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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:32 PM Original message |
16 year old British girl loses fight to wear chastity-inspired "silver ring thing" |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
1. That's right. Nip that crazy US fundie shit in the bud. Bravo UK. |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. I'll second that! |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:16 PM Response to Reply #9 |
86. Applauding a church state? I'm proud of you, dick. |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 04:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
96. Um, why deny her religious freedom? |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 04:33 PM Response to Reply #96 |
102. No one is denying her any "religious freedom". |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 05:37 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. Right, I got that now (about the jewelry thing) but the post I responded to |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 10:11 PM Response to Reply #105 |
111. It's because the radical Fundies were trying to frame the issue that way. |
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ananda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
2. What does it matter.. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. didn't you read above? If they allow it, the next step |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Evidently the school's dress code precludes the wearing of jewelry nt |
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meegbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. The school she goes to bans jewelry ... |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:41 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. But she NEEDS it, you know, in case she gets horny. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:43 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Can't she wear it outside of school? If it's only about in-school time, that begs the question |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:44 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. "Fun school, I guess." ROFL!!!! |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:48 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. Did they rule out "I Heart My Hymen" t-shirts?? |
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Sequoia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:50 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. You're too much!!! |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:50 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. ... |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:31 PM Response to Reply #22 |
60. rofl |
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Gelliebeans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 05:41 PM Response to Reply #22 |
106. Nominate for a DUzy |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 06:21 PM Response to Reply #13 |
107. A fun all-girls school, what's more |
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meegbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
29. Damn! I need one of those! |
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AwakeAtLast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
91. Wouldn't that be like a label of who's a virgin? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-18-07 09:40 AM Response to Reply #7 |
121. Exactly, the way she said she needs it for reminder makes me think |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:53 PM Response to Reply #6 |
34. That reminds me of the people with Bible software who call tech support |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-18-07 09:39 AM Response to Reply #6 |
120. Yet they do allow crucifixes, so in fact it's the opposite |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:42 PM Original message |
They have a rule against jewelry....period...n/t |
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Lone_Star_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
16. No jewelery of any kind is allowed in the Millais School in Horsham, West Sussex |
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Dukkha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
3. "will be allowed to stop Christians from publicly expressing and practicing their faith" |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
63. just like it states in matthew 6:6.. |
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liberalsoldier5 (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
8. That ruling is pure bullshit. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:42 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. "anti-Christian DUers" - yes, we know, you are so persecuted. |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 10:17 PM Response to Reply #10 |
112. Poor, poor Christians! |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:43 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. Get Over Yourself |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:05 PM Response to Reply #14 |
43. Not to start an argument, but the poster didn't say (s)he didn't like DU |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:08 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Is this an anti-Christian thread to you? |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #43 |
58. Crock of Crap |
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liberalsoldier5 (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:31 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. See post #52. |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:49 PM Response to Reply #59 |
68. Deleted because I was the one with Reading Comprehension Problems |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:44 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. Why is that? Can you explain your opinion to us? |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:54 PM Response to Reply #17 |
37. It was a hit and run Dick. |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:46 PM Response to Reply #37 |
66. Actually, this one came back! And I'm glad he did. See #52 below. nm |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:45 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. I don't get how it's "Christian," myself. |
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Lone_Star_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
19. Yes, the girl should have been given special privileges above the other students |
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CJCRANE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:47 PM Response to Reply #8 |
20. But a ring isn't a religious symbol in Christianity. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:50 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. Religions have numerous symbols |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #28 |
40. Pfft. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:57 PM Response to Reply #40 |
71. Devastating comeback. |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:10 PM Response to Reply #71 |
83. Nonsense needs no rebuttal, merely attention. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. I know, that's why I called you on that lame comeback :-) |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:06 PM Response to Reply #28 |
45. Is she violating a tenet of her faith by not wearing a ring at school? |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:59 PM Response to Reply #45 |
73. No, but the school didn't take that tack |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Do you suggest any limit on what a student can get an exemption to wear if |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:19 PM Response to Reply #75 |
87. Of course, but that's not what this tangent is about |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. But if it makes exceptions for religious jewelry, don't they have to decide |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:33 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. They already have |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:14 PM Response to Reply #28 |
51. Although the Circle may be present in many, many religions, |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:56 PM Response to Reply #51 |
70. Not true. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:03 PM Response to Reply #70 |
76. Guess what? It's not. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:11 PM Response to Reply #76 |
84. Changing the lines now? |
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Blashyrkh (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 10:32 PM Response to Reply #28 |
114. I'd like to drag a dead cat around...it's a religious symbol. |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:52 PM Response to Reply #20 |
33. They do NOT allow jewelry...n/t |
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liberalsoldier5 (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:08 PM Response to Reply #20 |
48. self-delete |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:06 PM Response to Reply #20 |
