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mudesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:22 PM Original message |
Why is the Iraq war NOT illegal? |
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Kelly Rupert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
1. This is obviously not the place to ask n/t |
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Brigid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:27 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Good point. |
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LakeSamish706 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
2. I think that you had it in your opening line... It is illegal, but no one... |
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againes654 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
3. Good question |
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Kelly Rupert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:25 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. The word is spelled "indict." n/t |
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againes654 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:42 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. LOL |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
6. It is legal by the thinnest of threads |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. I don't think so |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:51 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. It was UN resolution 1441 |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. 1441 |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:06 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. nov 8 2002 |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:08 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. lets look for a chronology |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:44 PM Response to Reply #35 |
63. But does it support an invasion |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
33. Not even close. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:16 PM Response to Reply #6 |
45. The UN never sanctioned the invasion. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
7. it certainly IS illegal |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:34 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. When you make a claim such as yours |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:58 PM Response to Reply #10 |
25. Kofi Annan, secretary general of the U.N., declared it 'Illegal'. Granted |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
36. That an "international body" has not declared it so does not make it legal. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 05:05 PM Response to Reply #10 |
70. there is a shitload of evidence |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:37 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. What bodies have declared it ilegal? |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:02 PM Response to Reply #13 |
27. What bodies could declare it illegal? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:04 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. The UN Security council, fat chance, we have veto power in |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:10 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. Yes but the ICJ deals with disputes submitted by states or questions from UN |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:20 PM Response to Reply #39 |
49. In your opinion, and I respect your opinion |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:26 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. Only nation states or the UN has standing in ICJ |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:29 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Ok, so let me explain this slowly for you |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:36 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. No need to slow down |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:09 PM Response to Reply #13 |
37. That an "international body" has not declared it so does not make it legal. |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:19 PM Response to Reply #37 |
47. amen |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 03:20 PM Response to Reply #13 |
65. The Joint Resolution itself makes the invasion illegal |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
8. I understand it as being out of focus. Smeared around. |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
9. It is Illegal |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:35 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. links please n/t |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:44 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. okay |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:46 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Ok, Kofi Annan stated HIS OPINION |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
26. I didn't state that any authoritative international body has declared it illegal |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:06 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. The war can be declared ilegal using standards |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:13 PM Response to Reply #30 |
42. Utter and complete bullshit. |
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mudesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 02:49 PM Response to Reply #42 |
64. Not to mention who Kofi Annan is... |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:14 PM Response to Reply #30 |
43. I didn't suggest there was any FORCE of law behind legal opinion that war is illegal |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:11 PM Response to Reply #17 |
41. That is absolute nonsense. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:19 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. Ok, let me tell you something I learned by |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:24 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Who said there would be any indictment or that anything would come of illegality of war? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:28 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Look you need to believe that your opinions |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:40 PM Response to Reply #54 |
61. My opinion is not hearsay, as I know it firsthand |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:09 PM Response to Reply #11 |
38. Wow, so cali you are asking for links that the war is illegal? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:30 PM Response to Reply #38 |
56. Yes I believe it should be adjudicated as illegal |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
12. It is illegal by previous American standards and by current |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:42 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. This is opionion, and one I happen to share |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. I know you share this opinion |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:54 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. UN Resolution 1441 |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:06 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. I thought we were still required to go back to the UN |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:16 PM Response to Reply #32 |
46. Look at the time line |
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Poiuyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
20. Kofi Annan said that Bush's war was illegal in 2004 |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. That was HIS opinion |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:03 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. There is no resolution, but nonetheless Annan was correct |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:07 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Once again |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:15 PM Response to Reply #34 |
44. Who here is talking about FORCE OF LAW other than you |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. Sorry if I was trained in LEGAL terms |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:34 PM Response to Reply #50 |
59. No need to apologize |
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tuckessee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
40. Call me old-fashioned or silly... |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
51. Technically speaking, none of those are requirements for a "legal" war. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:31 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Now that is a good case and should be part of the IMPEACHMENT |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
58. Cause the buSHITS and the |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
62. Nor was it ever declared. |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
66. Its not a war. Its a brutal occupation |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
67. It is illegal. |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
68. It is. |
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Disturbed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 04:21 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. The invasion of Iraq was Illegal, as is the US Occupation. |
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