefulness of the Repugs --- ????

[blondeatlast]

58. From his playing days at Auburn, Charles spoke his mind. I was THRILLED

when he came to Phoenix and will be sorry to see him leave. I'll be forever a fan, though.

WTG Sir Charles, as usual--and while on the subject, thanks for socking it to that self righteous Karl Malone last night at the ASG Pre-Game event. I could see the delight both you and Dr. J took in taking him down a nothch. :rofl:

[The Wizard]

59. Blitzer is a right wing tool

who belongs to the the American Enterprise Institute, a major Republican think tank. The Conservative News Network has others as well who actively work for Republican interests. The idea that they engage in unbiased reporting is absurd. They are Pox (deliberate typo) News is a different suit.
Objective reporting is not on their agenda.

[Joe Bacon]

60. Leslie Blitzer was a NOBODY till Pat Robertson made him somebody!

Remember that Dear Leslie was your typical cheap hack Presstitute until Pat Robertson started him on his TV career. Leslie always has been Pat's Presstitute!

[0007]

61. And here we thought that jocks were just simpletons.

Charles rocks!!

[Hawaii Hiker]

62. Way to go Sir Charles!!

"BARKLEY: Well, I think they -- they want to be judge and jury. Like, I'm for gay marriage. It's none of my business if gay people want to get married. I'm pro-choice. And I think these Christians -- first of all, they're supposed to be -- they're not supposed to judge other people. But they're the most hypocritical judge of people we have in this country. And it bugs the hell out of me. They act like their Christians. And they're not forgiving at all".

And I also like how he said he wants Obama, but will support Hillary if she's the nominee...He's going to vote Democrat EITHER way, & that's what we all need to do come November!....

[stlsaxman]

64. i may move to Alabama JUST to vote for Barley as Governor! n/t

[lonestarnot]

65. the wolfie pie hole resembles a ... well you know.