Juror: oral sex is not sex

[The Straight Story]

Juror: oral sex is not sex
Beeville man accused of sexual contact with a 6-year-old child gets 10 years in prison


A 28-year-old Beeville man accused of molesting a 6-year-old girl last summer was sentenced to 10 years in prison on Thursday.

Ten of the jurors wanted to give Edward Lee Robinson more time behind bars but one juror didn’t believe oral sex constituted sex.

“We really wanted him to get more time but I guess we have to be satisfied with 10 years because one juror insisted on no more than five years,” said Assistant District Attorney Deborah Branch. “She didn’t think oral sex was sex.”

Robinson faced a sentence of 5-99 years in prison.
Corpus Christi attorney Michelle Ochoa represented Robinson, who told jurors the little girl was a liar.

The 6-year-old girl testified and offered jurors some details of the event, Branch said.
The girl’s mother also testified as did a nurse who deals with sexual assaults, a member of the Child Protective Service, a San Antonio patrol officer, a detective with the San Antonio Police Department’s sexual crime unit and Beeville Police Sgt. Mike Willow.

http://www.bee-picayune.com/story1.shtml

[Hippo_Tron]

1. I'm gonna pre-empt the freepers and say...

It's definitely Clinton's fault.

[phildo]

4. Texas laws are real clear that when molesting children it includes any gentail touch to anus, mouth,

etc., etc. etc.

The juror was just being a jack-off.

May the blessings of Karma find that Juror.

[MADem]

12. That juror was using a left wing argument to advance a perverted agenda

And of course, if I had to bet, I'd bet the juror is a registered Republican.

Perhaps one with a Dildo Reilly attitude: The kid brought it on herself!!! She DESERVED it!!!

Oral sex may not be sex, but any contact by an adult with a child is ASSAULT.

Karma, indeed. It can't come round too soon, IMO.

[rocktivity]

2. THIS HAPPENED TO A CHILD, YOU IDIOT!

Oral sex with a 6-year old IS sex because it's RAPE. He should have gotten at least twenty years!

:headbang:
rocknation

[Big Pappa]

14. LIFE

n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

31. That is so sick and what would posses a person to do such a thing to a child?

[Maat]

3. As a former Child Protective Services social worker .. (retired in 2000) ...

I got to say ... THIS is the stupidest thing I've ever seen, and some D.A. did a crappy job of explaining Life, the Universe, & Everything to this juror. Upon reading further, I guess he tried, through the witnesses. Maybe, where he goofed up, was when he didn't use one of his challenges to get rid of the dumbass.

Dear Juror: it's all about the violence and control, Stupid.

[phildo]

5. Bless you for protecting the children.

CPS has to be hardest duty I can think of in the world.

Thank you for your service.

[Maat]

8. And, thank you.

My sissie is still active.

The job just makes you paranoid - you realize that Life can go straight to H*ll in a flat second (with a wrong choice).

We adopted, and I wanted to spend more time with Her Royal Highness. I retired, and went back to law school, and wound up in real estate investment, and helping Hubby with the computer companies. I'm much happier. I think that people should only be in a public service job for so long; some do last 30 years or so, though.

I only recently allowed Beloved Daughter to go over to a friend's, with the parents there, and she's ten!

[phildo]

16. Yeah I hear you.

I did a couple years of abuse recovery volunteer work after wandering into Big Brothers. It is a weird, weird world out there.

Happy times helping folks, though. Sort of miss it, but like you say, you cannot live it. Got real human for the experience, so that is a blessing -- considering I started as an Uber Engineer and Army Officer (real jerk :) )

Cool part was I met Mrs. Phil in that -- she is a Social Worker type, too. Said she had to meet me because she had never seen a guy be so loving to the hurt kids and folks. Me. A (mostly) former jerk. Best comment I have gotten in my life.

We have three kids, now, too. And tend to be sort of freaky protective, too.

Some day we might do work in an outdoor camp for kids.

[Maat]

24. Boy, do I relate to what you are saying!

It would be great one day if you did organize a camp.

My sis and I talk about starting a non-profit, maybe to help kids in the System, one day, but I've got some things to take care of first, probably just like you and your wife.

You're probably like my hubby - seemed kind of gruff when I first met him - but he has a heart of gold. We've lasted three decades now.

Take care! It was great having a conversation. I meet such nice people here! The personal stories - well, I gain a great deal from reading them.

[phildo]

28. And yeah on take care of your own buisness, first part.

That is even Jesus stuff in that -- get the log out of your eye before helping your brother get the twig out of his.

Or I sort like the Airline Stewardess speech version: "Put on your own Oxygen mask first before helping your children."

Works on the National level, too. It is why I am a Fix America, First sort.


The camp stuff is called Wilderness Therapy. Sort of big in Oregon -- so that is pretty high on the list of where home should be. But there are camps in Vermont and Tennesee, too. One in East Texas (near here) closed a couple years ago. :(

Mrs. Phil did wilderness stuff as a mountain guide / counselor for kids while she was in undergrad school. I was/am fairly outdoorsy -- Army Combat Arms, and construction, so that all seems like a good mix.

You take care, too. See you again in this life time, or next.

[Maat]

32. Sounds wonderful. Take care (n/t)!

[MADem]

13. What a chapter in a life well lived! Bravo to you for doing that hard work!

[Ghost in the Machine]

6. hmmm... I wonder if I held a gun to this juror's temple, then made him

cut his own jugular vein... would it be murder.. or suicide?

