2 years ago those howling the loudest about HCR, including Kuch

[Peacetrain]

would have been dancing on the table tops when we get passed what is going to get passed. So PFFFFFTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT to those stuck on NO

[Cha]

1. Regressives of all types

sit on their thumbs while those who are passionate about progress are out getting it done.

[Peacetrain]

5. I just wish they would stop sticking their thumbs in our eyes!

But nothing is going to stop us now Cha.. not ever regressive's

[quiet.american]

2. When Obama first announced the healthcare push, I expected the nonsense from the right.

But the nonsense from the left leaves me shaking my head and wondering what is wrong with people.

Edited to add: it's really hard to listen respectfully to the rage thrown at HCR by the purported left because the criticism is not so much about the bill, but about tearing into Obama's character and motives, and with as much viciousness as those on the right. There also seems to be just as much deliberate distortion, misconception and misinformation about the bill disseminated from the left as from the teabaggers.

It's all just so insane. All this is about is protecting people from insurance companies and giving people a way to get insurance!

[Peacetrain]

6. Me too.. I am just shocked by people trying to tear down the platform

for what reason?

[azmouse]

3. StD is only on the side of StD.

I don't think he cares one bit how much good could be done by passing HCR.

[Cha]

4. And, because he is so disingenous

on HRC..I do not trust anything he says.

[Peacetrain]

7. My way or no way.. just another NO person as far as I am concerned

[Cha]

8. For a beautiful antidote..check out his pic..

at the link.:)

http://chipsticks.wordpress.com/2010/03/08/rainbow-warrior/

[Bobbie Jo]

9. It's easy to be so righteous

when you don't have to actually get anything done.

[CBR]

11. As the President said in his SOTU --

"Just saying no to everything may be good short-term politics, but it’s not leadership." It gets DK a few more mentions in the press and the deepening loyalty of his "cheerleaders"

[CBR]

10. There are more and more DK tribute threads popping up tonight...

truly nauseating.

[HughMoran]

12. It's kind of funny actually. "How dare you criticize St. Kuch, our fearless Romulan leader"

They really show how sensitive and bitter they are by flipping out any time he is criticized.

Rather embarrassing for them if you ask me.

[Cha]

14. But, they're right there anytime

there's a chance to dump on Pres Obama.

[HughMoran]

16. Rules: 1) Obama can and will be shit upon 24/7 2) Criticize Kuch and I'll flip out

You, you Nazi you!!!!!!1111111!!!!!!!!!!1


It's a sickness.

[RFKHumphreyObama]

25. And one standard applies to Kucinich and one to everyone else

When the Blue Dogs vote against HCR, they're traitors to the party/conservadems/Republicans and so on

When Kucinich votes against HCR, he's a principled hero of courage and integrity

When Kucinich expediently flipped flopped his position on abortion just a year before the 2004 presidential election, he got a free pass and taken at face value. Had Obama done the same on the same issue, I can guarantee you the reaction would have been howls of outrage

If President Obama had the same sort of non-existent success rate that Kucinich has in getting other members of congress to support his legislation, can you imagine what the insults and epithets would be from the Kucinich supporters?

But no, Dennis the Brave can do no wrong

[Cha]

13. The double digit Zero was on

some tv show, no doubt spouting how damn principled he is.

[HughMoran]

15. Countdown - and he was the most destructive to the Democratic Party I've even seen him

He was clear that he didn't give a shit if he was the deciding vote against healthcare reform. He'd rather we got nothing after 50 years of trying because we didn't get what HE wanted. Oh, and by the way, what he wants hasn't a snowballs chance in hell of passing. And there are a huge number of people right here on DU who could care less that thousands will continue to die each year due to no insurance. The all or nothing people are not Democrats, they are MEocrats. I'm sick thinking about how illogical their thinking is and how I have been putting off getting off Cobra for some time now waiting for reform to pass. Uggh. :(

[Cha]

18. He's ugly and he emanates it..just like

faux christians and their bullshit. Anybody can say anything but what's he actually done besides sit on his thumbs?

[Arkana]

17. There's a regular wankfest in GD about Kucinich.

I don't get the worship of a guy who actively works to kill a liberal agenda because it's not "pure" enough for him.

[Cha]

27. Because ..for one he's against President Obama

and they're clones.

[Drunken Irishman]

19. I think it's great when people stand up for what they believe in.

However, if Washington were all about principles and not doing what was best and reasonable, nothing would get done.

There is a reason Kucinich has not done anything in Congress in over a decade he's been there.

[Peacetrain]

20. Good question..

[HughMoran]

21. By implication, are the Kuchites also promoting a "get nothing done" philosophy?

I've always stood with Kucinich on the principals - I agree with him & admire him for standing on principal. But people like Kucinich (and his alter ego, Ron Paul), while normally harmless in a group of 435, can end up hurting or killing thousands of people when their inflexibility prevents critical reforms from passing that require a great deal of compromise to even pass by the narrowest of margins. There is a time for principled stands and a time for the greater good. In this case, Kucinich is working against the greater good of the American people and he deserves to be castigated severely for this.

[Arkana]

22. They seem to be operating under the idea

that Kooch would save the country if we would JUST ELECT HIM PRESIDENT, MAN.

Bullshit. If Dennis Kucinich ever made it to the big chair, his utter intransigence and complete unwillingness to give a little to get a little would bite him in the ass over and over. Congress would refuse to cooperate at ALL, and his fan club would turn on him quicker than spit.

[HughMoran]

23. How do you tell people who call you an Obamabot that they are being wildly hypocritical?

I've read what many of these people post on other sites. They have always supported Kucinich because they like his intransigence when it comes to compromise. Is it possible to live one's entire life without ever compromising? How do these people live in a family environment where "my way or the highway" is not an option? As I said above, I agree with Kuch on most issues and thus share his principals, but I also understand the words "compromise" and "pragmatism". Do you get that sick feeling in your stomach when thinking about such rigid people? I do.

[Arkana]

24. People seem to want a liberal Bush--a Democratic unitary executive.

I seem to remember candidate Obama campaigning on the idea that he WOULDN'T be that guy.

Those people heard what they chose to hear.

[Cha]

28. He's the one who is like bush..rigid lttle

dictaters. I feel like dennis is more selling himself than anything and I ain't buyin it.

[quiet.american]

26. I've contributed to Kucinich's campaigns in the past, not any more.

At this point, I don't care if he goes down in flames.

Last year, I read his OP in the Cleveland Dealer where he explained why he voted no. What I came away with is that he voted no because the House bill didn't eliminate insurance companies, and because someday the American people will realize that single-payer above all is the only way. Until then, "no insurance for you!"

To me, that reasoning leaps over the boundary of reasonableness, or principle. Kucinich does not represent a wealthy district. His constituents need HCR, and he's standing with folded arms.

[Cha]

29. Wow...I knew that was his attitude but

to see it in an oped like this says it all. He'd rather people die so he can have a perfect system now..not one that can be built on. It has to happen instantly..presto chango.

What a pathetic little man.