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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 11:36 AM Original message |
Here it is... Conditioning of the US to accept a 'draft' .... |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
1. If that happens, watch as millions of Americans say... |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 11:49 AM Response to Reply #1 |
8. Actually Bush is beyond the GOP and the GOP is already abandoning him... |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
47. Or like in the old days... |
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ananda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
2. Would a draft include everyone? |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #2 |
10. True, a draft would do that. But then again, its the one thing that |
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notadmblnd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
45. Oh, it wills send people into the streets alright |
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coco77 (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:56 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. I really think that you underestimate how the people will react... |
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notadmblnd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #52 |
73. how so? |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 06:06 PM Response to Reply #45 |
77. And you'll be able to get out with payments to your local draft board, |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
3. I have thought of studying law and becoming a draft attorney |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:06 PM Response to Reply #3 |
17. I'll contribute to your education fund for my 10 year old son's |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:54 PM Response to Reply #17 |
51. You might find this handy |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
25. Are you referring to possibly representing those who are fighting draft induction? |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:58 PM Response to Reply #25 |
53. Yes |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:06 PM Response to Reply #53 |
63. You are assuming that an appeals process will delay induction by merely filing the appeal... |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:00 PM Response to Reply #63 |
70. I will check, but... |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-18-07 01:49 PM Response to Reply #70 |
84. No Problem... Gonzo writes a 3 page DOJ opinion that wipes that out.... |
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northernsoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #3 |
33. please make sure you're very dedicated before pursing a JD |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:59 PM Response to Reply #33 |
55. Believe me, I understand |
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northernsoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:51 PM Response to Reply #55 |
69. good for you |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
4. Bring. It. On. |
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demgurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 11:50 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Didn't it take 7 or 8 years to withdraw after the draft.... |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Nope. That claim/stance ignores the inequity of the draft before 1971. |
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demgurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. Thanks, Tahiti...... |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:36 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Nope. People weren't PROHIBITED from leaving the country. |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:57 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Bush negotiated a new 'agreement' for Canada to return soldiers to the US... |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:04 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. The law treats deserters differently than draft evaders. |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:27 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. But prior to Bush this was not the policy in Canada, right? n/t |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:20 PM Response to Reply #40 |
66. While I'm aware of the rumored changes, I'm not at all familiar with changes to extradition teaties |
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demgurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 06:01 PM Response to Reply #36 |
75. What if you move up there before you become a draftee? |
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demgurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:08 PM Response to Reply #29 |
64. Thanks for the information, again. |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:02 PM Response to Reply #15 |
58. Four years after Fortunate Son Syndrome was eliminated, the draft was eliminated |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:27 PM Response to Reply #58 |
68. No, the draft was NOT "eliminated" ... it was deactivated because it wasn't NECESSARY. |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. Go ahead and spoil a perfectly good rant with your "logic" |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 04:12 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Yep. Kewl. |
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demgurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 06:05 PM Response to Reply #58 |
76. Thanks for setting the record straight. nt |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #9 |
22. True, however we were a different people then... |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:29 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Keep in mind all draft boards are fully manned and funded for immediate use... |
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Throwing Stones (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Absolutely |
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Akoto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
5. Conditioning? Hah. |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:09 PM Response to Reply #5 |
19. well, there ARE all those nice little detention camps that Halliburton's been building... |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
6. I welcome the draft! It's too easy to allow this war to go on when only |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:42 PM Response to Reply #6 |
30. As the mother of an 8 year old son, I'd say, NOT ME. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:18 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. I don't think we have a choice. Our military can't keep up with the challenges we face now, |
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demgurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 06:10 PM Response to Reply #30 |
79. I can't convince my hubby to go now.... |
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Mist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
7. The time to institute a draft would have been back when the war wasn't so |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 11:56 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. It's nothing that they want to do. They now what will happen. They |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Desperate is accurate ... however there won't be any sparing of civilians this time... |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
11. Think back to 9/11 and the mood of the country.... |
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BrotherBuzz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
14. The US has outsourced everything else, why not outsource the draft, too? |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #14 |
48. I'm waiting for the time when the start outsourcing US citizens. nt |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 07:13 PM Response to Reply #48 |
83. They can start with me. Outsource me to France! |
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Auggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 06:28 PM Response to Reply #14 |
80. I wouldn't be surprised. A U.S. soldiers salary would be a fortune in most other countries. |
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BrotherBuzz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 06:54 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. That, and a newly minted Green Card is pretty attractive to a lot of young souls |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
18. Non-citizens are already serving in 'our military' with the hope of citizenship on discharge... |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
20. We are unprepared to react to a terrorist attack with national guard deployed overseas... |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
21. The real nightmare scenario that has not been mentioned is .... |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
26. Will those who have already served their enlistment be subject to the draft? |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
27. Even the GOP isn't that dumb--they know bringing back draft would be political suicide |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:50 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. The mood of the country post 9/11 would change the present opposition poll numbers |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
28. Bring it ON! |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
31. The road to "terrorism:" |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
32. these criminals will not put forth a draft. |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 12:54 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. IF we are fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and at home .... |
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coco77 (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:00 PM Response to Reply #35 |
56. And a lot of Americans don't know this... |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:03 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. The Bush Admin refusal to even talk to Syria should have been an eyeopener....n/t |
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4_TN_TITANS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
38. Possible, but my bet is that their goal would be |
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notadmblnd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
41. I just completed my draftboard training this Saturday past. |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:33 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Good to know a DUer is on a local draft board .... |
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notadmblnd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:43 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. One thing they did tell us is that their budget has been cut to bare bones |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
42. Reinstituting a Draft would likely be by degrees ... special skills individuals first... |
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coco77 (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
43. They have been beating around the bush for years now... |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:35 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. They haven't been redeploying all those injured and PTSD soldiers b/c they have plenty of troops.. |
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coco77 (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:54 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Exactly! but these pundits say it in so many words... |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:02 PM Response to Reply #50 |
57. Sen Lugar said if we wait til Sept there will be no more troops to send... |
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tiptoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
54. How Neocons "negotiate" w Congress: "Alcibiadize" the troops, to make an argument it can't refuse. |
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coco77 (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:03 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. I have been saying this all along... |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
59. There Won't Ever Be A Draft |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:10 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. You might think twice before using the words "Won't Ever Be A Draft"... |
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tiptoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:25 PM Response to Reply #59 |
67. So? Ya don't think Rove,Cheney, *,Norquist "drool" for marital law opportunity to cancel elections? |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
62. No draft until Bush is jailed for the war crimes he's committed. n/t |
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speakclearly (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
72. Conyers and Rangel support reinitiatement of the draft /NT |
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ikojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
78. I welcome a draft with FEW if any exemptions |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
82. Nope, not gonna do it... |
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