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Raven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:34 PM Original message |
I'm beginning to have some real misgivings about a full withdrawal |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
1. I think anybody who's in favor of a slow/partial withdrawal... |
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Disturbed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:40 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Any Draw Down will take many months. |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #7 |
34. now that is not true |
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DangerDave921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. Worry |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:44 PM Original message |
Right now somebody worse than Saddam is in power. |
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DangerDave921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
36. I do care |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 05:23 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. I also said anybody who's not in favor of immediate withdrawal... |
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DangerDave921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-18-07 06:44 AM Response to Reply #41 |
58. What are you talking about? |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:58 PM Response to Reply #12 |
30. There are no good options, as they say. We have to pick the least-bad |
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T Wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
21. Exactly! Support the war or not. Simple as that. nt |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 05:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
48. How about you address what Raven actually said? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 05:45 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. I'm pretty sure I did. |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
2. and the alternative is?... |
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Raven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. There is none that I can see but I wish there was a way that |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:42 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. What we have done in Iraq is so very terrible, that as horrendous as the short-term future |
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PSPS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
3. There's no way to "avoid the awful result" because it's already here. |
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BOSSHOG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
4. Isn't it incredibly sad |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
5. There won't be a full withdrawal under Levin-Reed-- |
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Raven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Has the UN agreed to do it? nt |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:45 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. I don't know--I imagine it would be put as a request to them. |
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MrMickeysMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:45 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. With the right leadership (and pending indictments against crime family)... |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 04:01 PM Response to Reply #9 |
31. The UN isn't going to get involved in our occupation. The only way to get |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. How do you know what the UN will agree to? |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 05:40 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. I watched the lead up to the invasion. Do you think Russia or China wants to |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 05:43 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Don't know, until we ask them! I think the UN would help us--even though |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
8. You bring up a really good point |
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The_Casual_Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
10. It's about time the Iraqis took responsibility for their own security |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
13. Obviously, full withdrawal will have to include asylum |
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displacedtexan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
14. Were you around to watch the withdrawal from Vietnam? |
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Raven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:49 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. I was around then and I never thought that I would say now that |
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DangerDave921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 04:36 PM Response to Reply #14 |
37. Vietnam Withdrawal |
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pschoeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 06:35 PM Response to Reply #37 |
56. The Khmer Rouge were not in Vietnam, but Cambodia |
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DangerDave921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-18-07 06:48 AM Response to Reply #56 |
59. I hear ya |
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Jillian (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
15. Raven - if you feel that way, you are not alone |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
18. I think we have people like General Wesley Clark to help tell the truth. |
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Raven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. You raise an interesting possibility...including in any withdrawal |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
20. Unfortunately, Any Scenario Is Horrible |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
23. Its too late |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
24. Have you read HR1234 It''s the best plan I've seen detailing how we can exit and still |
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Raven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:57 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. I have, but we still have to rely on this President to implement. nt |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 04:02 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Yet another good argument for impeachment.! |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 05:17 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. 67. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 05:41 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. Tell me, what's with the 67? |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-18-07 06:51 AM Response to Reply #45 |
60. Umm... |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-18-07 09:11 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. What Senator is going to come out for conviction before an indictment is even handed |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-18-07 05:33 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. But it still won't be enough to remove the SOBs from office... |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 09:23 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Not impeaching won't remove them either. But it's still a win win situation to impeach. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
25. there is no happy ending to this- |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
26. We opened Pandora's box and now there is no way to close it. |
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baldingrockwarlord2 (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
28. I think we need to TOTALLY get out NOW! Period! |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
29. There's no good way out - so take ANY way out. |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
35. It will be bad if we leave, worse if we stay. |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 04:52 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. da Dada Dada Da da Duh |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 05:40 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. Exactly. We've "Rocked the Casbah" enough to piss off the entire region.... |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 05:56 PM Response to Reply #43 |
53. The question is "should we stay or should we go?" |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
40. You are correct. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
42. The army knows how to retreat, Raven, if Bush doesn't. |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 09:29 AM Response to Reply #42 |
71. The army says it will take them two years to retreat safely...n/t |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
46. Nobody knows what will happen there |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
49. Well I'm pretty sure that there is no Iraq |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
51. Ya been had |
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Raven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 05:59 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Sweetie, I've been around too long and seen too much to be |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 06:54 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Nope, ya been snookered |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
52. Thanks for posting this. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-17-07 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
55. worst case is way less awful than a typical month there now |
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welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-18-07 07:14 AM Response to Original message |
61. the US has not and will not make progress in Iraq |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-18-07 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
63. What are you worried about. Halliburton and it's private army will stay on and they're getting paid |
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Raven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-18-07 09:16 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Yeah, somehow it just dawned on me that they might stay. |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-18-07 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
64. Our troops are fully trained in redeployment. They'll be just fine, and in no more danger... |
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roamer65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-18-07 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
67. Just like the Vietnamese resolved their problems internally... |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 09:25 AM Response to Original message |
69. I'm sorry to say you're not wrong.. |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-19-07 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
70. Bush would do a shitty job on purpose, though it would be relatively easy to do it right-- |
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