Has anyone noticed Skinner has changed the welcome message to this group?

[NJmaverick]

it was done today.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=388x1

[berni_mccoy]

1. This phrase has me bothered:

"Those who ... support his defeat in the 2012 presidential election (in primaries or the general election)...are not welcome in the Barack Obama Group."

Shouldn't those who support his defeat in the 2012 general election also not be welcome in DU?

[Fire1]

2. Indeed! That's contrary to the mission/objective of the

site as a whole, wouldn't you think?

edit to add: I still like the statement.

[NJmaverick]

3. Yes one would think that would be the case

Why allow people to use DU to work to defeat the 2012 Democratic Presidental candidate?

[get the red out]

7. If they want to defeat the President

If they want to defeat our Democratic President in 2012 they can go to fucking hell as far as I am concerned. DU needs to get its priorities straight.

[arcadian]

8. Eternal damnation for somebody who doesn't agree with you?

That's a bit harsh.

[berni_mccoy]

10. Haven't you been told to leave? You don't obey the rules. Take a hike.

[Peacetrain]

12. I think the poster is "trying" to get booted.. just a guess..

[berni_mccoy]

16. If only...

[Cha]

31. That's an ignored for me

but I appreciate your command to said ignore.

[rebel with a cause]

37. I agree.

If everyone puts him on ignore then his purpose here will be defeated and none of us will be in danger of losing our tempers with him and saying something that we should not. :shrug:

[Cha]

39. I checked..

to see who it was and it's one of the most hopeless whining cases on DU, so yeah, what's to not ignore? :)

[rebel with a cause]

41. Exactly.

I read the rules the other day and I have vowed to not say much back to these disturbers unless it can be considered funny, belittling without sounding angry, and a denial. I don't want to be tomb-stoned because of them.

[DevonRex]

11. Get the fuck out. nt

[Cary]

17. Give me a break

We've taken too much unnecessary and inappropriate abuse in the GD and GDP.

No pity.

[get the red out]

36. Honey, would you like some cheese with that whine???

Please, the “just because they disagree with you” whine is OLD. Get a new vintage.

[Arkana]

55. The website's for supporting Dem candidates.

If you're not going to support the Dem candidate then GTFO.

[DevonRex]

5. I agree but at least we have ONE place on DU that's a safe zone for supporters.

I think so anyway. We shall see how it turns out.

[berni_mccoy]

6. Yes, other than that phrase, I appreciate the update of the statement.

[Cary]

15. It's interesting that Skinner went along with this language

I agree with you as usual Berni, but this is still a nod to us here in the BOG. Before this I wrote 3 PMs to Skinner and nary a response. While this isn't a response to me, personally, I'll take it.

It's good news Berni.

:)

[Bobbie Jo]

19. +1

Indeed.

[NYC Liberal]

20. Oh definitely, but hey

since we can set our own personal mission statement to what we want it to be, why not make it *crystal clear*?

[angee_is_mad]

26. Those who welcome the DEFEAT of the President is welcome

everywhere else on DU? Now that calls for clarification.

[WeDidIt]

44. When Nader threads get over 100recs and are at the top of the Greatest

I'm beginning to think that the defeat of Barack Obama IS NOW the agenda of DU.

Sad.

Truly sad.

I think I'll just go now.

[Hekate]

4. Thank you, Skinner. We appreciate that clarification. nt

[dcsmart]

9. i think it is great. Says it all.

[Cary]

13. WOW!!!!!

I guess we aren't total outcasts here after all? :)

[DevonRex]

14. It's great that Skinner did this so quickly. I'm impressed and grateful.nt

[Number23]

48. Good point, Dev. He moved really quickly on this. That's an encouraging sign.

[NYC Liberal]

18. I had sent Skinner a message about it after this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=388&topic_id=8985&mesg_id=9364

Glad it was changed :)

[NJmaverick]

21. That was very accommodating of Skinner

and thank you for your hard work.

[NYC Liberal]

22. It's kind of sad that we need to be relegated to this corner of DU

But as long as we wait for the storm to blow over - if it does - it's good to keep it for actual supporters.

[NJmaverick]

24. agreed

[Cary]

25. I think we need to be here to stay

Especially if they don't like it.

[NYC Liberal]

28. I'm staying at least through November, when my star expires

and I'll decide then what I want to do. Until then, I'm here with fellow Obama supporters :)

[euphoria12leo]

29. Sounds good

But I sense an invasion is on the way. +1 now

:eyes:

[sandnsea]

43. Supporters of the Democratic President need a "haven"

on Democratic Underground, that was set up to support Democrats.

That's the part that really bugs me.

[goclark]

50. Right ~ I thought all of the forums were to have that as a rule

For some reason I feel like Rosa Parks, I can get on the bus if I sit in the BO Forum. : ) : (

Forgive me, I'm African American so I get touchie about being seated in one place in order to have a voice.