Stupid people like this don't deserve to breathe the same air that I do.

[Rosemary2205]

7. I wonder

Does Texas law recognize a difference between molesting a child and full on rape of a child?

All I can figure is perhaps there are other criminals who got 7 or 10 years for full on rape and serious physical damage of a child and this juror thought giving the same sentence for oral sex that leaves no physical damage (emotional damage is a given) was not "fair".

[phildo]

10. For TMI, Texas Penal Code

No way the juror could have misunderstood this >>>

=========================

§ 21.11. INDECENCY WITH A CHILD. (a) A person commits an
offense if, with a child younger than 17 years and not the person's
spouse, whether the child is of the same or opposite sex, the
person:

(1) engages in sexual contact with the child or causes
the child to engage in sexual contact; or

(2) with intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire
of any person:

(A) exposes the person's anus or any part of the person's genitals, knowing the child is present; or

(B) causes the child to expose the child's anus or any part of the child's genitals.

(b) It is an affirmative defense to prosecution under this
section that the actor:

(1) was not more than three years older than the victim
and of the opposite sex;
(2) did not use duress, force, or a threat against the
victim at the time of the offense; and
(3) at the time of the offense:

(A) was not required under Chapter 62, Code of Criminal Procedure, to register for life as a sex offender; or

(B) was not a person who under Chapter 62 had a
reportable conviction or adjudication for an offense under this
section.

(c) In this section, "sexual contact" means the following
acts, if committed with the intent to arouse or gratify the sexual
desire of any person:

(1) any touching by a person, including touching through clothing, of the anus, breast, or any part of the genitals of a child; or
(2) any touching of any part of the body of a child, including touching through clothing, with the anus, breast, or any
part of the genitals of a person.

(d) An offense under Subsection (a)(1) is a felony of the
second degree and an offense under Subsection (a)(2) is a felony of
the third degree.

Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974.
Amended by Acts 1981, 67th Leg., p. 472, ch. 202, § 3, eff. Sept.
1, 1981; Acts 1987, 70th Leg., ch. 1028, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1987;
Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994; Acts
1999, 76th Leg., ch. 1415, § 23, eff. Sept. 1, 1999; Acts 2001,
77th Leg., ch. 739, § 2, eff. Sept. 1, 2001.

[aquart]

21. "and not the person's spouse..."

I'll just sit with that for a while.

[Warren DeMontague]

9. Hmm. I wonder how much time he would've gotten if he was growing pot for cancer patients.

Probably a lot more.

[beyurslf]

11. That would b life in prison. Don't you know that is terrorism.

[phildo]

17. Texas Prison has its own justice.

[Fierce]

15. How sad the girl had to testify.

What a complete and utter nightmare.

[Harry Monroe]

18. Oral sex is not sex??

I think I'll go out and get a hummer now and then use that excuse on my wife. She'll then begin channeling Lorena Bobbitt on my manhood. That excuse didn't fly when Clinton did it and it doesn't fly now. What the hell is wrong with this juror??

BTW, before I get "flamed" on this, I AM NOT advocating that I was for Clinton's impeachment!! His dalliance and failing was private and should have been between him, his family and his God.

[Disturbed]

20. Oral sex is not sex??

What is it then? Of course, in this case it was child abuse. However, in other cases, what is oral contact with genital organs considered to be? Bill Clinton was a jerk for saying "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." It was at that moment that I realized what a Con Artist he really was and still is.

[Cerridwen]

19. Anyone wanna take bets the sexless juror is having an affair?

I'd bet almost any amount of money that the juror who refused to define oral sex as sex (it's even in the damned name) is having an affair which hasn't yet resulted in whatever the hell she defines as sex but which includes oral and this is her mental masturbatory exercise in denial that she's actually committing adultery.

Bets? Odds?


edit; fixed broken tag

[nosmokes]

22. It's Close enough for rock~n~ roll and Government work I reckon. and me

edit because i can't type. or proofread.


for that matter...

[WinkyDink]

23. I'll bet that juror was a 20-something. This claim has been a teen-age boy's dream come true.

HE knows it's sex!

[Deja Q]

25. Define 'sex'.

Don't get me wrong, the juror is a cretin.

But any unclothed genitalia that touches any part of another person is sexual contact. Case closed.

[LostInAnomie]

26. In this case it's child abuse, but for consenting adults I don't consider it sex.

Sure it is sexual contact for the purpose of an orgasm, but it isn't the act of sex. I might be alone on this, but that's just how I feel.

[Katherine Brengle]

29. So, if a man forces a woman to perform oral sex, is it not rape?

Makes no sense.

[LostInAnomie]

30. Maybe you didn't read the part about consenting adults.

Of course it's rape (or more accurately sodomy). The woman is forced to perform a sexual act against her will, but I wouldn't consider it sex.

[Katherine Brengle]

33. I missed that --

so my apologies. I still have to disagree about it being sex though - if my husband did that with another woman, I would consider it sex lol.

[Katherine Brengle]

27. RAPE DOES NOT = SEX

Genitals coming into contact with another person's body, especially the body of a child, is sexual assault.

I hate the universe sometimes.

[WritersBlock]

34. He won't make it through those 10 years.

I believe the term is "short-eyes."