78. yes they can wear a cross/crucifix. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-18-07 09:44 AM Response to Reply #20 |
122. It's jewelry that's not allowed |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:48 PM Response to Reply #8 |
23. What are the specific and relevant reasons... |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:54 PM Response to Reply #8 |
36. Welcome to DU. |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #8 |
39. No Jewelery. Get it? That means...wait for it....NO FUCKING JEWELERY! |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 10:21 PM Response to Reply #39 |
113. And NO NON-FUCKING JEWELRY either! |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:05 PM Response to Reply #8 |
44. When did wearing a silver ring become a Christian standard? |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:07 PM Response to Reply #8 |
46. What is it about "no jewelry" that you don't get?? |
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liberalsoldier5 (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. To posts #10, 14, 17, 37, 18, 19, 20, 33, 45, 23, 39, 44, & 46: |
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poverlay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:22 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. I withdraw my mocking(below) if you withdraw your rant. n/t |
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CJCRANE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:25 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Cool. |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:44 PM Response to Reply #52 |
65. Thanks for the explanation! nm |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:49 PM Response to Reply #52 |
69. Good deal. nt |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:10 PM Response to Reply #8 |
50. That ring won't protect that kid from pregnancy or STDs |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #8 |
53. If a teenager needs a ring to remind her that she committed to chastity, she really |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #53 |
74. If She NEEDS The Ring At All, She Isn't The Least Bit Committed |
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poverlay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:19 PM Response to Reply #8 |
54. Oh, WAAAA, you're so persecuted... |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:57 PM Response to Reply #8 |
72. Duh! |
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Feron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #8 |
92. Ordinarily I would agree ,but... |
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Blashyrkh (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 10:42 PM Response to Reply #92 |
116. Is it because women are more likely to pay a ridiculous amount of money for a ring? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 04:56 PM Response to Reply #8 |
103. Edit. Delete. nt |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
11. don't think students should be allowed to openly advertise sexual preferences in school, lol |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:50 PM Response to Reply #11 |
26. "don't think students should be allowed to openly advertise sexual preferences in school" |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
12. Good. Gang symbols should be forbidden in schools. |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
21. RIght Wing Lies |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:49 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. I could have had a ring on every finger at that age |
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poverlay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:26 PM Response to Reply #25 |
57. All those rings my wife used to wear when I met her made me hot. I just loved that goth stuff. |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
24. k&r to Bluebear, the cutest little animal-shaped button on the planet...n/t |
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TlalocW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
31. Well, I hope her school and the courts will be happy |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:53 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. 'She would felt it every time she sat down, etc.' |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:00 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. I personally imagined it elsewhere from her pocket |
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TlalocW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:03 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. I knew that would get a comment... |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:06 PM Response to Reply #31 |
79. "She would felt it every time she sat down, etc." |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
32. Good!! Don't bring that fundie shit to the UK.... |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:07 PM Response to Reply #32 |
80. Looked at HM's title lately? |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 04:12 PM Response to Reply #80 |
97. Umm...no it didn't... |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
38. "my precious", says Gollum. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
49. She might as well go out and get laid now. |
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poverlay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:37 PM Response to Reply #49 |
64. I know. Without her ring, her vagina is just powerless to fend off all those seeking, well, you |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
61. i believe the school will allow some limited religious jewelry -- i.e. a cross or star of david. |
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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 04:18 PM Response to Reply #61 |
100. That's just freakin' gross. |
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WritingIsMyReligion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
62. If you're so brain-dead to need a reminder to be chaste, |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
67. The poor child's going to become a slut now |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:04 PM Response to Reply #67 |
77. "The poor child's going to become a slut now" |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:08 PM Response to Reply #67 |
81. LOLOLOL!!!!! |
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deepthought42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
82. Oops, I'm not wearing one... |
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AwakeAtLast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #82 |
93. I seem to have lost mine, too |
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deepthought42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-18-07 09:24 AM Response to Reply #93 |
117. You thinkin' what I'm thinkin'? |
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Oeditpus Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
90. Six months from now: 'Girl sues school over her pregnancy' |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
94. My stupid work place is just as discriminatory. They won't let me wear my silver cock ring |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
95. I don't understand why they wouldn't let her wear it. |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 04:13 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. No jewelery allowed in school. Period. |
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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 04:15 PM Response to Reply #95 |
99. IIRC, the school has a "no jewelry" rule. |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
101. So wear a chastity belt under your clothes. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
104. Okay, I think the School's "No Jewelry Rule" pretty much settles it. That said, notice how there are |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 06:36 PM Response to Reply #104 |
108. True; but it's an all-girls school, and they're wearing school uniform |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 06:45 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. I wish I could find the pictures, now. I remember from one of these abstinence rallies |
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mikotondria (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
110. higher power ! |
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opiate69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
115. But she gets to keep Mr Pillowpants in right? |
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deepthought42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-18-07 09:29 AM Response to Reply #115 |
118. ... |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-18-07 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
119. I wonder how the girls' family would feel |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-18-07 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
123. "Chastity is it's own punishment" Bumper sticker I saw. |
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