[DevonRex]

23. Thank you so VERY much for your work on it. It was perfect. nt

[Cha]

45. So it was worded just

like your request for our new Mission Statement?

So we have nothing to complain about.

It looked good at the time and still stands for our BOG..but the rest of DU will have to figure out what their Mission Statement is.

[NYC Liberal]

47. Yup :)

The reason I added the "or general election" part was just to make it abundantly clear that BOG is for supporters and supporters only. Anyone else can make their own group.

I actually went and looked at the other groups and modeled it on their mission statements, mainly the Hillary group's, the Kucinich group's, and the Edwards group's.

"the rest of DU will have to figure out what their Mission Statement is" Amen :applause:

[HughMoran]

27. That's cool

Nice to see it reflect the current situation as it exists today. It's a sort of stamp of approval as well - we have been acknowledged and our mission is clear. :)

[garagedoor]

30. A Little Bit of Good and A Little Bit of Bad

Yes, it's nice to have the mission statement clarified here. That's the good.

The implication that this site welcomes those who will wish for and work for the Democratic President's removal from office is baffling and seems contrary to the purpose of the site. Or, did I misinterpret the meaning of Democratic in "Democratic Underground." I thought it referred to the Democratic Party. I see I was wrong and it refers to those in support of social equality. That is the bad because I realize I am still in search of a site that is in SUPPORT of this President and the Democratic Party platform.

[NYC Liberal]

33. Hi, garagedoor

I agree with you, DU has always been a site where Democrats could gather and even if we disagreed one some issues, we were still all Democrats, or at least perhaps independents who supported Dem candidates. Even during the primaries, heated as that may have been, we were all Democrats.

It's disheartening to have to move to a small corner of the website. I mean, we aren't talking about some primary candidate here, we are supporting the Democratic president -- hasn't that been the goal of DU since its founding? Support all Dem candidates, sure -- But I always felt getting the White House was the ultimate goal and we got there! Yet now one cannot support Democrats without being flamed and attacked.

But welcome to DU ... and the BOG :hi: Stick around here for a while, this group is only going to grow, hopefully we'll only need to be here for a short while until things "settle down" - if they do.

[rebel with a cause]

38. I wish it was like we thought it was but

the DU mission statement makes it clear that DU is not affiliated with the Democratic Party, so I think we may be on our own on this. Like others, I will be here until my star runs out. Maybe by then things will be back to normal but if not, the site may become just another FR. I hope not. :cry:

[Cha]

42. Thanks for the encouraging

words, NYC Liberal..I say even when the other forums are not radioactive toxic to Dems that we hold a special place in our hearts for the BOG:patriot::patriot::loveya:

[Blue_Roses]

32. cool...

:D

[Cha]

34. Thanks for the heads up, Maverick.

I'm guessing that this part.. "support his defeat in the 2012 presidential election (in primaries or the general election), or who are generally supportive of those who do, are not welcome in the Barack Obama Group."..

"In the general election" means right now and when the general actual comes that DU will still support the Democrat(President Obama if all goes well) over the fucking republicon.

[OregonBlue]

35. I'm glad it was done but now I'd like to see a similar statement on LBN, GD, etc.

People who are not supporters of a Democratic administration don't belong on a Democratic board. They need to go over to FDL or Drudge or start their own anti-Obama board.

[DeepModem Mom]

40. Excellent!

:fistbump:

[graywarrior]

46. It's official!

We're all on the short, yellow bus....lol!

[janx]

49. I don't know about the last primaries, because I wasn't around

much for those (DU was toxic for a very long time), but during the primaries of 2004, Skinner had very specific guidelines for these groups.

It's strange, though. This isn't primary time. I'm glad he did what he did, believe me, but the fact that he had to do it is a bit disappointing.

[Cha]

51. Oh those crazy Obama supporters..

What are they gonna do next?..came out of nowhere to win the Dem primary and then the general and here they are with a President Obama who is doing tremendous work mopping up the bush cheney nightmare years and yet DU is being overrun with teabag marcher wannabes who're not giving one penny more and want to primary Obama in 2012.. so those Obama supporters want their own little primary forum back again, resusitated with a New Mission Statement and a current occupation for their leader, the ever durable Barack Obama:patriot::fistbump::patriot:

[Silver Gaia]

52. Excellent. Thank you, NYC Liberal , and thank you, Skinner. n/t

[still_one]

53. Thank you Skinner /nt

[sandyj999]

54. Thank you Skinner.

[Lindsey]

56. Well, it's very clear to me that DU is no longer DU. I guess I'lll

need to leave (except maybe for the lounge and the spiritual group). It would really be nice if we could figure out a way to create at real Democratic website that supports our Democratic President. I'm very disappointed that Skinner has let this occur-not acknowledging the disruptors, the Nader people, and everyone else who has ruined this site. No more donations from me, I'm done.